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Re: If it Flys, Floats or f.cks -- Lease It! -- What kind of schmuck pays $5,500.00 for an hours sex?

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Reality_Check - 12 Mar 2008 22:11 GMT
"MURS radios" <horseshoe7@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> On Mar 10, 7:30 pm, "_ Prof. Jonez _" <thep...@jonez.net> wrote:
>> Ted wrote:
>> > Schmuck Spitzer should plead insanity! By the way, remember when
>> > a.shole wanted drivers licenses for illegal aliens?
>>
>> You prefer them to be driving without a license, or insurance, eh moron?
>
> I prefer them OUT of my country, you traitorous sellout communist dog.

Then pick your own lettuce you lowlife lazy white-trash maggot.
StuBrooks - 12 Mar 2008 22:58 GMT
> "MURS radios" <horseshoe7@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
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>>
>>I prefer them OUT of my country, you traitorous sellout communist dog.

> Then pick your own lettuce you lowlife lazy white-trash maggot.

Normal people are all in favor of LEGAL immigrants to pick our veggies
and stuff.

 Why do _YOU_ prefer to have people that are ILLEGAL to be in our
country, live here, be given drivers licenses, and have jobs that smart
HONEST people desire?
Reality_Check© - 13 Mar 2008 00:01 GMT
>> "MURS radios" <horseshoe7@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>
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> Normal people are all in favor of LEGAL immigrants to pick our veggies and
> stuff.

You woldn't know "normal" of it crawled up yoiur a.s and exploded.

>  Why do _YOU_ prefer to have people that are ILLEGAL to be in our country,
> live here, be given drivers licenses, and have jobs that smart HONEST
> people desire?

If there wasn't a demand for immigrants lacking papers, there wouldn't be so
many,
eh numbnuts?
Jim Davis - 13 Mar 2008 01:57 GMT
>>> "MURS radios" <horseshoe7@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>
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> so many,
> eh numbnuts?

What demand??  Most of them are on welfare & state aid, plus free medical.
You are one stupid son-of-a-bitch.
JoeSpareBedroom - 13 Mar 2008 02:59 GMT
>>>> "MURS radios" <horseshoe7@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>>
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> What demand??  Most of them are on welfare & state aid, plus free medical.
> You are one stupid son-of-a-bitch.

The demand exists because it's difficult to find citizens interested in
doing that kind of work, when they can make the same money being cashiers or
stocking shelves in a nice air conditioned environment.
Jim Davis - 13 Mar 2008 03:20 GMT
>>>>> "MURS radios" <horseshoe7@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>>>
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> doing that kind of work, when they can make the same money being cashiers
>  >or stocking shelves in a nice air conditioned environment.

So we need 20 to 35 million of them to pick crops?  I live among them.  NONE
of them in my area are farm workers.  The "demand" is exagerated.
JoeSpareBedroom - 13 Mar 2008 03:30 GMT
>>>>>> "MURS radios" <horseshoe7@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>
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> So we need 20 to 35 million of them to pick crops?  I live among them.
> NONE of them in my area are farm workers.  The "demand" is exagerated.

In other areas, they ARE farm workers. Upstate NY, for instance. Not all
illegals. About half. In the following NPR radio story, a local sheriff says
their behavior is no worse than, and maybe better than anyone else's:
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=16981143

In chef Anthony Bourdain's book "Kitchen Confidential", he said that if you
want to be a chef, but you have issues with Hispanics, find another career.
In big cities, they're the backbone of the kitchen and they probably know
more about the business than any chef coming out of a culinary institute.
They're also cleaning your hotel rooms.

What they do in your area is obviously different.
Matthew T. Russotto - 13 Mar 2008 05:11 GMT
>In chef Anthony Bourdain's book "Kitchen Confidential", he said that if you
>want to be a chef, but you have issues with Hispanics, find another career.
>In big cities, they're the backbone of the kitchen and they probably know
>more about the business than any chef coming out of a culinary institute.
>They're also cleaning your hotel rooms.

