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110 americans murdered every day by highway criminals like speeders and drunk drivers. It exceeds the gun problem and alsolutely dwarfs the terrorism problem but the idiot americans in viagra nation don't care. > 110 americans murdered every day by highway criminals like speeders > and drunk drivers. It exceeds the gun problem and alsolutely dwarfs the > terrorism problem but the idiot americans in viagra nation don't care. Right you are. It FAR exceeds the murders by firearm, but when you point this out to a gungrabber, they say something of form: "But cars are NECESSARY" as if a death by something necessary is somehow different. Then they go on to advocate firearm registration and owner licensing (as if all those deaths were not done by registered cars and licensed drivers). I've said it before, legislation to forever treat firearms EXACTLY as motor vehicles are treated today on a federal level (or in all states), 2nd amendment issues aside, would likely gain the support of most every firearms owner.  Signaturejimbo@sonic.net >> 110 americans murdered every day by highway criminals like speeders >> and drunk drivers. It exceeds the gun problem and alsolutely dwarfs the [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > 2nd amendment issues aside, would likely gain the support of most every > firearms owner. So you want ownership to be an effective privilege granted by government to be taken away at its whim? After all, one can lose his driver's license for all sorts of reasons that have nothing to do with driving. Most recently is NH proposing loss of one's DL for getting lost while hiking. And then, driving wise there are adminstrative courts. The 'judge' is often a cop or some other government employee who sides with his employer. All sorts of silly laws have been enacted using the administrative courts that violate due process and property rights. Just think, some neighbor hears you having an argument with someone and the next thing you know your guns are taken and you have to sue the government to get them back. Get what you wish for and private gun ownership will become nearly impossible to retain. The government needs people to drive to collect ever increasing amounts of revenue. Government will take more control but won't quite kill the golden goose. Government would prefer people not have guns and has no reason not use the same power it has gained over drivers to quash gun ownership for ordinary people. >>> 110 americans murdered every day by highway criminals like speeders >>> and drunk drivers. It exceeds the gun problem and alsolutely dwarfs the [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > So you want ownership to be an effective privilege granted by government > to be taken away at its whim? No. Not at all. I said most firearms owners would support such a thing, not that I would. Plus there's the 2nd amendment thing that'd kill any chance of such legislation passing. Of course, your args relating to gov't removal of the right on a whim are valid. What I was referring to is: 1. No registration, testing, licensing, or background check of a person is necessary in order to purchase or possess a motor vehicle. 2. There is no waiting period necessary before taking possession of a motor vehicle. 3. There are no residency requirements incidental to purchase or ownership of a motor vehicle. Anyone from any state (or country) can buy or own as many as they want. 4. Neither are there any age or criminal record requirements to be met before purchase or possession of any motor vehicle. One is an ex-felon? No problem. Or 12 years old? Again, no problem. 5. There are no restrictions on how many motor vehicles one may buy in any given time period, nor is there any requirement for the dealer to report multiple motor vehicle sales. 6. There are no restrictions on the power, motor size, transmission type, or braking system on a motor vehicle one may purchase or possess. 7. There are no serious, concerted efforts to render motor vehicles so cumbersome as to make their use impractical by requiring they be safely disabled such that they cannot be stolen or misused (or used at all). 8. A driving license and vehicle registration issued in one state is valid nationwide. 9. There are no restrictions on transfer of a motor vehicle by will or as a gift, or a temporary transfer (such as a loan or rental). 