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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / Driving / March 2008Video: LLBs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HinFDFDkdG4  SignaturePlease don't give financial rewards to trolls - DO NOT CLICK on any URLs containing "calrog.com" Scott in SoCal: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HinFDFDkdG4 You're way too nice to those LLBs, Scott. You should have been buzzing them like I am want to do. -- V ery I rritating A ddition T o O nline L andtravel O pinon G roups I ncluding S ome T rolling >Scott in SoCal: >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HinFDFDkdG4 > >You're way too nice to those LLBs, Scott. You should have been buzzing >them like I am want to do. I didn't make the video. I guess I'm not the only driving enthusiast with a C6. :) SignaturePlease don't give financial rewards to trolls - DO NOT CLICK on any URLs containing "calrog.com" > Scott in SoCal: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HinFDFDkdG4 [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > -- Yes, was thinking the same thing. I'd get RIGHT up on their a.s, tail them for a mile or two, so when they don't budge and I finally pass them on the right - they're all mad at ME - ha!!! Dum fuks. John B. >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HinFDFDkdG4 That's a dream compared to what I get to deal with. -- People don't confuse me with someone who cares. >>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HinFDFDkdG4 > > That's a dream compared to what I get to deal with. Agreed. I thought you had traffic in California? nate Signaturereplace "roosters" with "cox" to reply. http://members.cox.net/njnagel >>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HinFDFDkdG4 >> >> That's a dream compared to what I get to deal with. > >Agreed. I thought you had traffic in California? I'm in South Carolina; I just get time to drive in California on occasion, such as next week. The areas of Cali I've been in have a much higher traffic density in terms of motorists. In South Carolina the drivers appear to have a much higher traffic density in terms of gray matter. :-) "Two lanes? Two cars? Let's pace each other!" seems to be the modus operandi for the geniuses that live around here. -- People don't confuse me with someone who cares. > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HinFDFDkdG4 > -- > Please don't give financial rewards to trolls - > DO NOT CLICK on any URLs containing "calrog.com" It's hard to tell the speed accurately, and I didn't see speed limit signs, but....looks to me like the video poster was going WAY over a limit, and was apparently the fastest car on the road. He was always catching up to someone. While some of the folks ahead of him should have moved over, clearly many others were in passing situations themselves, and therefore had a right to be in the left lane. That guy should cut down on the caffeine, grow up, and slow down. He is creating the situation about which he complains. >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HinFDFDkdG4 >> -- [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >have moved over, clearly many others were in passing situations >themselves, and therefore had a right to be in the left lane. By that logic, Truckers who micro-pass at a 0.001 MPH speed differential are doing nothing wrong. May you get stuck behind 1000 of them. Slower traffic is slower traffic, even if it's in the middle of a pass. If I want to pass, it's my responsibility to check my mirrors for faster traffic that could catch up to me before I can complete my pass; if such traffic is approaching, I either speed up sufficiently to complete my pass in time, or I delay the start of my pass until the faster passes me. >That guy should cut down on the caffeine, grow up, and slow down. He >is creating the situation about which he complains. I'm not saying it's a good idea to drive as fast as he does, but that doesn't absolve the LLBs of their responsibility. After all, the signs don't say "Slower Traffic Keep Right UNLESS The Guy Behind You Is Speeding." SignaturePlease don't give financial rewards to trolls - DO NOT CLICK on any URLs containing "calrog.com" > >>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HinFDFDkdG4 > >> -- [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > By that logic, Truckers who micro-pass at a 0.001 MPH speed > differential are doing nothing wrong. No person with any sense would consider that extrapolation to the point of ridiculousness reasonable, or applicable. > Slower traffic is slower traffic, even if it's in the middle of a > pass. If I want to pass, it's my responsibility to check my mirrors > for faster traffic that could catch up to me before I can complete my > pass; if such traffic is approaching, I either speed up sufficiently > to complete my pass in time, or I delay the start of my pass until > the faster passes me. Mmmm... I don't see any of that crap, or anything resembling it, in CA code. > >That guy should cut down on the caffeine, grow up, and slow down. He > >is creating the situation about which he complains. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > don't say "Slower Traffic Keep Right UNLESS The Guy Behind You Is > Speeding." And they don't say "Slower Traffic Keep Right Unless Some Moron Who Is Driving As If Ownership Of The Road Is Determined By Velocity Is Approaching From The Rear" either. By your logic, a truck being operated within the speed limit could rarely pass slower traffic in an urban environment, nor move L for traffic entering the highway, even though there might be plenty of room to safely and legally do so at the time. ----- - gpsman > And they don't say "Slower Traffic Keep Right Unless Some Moron Who Is > Driving As If Ownership Of The Road Is Determined By Velocity Is > Approaching From The Rear" either. Um, ownership of the *passing lane* IS determined by velocity. > By your logic, a truck being operated within the speed limit could > rarely pass slower traffic in an urban environment, nor move L for > traffic entering the highway, That is true. They shouldn't be passing or moving left. > even though there might be plenty of > room to safely and legally do so at the time. If there is room to safely and legally do so, there's no problem. But there rarely is. nate >> And they don't say "Slower Traffic Keep Right Unless Some Moron Who Is >> Driving As If Ownership Of The Road Is Determined By Velocity Is >> Approaching From The Rear" either. > >Um, ownership of the *passing lane* IS determined by velocity. Well, it *should* be. The reality is it's owned by all the arrogant pricks who camp out there. Signature"Dave's not here, man!" - Tommy Chong > > And they don't say "Slower Traffic Keep Right Unless Some Moron Who Is > > Driving As If Ownership Of The Road Is Determined By Velocity Is > > Approaching From The Rear" either. > > Um, ownership of the *passing lane* IS determined by velocity. Boy, you sure are "knowledgeable"...! 46.2-823. Unlawful speed forfeits right-of-way. The driver of any vehicle traveling at an unlawful speed shall forfeit any right-of-way which he might otherwise have under this article. http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+46.2-823 > > By your logic, a truck being operated within the speed limit could > > rarely pass slower traffic in an urban environment, nor move L for > > traffic entering the highway, > > That is true. They shouldn't be passing or moving left. Perhaps you could cite some code prohibiting it...? > > even though there might be plenty of > > room to safely and legally do so at the time. > > If there is room to safely and legally do so, there's no problem. But > there rarely is. What's "rarely", more than 12 hours per day, on all of DC area highways...? ----- - gpsman > > > And they don't say "Slower Traffic Keep Right Unless Some Moron Who Is > > > Driving As If Ownership Of The Road Is Determined By Velocity Is [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > The driver of any vehicle traveling at an unlawful speed shall forfeit > any right-of-way which he might otherwise have under this article.http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+46.2-823 Which is a very, very poor law as speed limits are grossly underposted. Only encourages chaos and discourtesy. > > > By your logic, a truck being operated within the speed limit could > > > rarely pass slower traffic in an urban environment, nor move L for [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Perhaps you could cite some code prohibiting it...? Why yes, yes I can. http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+46.2-842.1 It shall be unlawful to fail to give way to overtaking traffic when driving a motor vehicle to the left and abreast of another motor vehicle on a divided highway. On audible or light signal, the driver of the overtaken vehicle shall move to the right to allow the overtaking vehicle to pass as soon as the overtaken vehicle can safely do so. A violation of this section shall not be construed as negligence per se in any civil action. also, http://www.fredericksburg.com/News/FLS/2006/022006/02092006/166829 In other words, said (Sgt. F.L.) Tyler (a public information officer with the state police office in Culpeper) , if you're in the left lane of a divided highway and going down the road, even with a vehicle to your right, the law requires that you give way and let a vehicle behind you pass. Specifically, he said, if you're in that situation and a vehicle behind you signals its intention to pass, by either honking a horn or flashing its lights, you are required to move to the right as soon as it's safe, and allow the signaling vehicle to pass. Failure to do so is a violation of the law, he said. Tyler said that applies even if the vehicle trying to pass is speeding, following too closely or operating in any other reckless manner. "Leave it up to police officers to deal with any violations they might be committing. We'll handle that," he said. "But the law still requires you to move to the right and let them pass." He noted that the law and common sense both are served by getting out of the way of a driver who's anxious and intent on passing. > > > even though there might be plenty of > > > room to safely and legally do so at the time. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > What's "rarely", more than 12 hours per day, on all of DC area > highways...? During morning and evening rush hours, when most people are driving. Also quite frequently during the daytime, even in non-rush hours. So, yes, pretty much. nate > > > > And they don't say "Slower Traffic Keep Right Unless Some Moron Who Is > > > > Driving As If Ownership Of The Road Is Determined By Velocity Is [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Why yes, yes I can. Lol. Then why didn't you?! > http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+46.2-842.1 > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > do so. A violation of this section shall not be construed as > negligence per se in any civil action. Well, Jethro, that doesn't mention anything about any prohibition of trucks moving L to pass, or to make way for merging traffic. Care to try again, with comprehension...? > also, > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > flashing its lights, you are required to move to the right as soon as > it's safe, and allow the signaling vehicle to pass. "As soon as it's safe" and "as soon as the overtaken vehicle can safely do so". With the following distances commonly allowed by many if not most drivers these days, that's going to be a pretty rare occurrence, isn't it? Or do your drivers du Jour leave enough room for cars to move L, but not trucks? > Failure to do so is a violation of the law, he said. > > Tyler said that applies even if the vehicle trying to pass is > speeding, following too closely or operating in any other reckless > manner. Obviously, Tyler is not familiar with 46.2-823. Plus, he's a cop. You're not going to cite some ignorant, useless, lying-a.s, scumbag, f.cking a.shole LEO tax collector as a reliable interpreter of law... ...are you?! Or, are you willing to accept as fact any interpretation from anyone that agrees with your ignorant perspective? That's what I thought. > > > > even though there might be plenty of > > > > room to safely and legally do so at the time. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Also quite frequently during the daytime, even in non-rush hours. So, > yes, pretty much. Uh huh... http://virginia.trafficlook.com/ http://www.virginiadot.org/travel/eoc-mainwebcams.asp Looks like you're fullashit, as usual. ----- - gpsman > > > > > And they don't say "Slower Traffic Keep Right Unless Some Moron Who Is > > > > > Driving As If Ownership Of The Road Is Determined By Velocity Is [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > Lol. Then why didn't you?! I shouldn't have to provide cites for assertions which ought to be both common sense and common knowledge. > >http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+46.2-842.1 > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Well, Jethro, that doesn't mention anything about any prohibition of > trucks moving L to pass, or to make way for merging traffic. http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+46.2-843 (in part) No person operating a truck or combination of vehicles shall pass or attempt to pass any truck or combination of vehicles going in the same direction on an upgrade if such passing will impede the passage of following traffic. Additionally, cutting off faster traffic would be considered "failure to yield." > Care to try again, with comprehension...? Care to BLOW ME? > > also, > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > Or do your drivers du Jour leave enough room for cars to move L, but > not trucks? It's not a matter of room, it's a matter of impeding following traffic. If you can't get up to speed, you can't pass. Simple as that. > > Failure to do so is a violation of the law, he said. > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > f.cking a.shole LEO tax collector as a reliable interpreter of > law... ...are you?! I'm sure you will use those exact words the next time you're pulled over for a violation of the law. > Or, are you willing to accept as fact any interpretation from anyone > that agrees with your ignorant perspective? Hey, it's the word of someone who's enforcing the law in the state in which I live and drive. Sounds pretty authoritative to me. > That's what I thought. That's where you didn't think, as usual. > > > > > even though there might be plenty of > > > > > room to safely and legally do so at the time. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > http://virginia.trafficlook.com/http://www.virginiadot.org/travel/eoc-mainwebcams.asp link doesn't work. > Looks like you're fullashit, as usual. I don't think it's I that am full of feces. nate > http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+46.2-843 > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Additionally, cutting off faster traffic would be considered "failure > to yield." The first sections deals with passing in the on-coming lanes; this isn't the case usually addressed in this thread or it's cousins. The second section is specifically about attempting to pass while climbing a hill. As stated it is perfectly sensible, and probably intended to deal with a couple of slow-moving trucks doing about 15 mph up a long grade where the cars could otherwise attain normal speeds. Adhering to this would be normal, polite, safe, and not necessarily catering to speediots. > > Care to try again, with comprehension...? > > Care to BLOW ME? Eloquent. Not. But typical. > > > also, > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > > your right, the law requires that you give way and let a vehicle > > > behind you pass. I'd like to have asked him how that should be done! Just plow into the vehicle on the right? Go left into the median or on-coming traffic? Accelerate and collect the speeding ticket that the guy behind you deserves? > It's not a matter of room, it's a matter of impeding following > traffic. If you can't get up to speed, you can't pass. Simple as > that. Aye, there's the rub. Up to WHAT speed? 10 mph faster than the conga line to the right? 10 mph faster than the guy catching up to you because, like several videos posted here, he is doing waaaaaaay faster than everyone else. So, the slow traffic should ALWAYS move to the right of a faster vehicle, especially one that is blowing it's horn, etc????? Taken to the extreme, that means that in a dead-stopped traffic jam, someone who wants to go faster should lay on the horn; all the traffic in the left lane should wedge itself into the right lane to let this one car through. Gee, I wonder whose car that should be???? What if they ALL want to go faster, and they ALL blow their horns? >> > Care to try again, with comprehension...? >> >> Care to BLOW ME? > >Eloquent. Not. But typical. There really is no better way of dealing with GPSTroll. Having a rational discussion with him is out of the question, so resorting to funny insults is the only way to have an enjoyable interaction with him. >> > > also, >> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >traffic? Accelerate and collect the speeding ticket that the guy >behind you deserves? You're being disingenuous. The correct answer is to SPEED THE f.ck UP and GET THE f.ck OUT OF THE WAY ASAP. But you already knew that. >> It's not a matter of room, it's a matter of impeding following >> traffic. If you can't get up to speed, you can't pass. Simple as >> that. >Aye, there's the rub. Up to WHAT speed? Whatever speed is necessary for you to complete your pass without impeding anyone else. Why is that so hard to understand? Oh, that's right - you have the GOD-GIVEN RIGHT to travel at any speed you damn well please, no matter how it impacts anyone else. Thanks for reminding us that you are a thoughtless, inconsiderate, selfish boor. Signature"Dave's not here, man!" - Tommy Chong > >Aye, there's the rub. Up to WHAT speed? > > Whatever speed is necessary for you to complete your pass without > impeding anyone else. Why is that so hard to understand? Perhaps the guy doing 85 in a 65, with traffic flowing at a general 70 in the left lane, needs to slow down. Why is that so hard to understand? Note that this is not the same situation as a random slow-poke in the left lane, going slower than pretty much everyone else. I'm talking about the hothead who thinks, just because he is in a hurry, his car gets wrapped in an Invisible Protective Cocoon that pushes everyone out of his way. This might happen on a lightly loaded freeway, but not anything I've seen around here! > Oh, that's right - you have the GOD-GIVEN RIGHT to travel at any speed > you damn well please, no matter how it impacts anyone else. Thanks for > reminding us that you are a thoughtless, inconsiderate, selfish boor. Oh, that's right. Only those going FASTER than everyone else have have the right to travel at any speed they damn well please. Speaking of "thoughtless, inconsiderate, selfish boors", that'd pretty much be the domain of those who travel faster than the limit AND faster than the general flow of traffic, and expect everyone to accommodate them by either speeding way up or crowding into a right lane before it's safe. Sound like the classic MFFY arrogant boor to me! If