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Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS - 02 Apr 2008 16:31 GMT By forcing traffic to drive slower, they also prevented a lot of highway killings. GO TRUCKERS
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=apmoU8PTBjQ8&refer=us
Truckers Clog New Jersey Turnpike in Price Protest (Update3)
By Chris Dolmetsch
April 1 (Bloomberg) -- Truckers clogged the New Jersey Turnpike and other highways today, slowing traffic to as low as 20 mph (32 kph) as part of a nationwide protest against surging diesel fuel prices, a spokesman for the highway said.
Trucks moved slowly at various points along the 148-mile (238-kilometer) turnpike this afternoon, and about 200 drivers gathered at the Vince Lombardi Rest Area in Bergen County, said Joe Orlando, a spokesman for the New Jersey Turnpike Authority. The highway has a maximum speed limit of 65 mph.
``It's time to say, enough's enough,'' one of the protest's organizers, Brian Cunningham, 42, owner of Wolf Creek Logistics, a 20-truck company based in Mount Vernon, Illinois, said in a telephone interview. ``Drivers are going broke every day.''
Cunningham, a trucker for 21 years, said he estimated that about 100,000 of the nation's approximately 500,000 independent drivers had shut down their rigs today, with protests going on in every state.
Summonses Issued
New Jersey State Police issued some summonses to truckers who tried to slow down traffic on the turnpike, said Lieutenant Gerald Lewis.
Three truckers were ticketed for slowing traffic on Interstate 55 by driving at low speeds three abreast of the highway outside Chicago, while more than 50 rigs idled near the Port of Tampa in Florida, the Associated Press reported.
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Last Updated: April 1, 2008 15:55 EDT
necromancer - 02 Apr 2008 17:11 GMT SFB spewed:
>By forcing traffic to drive slower, they also prevented a lot of highway >killings. GO TRUCKERS Q: Who gives a flying f.ck about saving lives? A: Nobody.
>http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=apmoU8PTBjQ8&refer=us > >Truckers Clog New Jersey Turnpike in Price Protest (Update3) This trucker strike is more than I see people like you doing to protest high fuel prices. Why don't you get that beater of yours out there and drive 20MPH through Downtown Denver, numbnutz?
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Garth Almgren - 02 Apr 2008 17:18 GMT > SFB spewed: > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Q: Who gives a flying f.ck about saving lives? > A: Nobody. Certainly not the truckers this article is written about. Their only concern was fuel prices.
>> http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=apmoU8PTBjQ8&refer=us >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > protest high fuel prices. Why don't you get that beater of yours out > there and drive 20MPH through Downtown Denver, numbnutz? 'Cause then he would probably be arrested (not for impeding traffic, but for assaulting an officer after being pulled over).
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free.tuneup@gmail.com - 02 Apr 2008 18:17 GMT On Apr 2, 10:11 am, necromancer
> SFB spewed: > [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > Ref:http://tinyurl.com/2fnkof > Msg ID: 706d1599-c987-40a9-8899-bae460b3e...@p69g2000hsa.googlegroups.com I heard american truckers being interviewed on BBC last night and in some cases, they said, the cost of shipping is higher than the price of the merchandise inside the truck.
Laurence F. Sheldon, Jr. - 02 Apr 2008 18:25 GMT > I heard american truckers being interviewed on BBC last night and in > some cases, they said, the cost of shipping is higher than the price > of the merchandise inside the truck. Not uncommon for the trucker to be told "get rid of it" when a consignee refuses a load, or part of it.
Scott in SoCal - 03 Apr 2008 02:06 GMT >``It's time to say, enough's enough,'' one of the protest's organizers, >Brian Cunningham, 42, owner of Wolf Creek Logistics, a 20-truck company >based in Mount Vernon, Illinois, said in a telephone interview. ``Drivers >are going broke every day.'' I've been watching these stories on the news with dumbfounded awe. Apparently these genius Truckers negotiated deals whereby they are not reimbursed for their fuel costs. How f.cking stupid is that???