10. There is nothing preemptive about any of the laws relating to use or possession of a motor vehicle. You can own and do anything you want with one until (and unless) you are pulled over. Only then (if you've broken a law) will a penalty be assessed against you. 11. Generally speaking, unless a motor vehicle is used on a public highway, there is no requirement for owner licensing or vehicle registration. Signaturejimbo@sonic.net [added rec.autos.driving back to the list since that's the group I read] > 4. Neither are there any age or criminal record requirements to be > met before purchase or possession of any motor vehicle. One is an ex-felon? > No problem. Or 12 years old? Again, no problem. Hmm, unless the 12 year old has enough cash on hand to purchase the vehicle outright, he or she would have to enter a binding contract (either leasing or financing the vehicle). AFAIK, a 12 year old cannot do that. > [added rec.autos.driving back to the list since that's the group I read] >> 4. Neither are there any age or criminal record requirements to [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > (either leasing or financing the vehicle). AFAIK, a 12 year old cannot > do that. Sure. The 12 year old cannot legally enter into a binding contract. BUT given the cash, there is no law against them buying any motor vehicle. Remember, not all motor vehicle sales involve expensive, new, or registered machines. Signaturejimbo@sonic.net >[added rec.autos.driving back to the list since that's the group I read] > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >(either leasing or financing the vehicle). AFAIK, a 12 year old cannot >do that. Hey, he's the lookout for the local branch of the Crips, he's got the cash. SignatureThere's no such thing as a free lunch, but certain accounting practices can result in a fully-depreciated one. > [added rec.autos.driving back to the list since that's the group I read] > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > vehicle outright, he or she would have to enter a binding contract (either > leasing or financing the vehicle). AFAIK, a 12 year old cannot do that. Lots of 12-year olds have enough cash to buy a used car 1-10 are all because the government profits from motor vehicle use. > 11. Generally speaking, unless a motor vehicle is used on a public > highway, there is no requirement for owner licensing or vehicle registration. Of course this doesn't stop government from ticketing vehicles that aren't used on a public road for not having registration IME. Again, its that profit thing. Government has no motive to preserve firearms ownership. >1-10 are all because the government profits from motor vehicle use. > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >Government has no motive to preserve firearms ownership. And every motive to do away with private firearms ownership. C orny A lmanac of L eftcoast R oads O btuse & G rainy > I've said it before, legislation to forever treat firearms > EXACTLY > as motor vehicles are treated today on a federal level (or in all > states), 2nd amendment issues aside, would likely gain the support of > most every firearms owner. So you want to take away driving rights of everyone with a felony conviction or a misdemeanor domestic abuse conviction or a dishonorable discharge from the military? > > I've said it before, legislation to forever treat firearms > > EXACTLY [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > conviction or a misdemeanor domestic abuse conviction or a dishonorable > discharge from the military? And anyone who is on anti-depressants, and has been involved with domestic violence, as well as all those with a court case pending... Also, force all those who have vehicles, to only be insured if the vehicle is in a safe, with an ignition lock (kids might joyride), and failure to comply means you can never own a vehicle again. >> > I've said it before, legislation to forever treat firearms >> > EXACTLY [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > an ignition lock (kids might joyride), and failure to comply means you can > never own a vehicle again. Arghh! Another ignorant bozo who can't read! Where do you guys come from? Signaturejimbo@sonic.net >Jim Bianchi <jimbo@sonic.net> wrote in >>news:slrnfs8pnt.4rn.jimbo@bolt.sonic.net: [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > conviction or a misdemeanor domestic abuse conviction or a dishonorable > discharge from the military? Geeze. Can ANY of you bozo's READ? I said, "..forever treat *firearms* EXACTLY as *motor vehicles* are treated today," NOT the other way around. Signaturejimbo@sonic.net > On Wed, 27 Feb 2008 06:18:24 -0000, Speeders & Drunk Drivers are > MURDERERS [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > *firearms* EXACTLY as *motor vehicles* are treated today," NOT the > other way around. Well - whaddyaknow. The litlle monkey is right and i was wrong. Everyone mark this day on your calendar. > Well - whaddyaknow. The litlle monkey is right and i was wrong. Everyone > mark this day on your calendar. Again? Pity that there are only 365 days to mark you as wrong in any normal calendar year. Oh wait... this is a leap year, so make that 366 days. SFB spewed: >> On Wed, 27 Feb 2008 06:18:24 -0000, Speeders & Drunk Drivers are >> MURDERERS [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >Well - whaddyaknow. The litlle monkey is right and i was wrong. Everyone >mark this day on your calendar. Mark what? You are wrong everyday of the