Heh.  Go to Cancun, Mexico.  There you will find hard-working Mexicans
cooking your food, cleaning your hotel room, washing the windows,
doing the landscaping, etc.  Now come back to the US...where you'll
find the exact same thing.
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_ Prof. Jonez _ - 17 Mar 2008 04:22 GMT
>> In chef Anthony Bourdain's book "Kitchen Confidential", he said that
>> if you want to be a chef, but you have issues with Hispanics, find
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> cooking your food, cleaning your hotel room, washing the windows,
> doing the landscaping, etc.

And earning more $$ daily than most white-trash Amerikunts.

> Now come back to the US...where you'll
> find the exact same thing.
Benj - 16 Mar 2008 17:24 GMT
> If there wasn't a demand for immigrants lacking papers, there wouldn't be so
> many,
> eh numbnuts?

Oh sure. If banks didn't desire to give money away to bank robbers,
there wouldn't be people robbing banks!

Just WHO is the "numbnuts" here?
JoeSpareBedroom - 16 Mar 2008 17:32 GMT
On Mar 12, 7:01 pm, "Reality_Check©" <Real...@Check.it> wrote:

> If there wasn't a demand for immigrants lacking papers, there wouldn't be
> so
> many,
> eh numbnuts?

Oh sure. If banks didn't desire to give money away to bank robbers,
there wouldn't be people robbing banks!

Just WHO is the "numbnuts" here?

==============================

Well, someone's hiring illegals, so there is, in FACT, demand for them.
Would you agree with this statement? If not, why not?
Benj - 16 Mar 2008 17:51 GMT
> Well, someone's hiring illegals, so there is, in FACT, demand for them.
> Would you agree with this statement? If not, why not?

Welfare is NOT a "job"!  And I might add that control of a country's
borders isn't really the responsibility of business owners.  The
problem isn't migrant workers, the problem is ILLEGALS who are coming
in without permission, STEALING things that rightfully belong to our
OWN poor and then shipping the loot back home.  Trying to make this
about "jobs" is a red herring.  It's about illegals, infiltration, and
national control of our own borders.  Like I said before, if there is
a "demand" for workers (and there is some demand) then you hand them
an ID card at the border and keep and eye on them the whole time they
are here in EXACTLY the same way the gummint keeps and eye on you and
me!  How come it's supposedly so damn hard to keep track of illegals
when the gummint knows how many times a day I scratch my a.s?
JoeSpareBedroom - 16 Mar 2008 17:56 GMT
>> Well, someone's hiring illegals, so there is, in FACT, demand for them.
>> Would you agree with this statement? If not, why not?
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> me!  How come it's supposedly so damn hard to keep track of illegals
> when the gummint knows how many times a day I scratch my a.s?

You're stuck on this welfare thing. Granted, some illegals are on welfare.
Others work and get paid. True, or false?
JoeSpareBedroom - 13 Mar 2008 00:34 GMT
>> "MURS radios" <horseshoe7@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>
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> live here, be given drivers licenses, and have jobs that smart HONEST
> people desire?

Nobody prefers illegals to legal workers, all else being equal (like pay
scale). Pay scale may NOT always be equal, but let's assume for the moment
that all farm workers start at the legal minimum wage. Please ask 10
teenagers about 5 possible summer jobs, one of which must include bending
over in 90 degree heat, hacking broccoli off the plant with a very sharp
knife.

Let me know if what those teenagers say about doing that kind of work. And,
don't tell me about how we should have machines which do that specific job.
That's true, but farm machinery makers haven't invented such a machine yet.
Jim Davis - 13 Mar 2008 01:59 GMT
>>> "MURS radios" <horseshoe7@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>
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> specific job. That's true, but farm machinery makers haven't invented such
> a machine yet.

Not totally true.  Farmers will not buy the advanced machinery, when they
can get "next to slave labor".
JoeSpareBedroom - 13 Mar 2008 02:57 GMT
>>>> "MURS radios" <horseshoe7@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>>
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> Not totally true.  Farmers will not buy the advanced machinery, when they
> can get "next to slave labor".

Where did you get that last idea from?
Jim Davis - 13 Mar 2008 03:25 GMT
>>>>> "MURS radios" <horseshoe7@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>>>
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>
> Where did you get that last idea from?