Of course, these are the same bozos who think it's OK to work on such ridiculously tight schedules that they can't even stop to take a bathroom break and have to piss in a jug. Most of these guys don't realize it yet, but getting out of the trucking industry is going to be the best thing that ever happened to them. They'll suffer some short term pain, but in the long run they'll end up with much better jobs, working much more normal hours, and they'll get to come home to their families every night like normal people.
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necromancer - 03 Apr 2008 02:23 GMT >SFB spewed: > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >Apparently these genius Truckers negotiated deals whereby they are not >reimbursed for their fuel costs. And the shipping agent is charging the shipper a, "fuel surcharge," in many cases.
>How f.cking stupid is that??? Stupid is as stupid does in america (sic), Scott...
>Of course, these are the same bozos who think it's OK to work on such >ridiculously tight schedules that they can't even stop to take a >bathroom break and have to piss in a jug. Most of these guys don't Nobody held a gun to their head and forced them into their career choice....
>realize it yet, but getting out of the trucking industry is going to >be the best thing that ever happened to them. They'll suffer some >short term pain, but in the long run they'll end up with much better >jobs, working much more normal hours, Ummmmm, are you sure about that???
>and they'll get to come home totheir families every night like > normal people. They may have made the chioce to truck drive to get away from their families.....
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Dave Head - 03 Apr 2008 11:13 GMT >>SFB spewed: >>Of course, these are the same bozos who think it's OK to work on such [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >Nobody held a gun to their head and forced them into their career >choice.... Its just the best-paying job they could get, most likely.
>>realize it yet, but getting out of the trucking industry is going to >>be the best thing that ever happened to them. They'll suffer some >>short term pain, but in the long run they'll end up with much better >>jobs, working much more normal hours, > >Ummmmm, are you sure about that??? They're probably going to end up competing with illegal aliens to work at Wal Mart for less than minimum wage, or competing with illegal aliens to do some other less than minimum wage job such as grass cutting, etc. The really good jobs that were in factories and that less than college-educated people could do have all gone overseas, thanks to the income tax that is killing corporate American. The other really good jobs in engineering are slowly going overseas to India. Of the good jobs that are left, doctoring and lawyering, the doctors are being joined and/or replaced by those from India, Pakistan, just about everyplace except here. Fortunately, we need so many doctors that the domestic ones that get an education in spite of the horrible American school system don't much seem to be getting financially killed other than by the insurance companies. The lawyers seem to be doing OK, mostly.
But the truckers are hosed, like most of the rest of us. Eventually, all the tech jobs will end up in India and Russia and other countries. I'm hoping this takes long enough so that I'm dead by the time it is complete. The USA will become a 3rd world country at that time, with nothing but menial jobs available to the workforce and with most people unemployed and undereducated by a school system dedicated to teaching the three R's - Reproduction, Recycling, and Racism - instead of useful things like English, Chemistry, Physics, Biology, Mathematics, etc.
Scott in SoCal - 03 Apr 2008 13:49 GMT >>>Of course, these are the same bozos who think it's OK to work on such >>>ridiculously tight schedules that they can't even stop to take a [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Its just the best-paying job they could get, most likely. Apparently that is no longer the case.
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Scott in SoCal - 03 Apr 2008 13:46 GMT >>realize it yet, but getting out of the trucking industry is going to >>be the best thing that ever happened to them. They'll suffer some >>short term pain, but in the long run they'll end up with much better >>jobs, working much more normal hours, > >Ummmmm, are you sure about that??? Reasonably. Due to the increasing importance of fuel efficiency, I envision a general shift from long-haul trucking to intermodal rail, with local trucks covering the "last mile." Many of those Truckers who drop out of the long-haul business will be able to get jobs making local deliveries.
>>and they'll get to come home totheir families every night like >> normal people. > >They may have made the chioce to truck drive to get away from their >families..... Isn't it easier to just get a divorce? Why destroy your life with a shitty work schedule and sweatshop working conditions just because you don't like your wife?