year. That would be a hell of a lot of marks on the calendar - to the point that it becomes meaningless. Or are you referring to your admitting what the rest of us already knew. And since you are finally admitting a smidgen of TRVTH, why don't you answer the question that the Blessed Imam has been asking: Have you ever driven a car faster then the posted speed limit? Speeders & Drunk Drivers Are MURDERERS (a.k.a. SFB) admits to being a deadly speeder, psychopath and criminal coddler: "> Have you ever driven a car faster than the legal speed limit? Yes, but never deliberately. In fact i got a speeding ticket about 5 years ago for doing 41 in a 25. I just about kicked the cops teeth in cause i was sure he was lying. No way the SL on this wide open stretch could be 25, i thought." Pride of America (c.k.a. Laura Bush murdered her boyfriend/ laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE/Speeders And Drunk Drivers Are Murderers (SADDAM)), 10/3/2002 Message-ID: <3c1753f7.0210030916.7b6f5dff@posting.google.com> http://tinyurl.com/5u4wg Proof that POA is LBMHB/lbVH/SADDAM: See the following: http://tinyurl.com/ahphj >> On Wed, 27 Feb 2008 06:18:24 -0000, Speeders & Drunk Drivers are >> MURDERERS [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > Well - whaddyaknow. The litlle monkey is right and i was wrong. Everyone > mark this day on your calendar. Heh. Well sometimes you're the windshield, sometimes you're the bug. By the way, I'm generally in agreement with your views re: drunken drivers. Signaturejimbo@sonic.net Linux: gawk, date, finger, wait, unzip, touch, nice, suck, strip, mount, fsck, umount, make clean, sleep. (Who needs porn when you have /usr/bin?) The vile and infidel swine and swine sodomizer, "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS" <xeton2001@yahoo.com> left this insult to Allah (Praises be unto His Name) and all who are Righetous and Holy in rec.autos.driving: >110 americans murdered every day by highway criminals like speeders and >drunk drivers. It exceeds the gun problem and alsolutely dwarfs the >terrorism problem but the idiot americans in viagra nation don't care. America, love it or leave it, infidel swine. I suggest you relocate to Saudi Arabia. They know how to handle subversives like yourself. OBTW, have you ever driven a car faster then the posted speed limit? Also, how many people have you killed today, you butcher of the boulevard? Your continued evasion of these issues has been duly noted and recorded and Allah (Praises be unto His Name) has your punishment awaiting for you. Imam Widdershins LLB is a Deadly Sin > The vile and infidel swine and swine sodomizer, "Speeders & Drunk > Drivers are MURDERERS" <xeton2001@yahoo.com> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > America, love it or leave it, infidel swine. I suggest you relocate to > Saudi Arabia. They know how to handle subversives like yourself. HAHAHAHA. Oh - now there is a brilliant argument. SFB evaded the issue while spewing this: >> The vile and infidel swine and swine sodomizer, "Speeders & Drunk >> Drivers are MURDERERS" <xeton2001@yahoo.com> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >HAHAHAHA. Oh - now there is a brilliant argument. Your evasion of the issues raised by the Blessed Imam are duly noted. Speeders & Drunk Drivers Are MURDERERS (a.k.a. SFB) admits to being a deadly speeder, psychopath and criminal coddler: "> Have you ever driven a car faster than the legal speed limit? Yes, but never deliberately. In fact i got a speeding ticket about 5 years ago for doing 41 in a 25. I just about kicked the cops teeth in cause i was sure he was lying. No way the SL on this wide open stretch could be 25, i thought." Pride of America (c.k.a. Laura Bush murdered her boyfriend/ laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE/Speeders And Drunk Drivers Are Murderers (SADDAM)), 10/3/2002 Message-ID: <3c1753f7.0210030916.7b6f5dff@posting.google.com> http://tinyurl.com/5u4wg Proof that POA is LBMHB/lbVH/SADDAM: See the following: http://tinyurl.com/ahphj > 110 americans murdered every day by highway criminals like speeders > and > drunk drivers. It exceeds the gun problem and alsolutely dwarfs the > terrorism problem but the idiot americans in viagra nation don't > care. You need to put this number in perspective... In 2005 2,448,017 Americans died from all causes (6,707 per day). If you just want to focus on accidental deaths - 4.8% of the people that died in 2005 died from accidental causes (including motor vehicle accidents). In 2005, 43,667 people died from motor vehicle accidents (120 a day - 37.1% of accidental deaths, less than 2% of all deaths). 