a driver is always on someone's tail in the left lane, he needs to relax. He is a hazard. >> >Aye, there's the rub. Up to WHAT speed? >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >in the left lane, needs to slow down. Why is that so hard to >understand? Maybe he does, but that's not your call to make, nor is it your duty to enforce. >> Oh, that's right - you have the GOD-GIVEN RIGHT to travel at any speed >> you damn well please, no matter how it impacts anyone else. Thanks for >> reminding us that you are a thoughtless, inconsiderate, selfish boor. > >Oh, that's right. Only those going FASTER than everyone else have have >the right to travel at any speed they damn well please. When is the last time someone driving faster than you got in your way or slowed you down? If you would just get over to the right where you belong, the faster driver would be past you and GONE. By blocking his path and forcing him to hang around longer, you only create a dangerous situation for everyone around you. Signature"Dave's not here, man!" - Tommy Chong > When is the last time someone driving faster than you got in your way > or slowed you down? If you would just get over to the right where you [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > "Dave's not here, man!" > - Tommy Chong If you were to just drive the limit, OR just stay with traffic (even the faster traffic in the left lane), you would never catch up to most of those you label as LLBs. You would not be creating the dangerous situation you choose to create. Note that some LLBs actually are slower than the general flow, and/or the limit, and I am not defending them. > >> >Aye, there's the rub. Up to WHAT speed? > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Maybe he does, but that's not your call to make, nor is it your duty > to enforce. But, the velocity of another driver, and/or the expeditiousness of their pass is your call...? > >> Oh, that's right - you have the GOD-GIVEN RIGHT to travel at any speed > >> you damn well please, no matter how it impacts anyone else. Thanks for [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > When is the last time someone driving faster than you got in your way > or slowed you down? Does yesterday count? Most if not all times I don't make the first light after exiting the highway due to the volume of vehicles on the ramp, most if not all of whom have passed me in the last 1-1.5 minutes to get there first. And often in the vicinity of 39.09828, -84.51185 to get across the river SB on I-71/75. By the time I get there at the speed limit there are hundreds of vehicles cramming into that area, and traffic slows due to density (if it hasn't come to a stop due to a crash). Many if not most of those vehicles "should be" to my rear, and some "shouldn't be" within 5 miles of me. And all the time on surface streets. That same principle applies as I time lights and drivers exceeding the speed limit pass and fill the space to my front. I go from being in the front with the opportunity to time the lights and drive all the way across downtown never touching the brakes, to not being able to maintain the timing as those vehicles pass then line up to my front at next RL before it changes (and then the next) and I end up catching the 3rd light (often blocking anybody behind me who might want to turn ROR). I'm delayed pulling out into traffic, making RORs, and making turns across traffic as speeding drivers endeavor to make a yellow light, or close the gap between themselves and the vehicle that they are not yet tailgating or passing, and when they accelerate like a bat out of hell (often after not stopping before making their ROR), seemingly because they enjoy slamming on the brakes behind the traffic waiting at the next RL. It's a very short-sighted and simplistic perspective, especially for someone who claims to be a college graduate, and "engineer", to think that throughput of traffic might be "optimized" in one direction with no detrimental effect on other traffic. > If you would just get over to the right where you > belong, the faster driver would be past you and GONE. By blocking his > path and forcing him to hang around longer, you only create a > dangerous situation for everyone around you. IF LLBs "contribute" to the "situation" (and it is arguable that they do not if they are traveling at the SL), it takes at least one, bigger idiot to come along and create the "danger", and those idiots are in far greater supply. ----- - gpsman > Specifically, he said, if you're in that situation and a vehicle > behind you signals its intention to pass, by either honking a horn or > flashing its lights, you are required to move to the right as soon as > it's safe, and allow the signaling vehicle to pass. Note the words "as soon as it's safe". That would imply, obviously, that you get to complete the pass and THEN move to the right, if