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necromancer - 03 Apr 2008 19:02 GMT >>They may have made the chioce to truck drive to get away from their >>families..... > >Isn't it easier to just get a divorce? Why destroy your life with a >shitty work schedule and sweatshop working conditions just because you >don't like your wife? Cheaper than a lawywr and alimony/child-support payments? Religious hang-up about divorce?
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Dave Head - 03 Apr 2008 23:40 GMT >Reasonably. Due to the increasing importance of fuel efficiency, I >envision a general shift from long-haul trucking to intermodal rail, >with local trucks covering the "last mile." WOW! What a serendipitous outcome for high fuel prices. Makes it almost worth it to get millions of trucks the H off the road and their slow, micro-passing a.ses out of the way. And that's not even taking into account the drivers that think that just because they're big, they can do anything they want, like change lanes without looking. I've been run off the road twice like that, and watched another guy get squished up against a Jersey barrier in Kentucky the same way. Trucks traveling on rails and off the interstates? Woo hoo - bring it on, baby!
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Brent P - 03 Apr 2008 23:59 GMT >WOW! What a serendipitous outcome for high fuel prices. Makes it almost worth >it to get millions of trucks the H off the road and their slow, micro-passing >a.ses out of the way. And that's not even taking into account the drivers that >think that just because they're big, they can do anything they want, like >change lanes without looking. Sorta like this? http://blip.tv/file/597180
Dave Head - 04 Apr 2008 03:37 GMT >>WOW! What a serendipitous outcome for high fuel prices. Makes it almost worth >>it to get millions of trucks the H off the road and their slow, micro-passing [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Sorta like this? http://blip.tv/file/597180 Worse than that...
necromancer - 04 Apr 2008 13:28 GMT >>WOW! What a serendipitous outcome for high fuel prices. Makes it almost worth >>it to get millions of trucks the H off the road and their slow, micro-passing [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Sorta like this? http://blip.tv/file/597180 Scary stuff, Brent.
BTW, the trucking line is Bay and Bay Transfer. ;)
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N8N - 03 Apr 2008 13:05 GMT On Apr 2, 11:31 am, "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS" <xeton2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> New Jersey State Police issued some summonses to truckers who tried to > slow down traffic on the turnpike, said Lieutenant Gerald Lewis. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Last Updated: April 1, 2008 15:55 EDT Thus wasting even more fossil fuels. if they can't afford to work they should by all means protest but not by such asinine means. they all should have been arrested.
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* US * - 03 Apr 2008 14:40 GMT >... >they should by all means protest but not by such asinine means. they >all should have been arrested. Some brit or loyalist no doubt said the same thing about the Boston Tea Party.
N8N - 03 Apr 2008 17:17 GMT > >... > >they should by all means protest but not by such asinine means. they > >all should have been arrested. > > Some brit or loyalist no doubt said the same > thing about the Boston Tea Party. Actually by law *all* participants in the BTP should have been arrested. the difference is that those people knew full well that what they were doing was illegal and I can only assume were prepared to accept the consequences.
nate
* US * - 03 Apr 2008 17:48 GMT >> >... >> >they should by all means protest but not by such asinine means. they [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >what they were doing was illegal and I can only assume were prepared >to accept the consequences. Well, if you're that intent on abiding by the rule of law, you should definitely join the call for Bush and Cheney to be sent to the Hague to stand trial for their war crimes.
N8N - 03 Apr 2008 19:08 GMT > >> >... > >> >they should by all means protest but not by such asinine means. they [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > you should definitely join the call for Bush and Cheney > to be sent to the Hague to stand trial for their war crimes. I wouldn't be at all sad if that happened.
nate
* US * - 03 Apr 2008 21:30 GMT >> >> >... >> >> >they should by all means protest but not by such asinine means. they [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > >nate Congratulations, and welcome to civilization.
necromancer - 04 Apr 2008 00:38 GMT >> >> >... >> >> >they should by all means protest but not by such asinine means. they [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > >I wouldn't be at all sad if that happened. I'm going to throw a party if that happens.