23,618 died from poisoning, 19,656 from falls, etc. Clearly, if you are trying to prevent people from dying, motor vehicle accidents is not where your focus should be. Heart disease, cancer, strokes, and respiratory problems were far larger causes of death than accidents (and motor vehicle accidents were responsible for only around a third of all accidental deaths). If you are only worried about young adults, motor vehicle accidents are a major cause of death, but then so are firearms (either by suicide of homicide). In fact if you are between 15 and 34 you are about as likely to die from a firearm as from a motor vehicle accident. So, depending on the age group you are looking at, it is not correct to say motor vehicle accidents exceed the gun problem. And what percentage of motor vehicle accidents are actually caused by speeders and drunk drivers? The statistics I see say alcohol is a factor in around 39 percent of traffic fatalities. Of course alcohol might not actually be the cause since even if you did nothing wrong, if the officer detects alcohol on your breath, the accident will be listed as alcohol related. I would guess that for probably half of the crashes that are listed as alcohol related, alcohol was not an actual cause. Speeding is a factor in far fewer accidents - statistics are sketchy, but it appears that speeding is listed as a factor in fewer than 20% of accidents. And since alcohol and speeding are both listed in many cases, speeding alone is probably a factor in less than 10% of accidents. However, to be generous lets assume that alcohol and/or speeding are the primary cause of 30% of motor vehicle accidents. This means that you could blame speeders and drunk drivers for maybe 36 deaths a day. In 2005 30,050 died as a result of firearms (all causes - accidental, suicide, homicide). This is 82 a day. This is far worse than you could blame on speeders and/or drunk drivers. And it is certainly not insignificant compared to all motor vehicle deaths (82 is significant compared to 120). And this brings up one more sore subject with me - over spending on automotive safety devices. I would estimate that the American public is being forced to spend somewhere between 7 and 20 Billion dollars per year on marginally useful "safety devices" (ABS, Air Bags, ESC, bumpers, etc). This is far greater than the amount being spent on cancer research or heart research. You tell me which might be more important to my long term happiness... Regards, Ed > > 110 americans murdered every day by highway criminals like speeders > > and [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > (and motor vehicle accidents were responsible for only around a third > of all accidental deaths) The liberals are trying to do just that. Mandated Health care... If you can afford it or not, you must pay or go to jail.... > If you are only worried about young adults, motor vehicle accidents > are a major cause of death, but then so are firearms (either by > suicide of homicide). In fact if you are between 15 and 34 you are > about as likely to die from a firearm as from a motor vehicle > accident. So, depending on the age group you are looking at, it is not > correct to say motor vehicle accidents exceed the gun problem. Break that out futher... if you are young and black and mail you are about as likely to die from a gun as a vehicle accident.... 40,000+ people die each year from vehicle accidents... how many die from gun accidents? How many die from someone intentionally killing someone with a gun?? Big difference. >And > what percentage of motor vehicle accidents are actually caused by [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > if the officer detects alcohol on your breath, the accident will be > listed as alcohol related. If you did nothing wrong there wouldn't have been an accident.... >I would guess that for probably half of the > crashes that are listed as alcohol related, alcohol was not an actual [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > certainly not insignificant compared to all motor vehicle deaths (82 > is significant compared to 120). Apples and oranges.... Accidental deaths from vehicles <> Pre meditated homocides which are included in your death by gun figure.... > And this brings up one more sore subject with me - over spending on > automotive safety devices. I would estimate that the American public [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > cancer research or heart research. You tell me which might be more > important to my long term happiness... Self protection IF you need it.... Thats why I carry my pistol...Self protection IF I need it... On Feb 27, 10:30 am, "C. E. White" <cewhi...@removemindspring.com> wrote: > And this brings up one more sore subject with me - over spending on > automotive safety devices. I would estimate that the American public > is being forced to spend somewhere between 7 and 20 Billion dollars > per year on marginally useful "safety devices" (ABS, Air Bags, ESC, > bumpers, etc). I've been complaining about that for years. Most safety devices are just a way for the automakers to charge more for their cars. The hypocrites make cars that do 120 mph and then add $800 safety features!! |
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