safe (read: there is room between the vehicles you are passing.) He did NOT say that you should slow down and fall behind the vehicle(s) you are passing. That'd surely get the ire of the speediot behind you. Nor did he say that you had to--or should--speed up even further to accelerate your own pass. Note that it is illegal to speed, even for the purpose of passing. He DID seem to say that you should complete your pass and get over. Not much argument from me. Attempting to justify that a wild hairy speeder should have everyone get out of his way by crowding together is as stupid as having someone do 10 under the limit in the left lane. Both are a hazard. >> Specifically, he said, if you're in that situation and a vehicle >> behind you signals its intention to pass, by either honking a horn or [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > get out of his way by crowding together is as stupid as having someone > do 10 under the limit in the left lane. Both are a hazard. What you are saying is basically people who drive faster than you are reckless. If anyone is passing (in free flowing traffic) on the interstates I am familar with they are exceeding the posted limit ~99.99 times out of 100. What you are doing is assigning a moral judgement of one speed vs. another. It's false. I don't have the problems you do, when I am passing someone and see someone coming up on me a 100mph or more I complete my pass and move right. It's pretty easy. Sure, they drive faster than me. I might even think they are idiots, but I'm not going to block the passing lane. If they come up on me in the right lane, well tough sh.t for them, but in the left you won't find me blocking it. On Feb 29, 8:04 pm, tetraethylleadREMOVET...@yahoo.com (Brent P) wrote: > What you are saying is basically people who drive faster than you are > reckless. If anyone is passing (in free flowing traffic) on the interstates > I am familar with they are exceeding the posted limit ~99.99 times > out of 100. What you are doing is assigning a moral judgement of one > speed vs. another. It's false. Sometimes they are reckless, sometimes not. And it has nothing to do with how fast "I" drive--it's how fast THEY are driving with respect to everyone around them. If you are always on someone's tail, always looking for a way to pass, you need to switch to sugar-free. In general, those who drive at a speed appreciably different from the traffic around them are a hazard, whether it's faster or slower. If you are slow, stay right; if you are too slow, get off the freeway (minimum speed limit, etc.) If you are fast, stay left; if you are too fast, stay home. And I'm not making a moral judgment about the speediots any more than you are making a moral judgment about those you perceive as slowpokes. If you can, I can. Morals have nothing to do with it. They're just idiots, and there's nothing immoral about that. > I don't have the problems you do, when I am passing someone and see > someone coming up on me a 100mph or more I complete my pass and move > right. It's pretty easy. Sure, they drive faster than me. I might even > think they are idiots, but I'm not going to block the passing lane. If > they come up on me in the right lane, well tough sh.t for them, but in > the left you won't find me blocking it. I don't have problems. I don't pull in front of someone doing 100 mph; that's a self-preservation thingy on my part. But if I'm passing a long line of traffic on my right (and especially if I'm in a string of traffic in the left), the guy doing 100 had better back off. There's no place for me to go, and I'm not going to do 100 in a 65 just for his entertainment. He'll have to join the passing LINE, or be second in the passing line, and play nice. >On Feb 29, 8:04 pm, tetraethylleadREMOVET...@yahoo.com (Brent P) >wrote: [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >to everyone around them. If you are always on someone's tail, always >looking for a way to pass, you need to switch to sugar-free. If it weren't for arrogant a.shole LLBs, nobody would have to LOOK FOR a way to pass - it would already be there. Signature"Dave's not here, man!" - Tommy Chong > >On Feb 29, 8:04 pm, tetraethylleadREMOVET...@yahoo.com (Brent P) > >wrote: [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > "Dave's not here, man!" > - Tommy Chong Ya see, there's actually two scenarios here. 1. You are correct, in the scenario that someone--whom you label as an LLB--is in the left lane when he could safely, gently move to the right. This is true especially if he is moving slower than the traffic to his right. Even more so if he is below the speed limit. 