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Brent P - 03 Apr 2008 23:56 GMT >>> >... >>> >they should by all means protest but not by such asinine means. they [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >you should definitely join the call for Bush and Cheney >to be sent to the Hague to stand trial for their war crimes. That would be a nice start. The Bushes have been escaping justice since Prescott funded Hitler and worked to overthrow the US federal government.
I realize some people won't believe it, so here it is from the BBC: http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/history/document/document_20070723.shtml
Laurence F. Sheldon, Jr. - 04 Apr 2008 01:27 GMT > I realize some people won't believe it, so here it is from the BBC: > http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/history/document/document_20070723.shtml I don't believe anything the BBC says. If you tell me something is true, I'll need 4 reputable sources against which to check it.
If the beebe tells me, I'll need 8 and will check four of those against others.
Nate Nagel - 04 Apr 2008 01:36 GMT >> I realize some people won't believe it, so here it is from the BBC: >> http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/history/document/document_20070723.shtml [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > If the beebe tells me, I'll need 8 and will check four of those against > others. You don't believe the BBC...?
let me guess, you think that the unofficial white house press office, I mean Faux News is a "reliable source."
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Brent P - 04 Apr 2008 02:35 GMT >> I realize some people won't believe it, so here it is from the BBC: >> http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/history/document/document_20070723.shtml > >I don't believe anything the BBC says. >If you tell me something is true, I'll need 4 reputable sources against >which to check it. Typical. Dare to question the gods.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PUmMC5P8IE
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/sep/25/usa.secondworldwar
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,100474,00.html
http://www.amazon.com/Plot-Seize-White-House-Conspiracy/dp/1602390363
http://members.tripod.com/american_almanac/morgan4.htm
http://www.eclectica.org/v1n1/reviews/wharton_plot.html
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/coup.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_Plot
* US * - 04 Apr 2008 12:51 GMT >> I realize some people won't believe it, so here it is from the BBC: >> http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/history/document/document_20070723.shtml > >I don't believe anything the BBC says. >If you tell me something is true, I'll need 4 reputable sources against >which to check it. You believed that the babies of Baghdad were after you with nukes they never actually had, though, didn't you.
Whitelightning - 04 Apr 2008 03:26 GMT > That would be a nice start. The Bushes have been escaping justice since > Prescott funded Hitler and worked to overthrow the US federal > government. Well lets not forget Joseph Kennedy then.
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* US * - 04 Apr 2008 12:52 GMT >> That would be a nice start. The Bushes have been escaping justice since >> Prescott funded Hitler and worked to overthrow the US federal >> government. >> >Well lets not forget Joseph Kennedy then. Do you imagine he'd be causing the USA to go bankrupt with war crimes right now?
That's Bush.
Try to pay attention and catch up with reality if you can.
Whitelightning - 04 Apr 2008 17:53 GMT >>> That would be a nice start. The Bushes have been escaping justice since >>> Prescott funded Hitler and worked to overthrow the US federal [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Try to pay attention and catch up with reality if you can. Oh I see, Prescott Bush is ok to mention, but the leave the Kennedys alone.
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Brent P - 04 Apr 2008 18:00 GMT >>>> That would be a nice start. The Bushes have been escaping justice since >>>> Prescott funded Hitler and worked to overthrow the US federal [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >Oh I see, Prescott Bush is ok to mention, but the leave the Kennedys alone. While the old man was clearly involved with some nasty stuff, two of his sons actually did apparently start to stand up for the people wrt the USC and got themselves shot and killed for it. Teddy is another story entirely.
Bill and Hillary Clinton on the other hand are just as bad as the Bushes. Maybe worse. The Bushes don't really seem to care what people say about them, the Clintons on the other hand....
* US * - 05 Apr 2008 02:53 GMT >>>>> That would be a nice start. The Bushes have been escaping justice since >>>>> Prescott funded Hitler and worked to overthrow the US federal [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >Bushes. Maybe worse. The Bushes don't really seem to care what people >say about them, the Clintons on the other hand.... See "Mena".