I wish I could find the 20/20 video of the interviews with the farmers.  The
technoligy is there.  Just no demand for it.
JoeSpareBedroom - 13 Mar 2008 03:36 GMT
>>>>>> "MURS radios" <horseshoe7@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>
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> I wish I could find the 20/20 video of the interviews with the farmers.
> The technoligy is there.  Just no demand for it.

For reasons that aren't important, I became an advisor to a friend of my
son's who was involved with a research project on this issue for college. He
interviewed about 30 local farmers, and spoke to three farm machinery
manufacturers.

There is no such thing as machinery for certain crops, like berries &
broccoli. The manufacturers all said they have wet dreams about the day they
can invent something to handle delicate crops like strawberries.

Farmers already use machinery for crops like corn & beans. They don't always
own it. They often pay someone who owns the machinery to harvest the crops.
Nobody uses human labor for corn, except when the final market is a
farmstand, where they may only need a few bushels per day.

Head cabbage: Some farmers use machines if the cabbage is going to end up
going to a company like Silver Floss, who makes it into sauerkraut. The
machinery beats up the heads a bit too much, so they don't use it for
cabbage being sold to supermarkets. That's harvested by people the old
fashioned way.

There are no hard & fast rules. You know that.
Matthew T. Russotto - 13 Mar 2008 05:12 GMT
>There is no such thing as machinery for certain crops, like berries &
>broccoli. The manufacturers all said they have wet dreams about the day they
>can invent something to handle delicate crops like strawberries.

And strawberries would be simple compared to blackberries.

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Matthew T. Russotto - 13 Mar 2008 05:09 GMT
>"Jim Davis" <sky.dancer1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>
>> Not totally true.  Farmers will not buy the advanced machinery, when they
>> can get "next to slave labor".
>
>Where did you get that last idea from?

Econ 101.

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Benj - 16 Mar 2008 17:36 GMT
> > Normal people are all in favor of LEGAL immigrants to pick our veggies and
> > stuff.
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> over in 90 degree heat, hacking broccoli off the plant with a very sharp
> knife.

As usual JoeSpare, you've bought the entire liberal line the media
spews!  What makes you think illegals WANT jobs?  What the hell is
this media term "illegal immigrants" or "undocumented workers"?  How
about we use the Israeli term "INFILTRATORS"!

It's bullshit. It's ALL bullshit!  It is NOT about farm workers at
all!  This is about infiltration to promote the North American Union
idea. It is about loss of American sovereignty.  If a country has no
control over it's borders it isn't sovereign anymore.  And that's the
idea. Don't give us the party line bullshit about the "poor
immigrants" like my grandparents. My grandparents were NOT illegals!
Don't give us the party line about the poor farm workers doing nasty
jobs. Hell yes, those jobs are nasty! But that isn't the issue at all.
If we need some broccoli pickers you put out the call and hand 'em ID
cards at the border!  Hiring illegals should be CRIME! Every person
hiring illegals is a person eating away at American sovereignty!

Joe, you haven't a CLUE what this politics is all about. Get your head
out of that liberal media and look around you for a change! The world
of politics is not the nicey-nicey place you have been told it is!
JoeSpareBedroom - 16 Mar 2008 17:49 GMT
>> > Normal people are all in favor of LEGAL immigrants to pick our veggies
>> > and
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> out of that liberal media and look around you for a change! The world
> of politics is not the nicey-nicey place you have been told it is!

You are sputtering again. I am not a liberal. I have no idea where you came
up with that nonsense.

When I discuss illegal workers, I refer to the ones about which I have
actual knowledge: The ones around here, the majority of whom are farm
workers. I don't refer to anecdotal evidence. Of course there are some who
don't want to work. But, the ones around here do want to work. Things are
different in other parts of the country, for reasons that are only slightly
complex, but not worth suggesting to you.
Jim Davis - 13 Mar 2008 01:55 GMT
>> "MURS radios" <horseshoe7@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>
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> live here, be given drivers licenses, and have jobs that smart HONEST
> people desire?

Because then, HE doesn't have to deal with them.
 
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