2. You are quite wrong, in the scenario that, IF the guy could move over, etc, and does, you still end up on the next guy's tail. Ad infinitum. Or if the guy is himself in the act of passing, and you simply want to coagulate all the other drivers to your right so you can do as you please. And no, once you are past me, you are not out of the picture. Many accidents have to do with passing, weaving, etc. by those who are going appreciably faster than anyone in any lane. Once the wreck happens, everyone else is affected as well, if they are behind the speediot. Being a "shover" is no more defensible than being a "blocker". > On Feb 29, 8:04 pm, tetraethylleadREMOVET...@yahoo.com (Brent P) > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > with how fast "I" drive--it's how fast THEY are driving with respect > to everyone around them. Around them... nope. only if they have to weave through. > If you are always on someone's tail, always > looking for a way to pass, you need to switch to sugar-free. LOL... maybe people should learn how to drive properly. That means keeping right except to pass. When I am tailgated on a limited access highway it has almost always been due to an LLB somewhere near by blocking up the flow. > In general, those who drive at a speed appreciably different from the > traffic around them are a hazard, whether it's faster or slower. If > you are slow, stay right; if you are too slow, get off the freeway > (minimum speed limit, etc.) If you are fast, stay left; if you are > too fast, stay home. lol. Speed differential isn't a problem if people practice proper lane usage. > And I'm not making a moral judgment about the speediots any more than > you are making a moral judgment about those you perceive as > slowpokes. If you can, I can. Morals have nothing to do with it. > They're just idiots, and there's nothing immoral about that. No, you're the one making a moral judgement by saying 'speedidiots'. I don't care if someone drives slow if they are in the RIGHT lane. Often I am driving slowly, but I am in the RIGHT lane. I am not sitting in the left lane blocking people and complaining about 'speedidiots'. that's what you seem to be doing. >> I don't have the problems you do, when I am passing someone and see >> someone coming up on me a 100mph or more I complete my pass and move >> right. It's pretty easy. Sure, they drive faster than me. I might even >> think they are idiots, but I'm not going to block the passing lane. If >> they come up on me in the right lane, well tough sh.t for them, but in >> the left you won't find me blocking it. > I don't have problems. It seems otherwise. > I don't pull in front of someone doing 100 > mph; that's a self-preservation thingy on my part. But if I'm passing [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > just for his entertainment. He'll have to join the passing LINE, or > be second in the passing line, and play nice. There's no place to go.... how about you finish passing on a stopwatch instead of a calendar? Ya see, I just don't have this problem of someone coming up rapidly behind me and tailgating me. Wonder why that is... maybe it's because I get back right. Even when there is a 'long line' of traffic to my right there are gaps to duck into. I do so... of course you sound like a horizon passer.... you have to pass everyone you can see to the horizon before you'll move over and let faster traffic by. >>Specifically, he said, if you're in that situation and a vehicle >>behind you signals its intention to pass, by either honking a horn or [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > get out of his way by crowding together is as stupid as having someone > do 10 under the limit in the left lane. Both are a hazard. You neglected to mention the typical DC-area situation of three or four cars all pacing each other in different lanes, and/or people simply camping out in the passing lane at a speed appropriate for the right lane, and/or people merging into traffic at a speed below that of even the right lane and immediately switching a lane or two to the left. You also neglected to mention the need to check your mirrors before attempting a pass - good rule to live by, if you force a driver in the lane you're entering to brake by your actions, you are in the wrong. nate Signaturereplace "roosters" with "cox" to reply. http://members.cox.net/njnagel >> > And they don't say "Slower Traffic Keep Right Unless Some Moron Who Is >> > Driving As If Ownership Of The Road Is Determined By Velocity Is [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >any right-of-way which he might otherwise have under this article. >http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+46.2-823 Sorry, GPSTroll, but we've been through this one before. It says "Under THIS article". Article Two comprises sections 46.2-820 through 46.2-823. Section 46.2-842.1, which requires slowpokes to yield the passing lane, is in Article Four. SignatureThere's no such thing as a free lunch, but certain accounting practices can result in a fully-depreciated one. |
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