Prescott's descendants never varied from his devotion to fascism and genocide, either.
* US * - 05 Apr 2008 02:52 GMT >> That would be a nice start. The Bushes have been escaping justice since >> Prescott funded Hitler and worked to overthrow the US federal >> government. >> >Well lets not forget Joseph Kennedy then. Do you imagine he'd be causing the USA to go bankrupt with war crimes right now?
That's Bush.
Try to pay attention and catch up with reality if you can.
Oh, and since nobody ever taught you even the basics, two wrongs don't make a right.
Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick - 05 Apr 2008 05:02 GMT >>> That would be a nice start. The Bushes have been escaping justice since >>> Prescott funded Hitler and worked to overthrow the US federal [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Oh, and since nobody ever taught you even the basics, > two wrongs don't make a right. Assuming there were two wrongs to begin with.
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* US * - 05 Apr 2008 11:17 GMT On Sat, 5 Apr 2008 00:02:16 -0400, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick" <Popeye@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote:
>>>"Brent P" <tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:TsadnapM8KQ6_WjanZ2dnUVZ_uSgnZ2d@comcast.com... >>>> That would be a nice start. The Bushes have been escaping justice since [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Assuming there were two wrongs to begin with. Yes, that's an essential point.
The bushkultie tries to 'justify' Bush's crimes by claiming someone else did something wrong, even when that's not actually true.
Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick - 05 Apr 2008 14:11 GMT > On Sat, 5 Apr 2008 00:02:16 -0400, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick" > <Popeye@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > someone else did something wrong, even when that's > not actually true. Well, why haven't you had him charged for these heinous crimes yet?
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* US * - 06 Apr 2008 20:08 GMT On Sat, 5 Apr 2008 09:11:02 -0400, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick" <Popeye@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote:
>>>>>"Brent P" <tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:TsadnapM8KQ6_WjanZ2dnUVZ_uSgnZ2d@comcast.com... >>>>>> That would be a nice start. The Bushes have been escaping justice [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > Well, why haven't you had him charged for these heinous crimes yet? Do you disagree with the findings of the Nuremberg Tribunals?
Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick - 06 Apr 2008 22:52 GMT > On Sat, 5 Apr 2008 09:11:02 -0400, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick" > <Popeye@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > Do you disagree with the findings of the Nuremberg Tribunals Why, was G W Bush there?
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* US * - 04 Apr 2008 12:50 GMT >>>> >... >>>> >they should by all means protest but not by such asinine means. they [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >I realize some people won't believe it, so here it is from the BBC: >http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/history/document/document_20070723.shtml Thanks for posting that.
necromancer - 04 Apr 2008 00:38 GMT >>> >... >>> >they should by all means protest but not by such asinine means. they [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >you should definitely join the call for Bush and Cheney >to be sent to the Hague to stand trial for their war crimes. Maybe they can occupy the same cell thay Milosovic (spelling) occupied....
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* US * - 04 Apr 2008 12:52 GMT >>>> >... >>>> >they should by all means protest but not by such asinine means. they [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >Maybe they can occupy the same cell thay Milosovic (spelling) >occupied.... Most important would be reparations to their victims.
necromancer - 04 Apr 2008 13:22 GMT >>>>> >... >>>>> >they should by all means protest but not by such asinine means. they [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > >Most important would be reparations to their victims. The way that those two rat bastards and their lapdog bernanke have devalued the dollar? With what do they pay? If I were one of their victims, I'd say to them, "take your dollars and shove them up your a.s!"
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* US * - 04 Apr 2008 14:19 GMT >>>>>> >... >>>>>> >they should by all means protest but not by such asinine means. they [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] >victims, I'd say to them, "take your dollars and shove them up your >a.s!" They can pay with everything they have, for a start.
They'd never be able to show that any of their possessions wouldn't be ill-gotten gains.
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