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WTF!!! - Special license plates shield officials from traffic tickets

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Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS - 08 Apr 2008 07:44 GMT
http://www.ocregister.com/articles/dmv-police-confidential-2011354-
program-records

Special license plates shield officials from traffic tickets

THE ORANGE COUNTY REGISTER

It's 1:45 p.m. on a Wednesday in February and a Toyota Camry is driving
west on the 91 Express Lanes, for free, for the 470th time.

The electronic transponder on the dashboard – used to bill tollway users
– is inactive. The Camry's owners, airport traffic officer Rudolph
Duplessis and his wife, Loretta, have never had a toll road account,
officials say.

They've never received a violation notice in the mail, either. Their car
is registered as part of a state program which hides their home address
on Department of Motor Vehicles records. The agency that operates the
tollway does not have legal access to their address.

Their Toyota is one of 996,716 vehicles registered to motorists who are
affiliated with 1,800 state and local agencies and who are allowed to
shield their addresses under the Confidential Records Program.

An Orange County Register investigation has found that the program,
designed 30 years ago to protect police from criminals, has been expanded
to cover hundreds of thousands of public employees – from police
dispatchers to museum guards – who face little threat from the public.
Their spouses and children can get the plates, too.

This has happened despite warnings from state officials that the
safeguard is no longer needed because updated laws have made all DMV
information confidential to the public.

The Register found that the confidential plate program shields these
motorists in ways most of us can only dream about:

(snip)

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This is the craziest thing i evr heard of!!!
richard - 08 Apr 2008 11:56 GMT
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>
>This is the craziest thing i evr heard of!!!

Actually not. Many states, if not all, have similar programs.
That is designed to protect mostly law enforcement officers from being
an open book to the general public. When an officer is stopped by
another officer, his information is just not available.

In California, it used to be that you could pay 50 cents for the DMV
records of any vehicle. Great way for a pervert to obtain the
information on a good looking woman and pay her a visit.

In today's high tech and mobile society, getting such records is only
to easy by anyone with the proper tools. But I don't see where certain
non-law enforcement people would even need such protection let alone
get away without having to pay tolls. In most electronic toll systems,
in order to get the transponder, you have to include the vehicle
information. So the toll road people wouldn't need DMV.
SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim - 08 Apr 2008 12:12 GMT
> >------------------------------
>>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> That is designed to protect mostly law enforcement officers from being
> an open book to the general public.

their records should be an open book to the public, that way when some pig
shithead pulls you over to harass you, if you don't have your gun
immediately with you, you can find out his address and go to his house and
kill the pile of sh.t later

save america, kill a pig today
death to cops
Elias D - 08 Apr 2008 12:40 GMT
> In California, it used to be that you could pay 50 cents for the DMV
> records of any vehicle. Great way for a pervert to obtain the
> information on a good looking woman and pay her a visit.

Today you don't have to go to the DMV.

Data miners today are selling broad volumes of info about a large
percentage of the population.  Many merchants are now equipped with a
database that includes all kinds of info on you.  Some records even
include medical information.  

We hear almost daily about laptops going missing with the data of
100's of thousands of people.  Ever wonder where all that data ends
up?
Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS - 08 Apr 2008 16:31 GMT
> >------------------------------
>
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> That is designed to protect mostly law enforcement officers from being
> an open book to the general public.

But they should be an open book.  Cops should be worried that if they
frame some innocent person, then that person may come for them.
Scott in SoCal - 08 Apr 2008 15:01 GMT
>http://www.ocregister.com/articles/dmv-police-confidential-2011354-
>program-records
>
>Special license plates shield officials from traffic tickets

Don't expect this to contnue much longer.

The last time the Register broke a story like this (where traffic
citations were being outsourced to a company in Mexico, raising the
spectre of large-scale identity theft) the change came within a couple
of weeks (traffic tickets are now processed in Nevada or something).

Look for this little loophole to be closed VERY soon.
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"Dave's not here, man!"
 - Tommy Chong

Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS - 08 Apr 2008 16:33 GMT
> Don't expect this to contnue much longer.
>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> Look for this little loophole to be closed VERY soon.

You're a lying yellow dog. Nothing's gonna change cause our govt is
made up of a bunch of corrupt psychopaths.
Scott in SoCal - 09 Apr 2008 03:52 GMT
>> Don't expect this to contnue much longer.
>>
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>You're a lying yellow dog. Nothing's gonna change cause our govt is
>made up of a bunch of corrupt psychopaths.

WRONG, as usual:

http://www.ocregister.com/articles/enforcement-program-bill-2013625-spitzer-dmv

O.C. legislator works to stop abuse of license plates

By JENNIFER MUIR and BRIAN JOSEPH
THE ORANGE COUNTY REGISTER

SACRAMENTO – Saying that government employees shouldn't be able to
evade traffic tickets because they have secret license plates,
Assemblyman Todd Spitzer said Monday that he will propose legislation
to help traffic enforcement agencies pierce the shield.

Spitzer was responding to an Orange County Register investigation that
showed that a Department of Motor Vehicles program designed to protect
law enforcement from criminals was giving them another kind of
protection: They can drive on toll roads without paying, run red light
cameras with impunity and park illegally.

For example, 3,722 public employees have run the 91 Express Lanes in
the past five years, public documents show.

Companies that subcontract to process many traffic and parking
citations don't have access to home addresses of nearly 1 million
public employees whose personal cars are registered through the
Confidential Records Program. And the agencies that do have access
lack the time or will to hold violators accountable, the Register
found.

"It is patently unfair and just plain wrong for someone who has a
confidential plate to be able to hide behind the confidentiality to
avoid enforcement when any other person would have to face the
citation," Spitzer, R-Orange, said Monday.
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Larry Bud - 09 Apr 2008 16:28 GMT
On Apr 8, 11:33 am, "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS"
<beta...@earthlink.net> wrote:

> > Don't expect this to contnue much longer.
>
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> You're a lying yellow dog. Nothing's gonna change cause our govt is
> made up of a bunch of corrupt psychopaths.

If you believe that, why do you continue to want more government
control?

Answer:  You're a f.cking idiot.
Bo Raxo - 08 Apr 2008 23:38 GMT
>>http://www.ocregister.com/articles/dmv-police-confidential-2011354-
>>program-records
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> Look for this little loophole to be closed VERY soon.

Nope, won't happen.  LE would raise a furor, and in California the
endorsements and donation money from cops is a big deal.  It's a
longstanding practice, this isn't really news.
Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS - 09 Apr 2008 03:38 GMT
> >>http://www.ocregister.com/articles/dmv-police-confidential-2011354-
> >>program-records
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> endorsements and donation money from cops is a big deal.  It's a
> longstanding practice, this isn't really news.

According to the article the practice extends to even museum guards
and their family members.!!!  You call them cops?
Bo Raxo - 09 Apr 2008 04:14 GMT
>> >>http://www.ocregister.com/articles/dmv-police-confidential-2011354-
>> >>program-records
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> According to the article the practice extends to even museum guards
> and their family members.!!!  You call them cops?

No, that's ridiculous that they get 'em.  It should be curtailed, and nobody
should be exempt from tickets for evading tolls.
necromancer - 09 Apr 2008 05:10 GMT
>No, that's ridiculous that they get 'em.  It should be curtailed, and nobody
>should be exempt from tickets for evading tolls.

I can see making their tag info unavailable to the public (as all tag
info should be) but do they really think that a cop would use that
info to go after another cop?

"Where I come from, cops don't press charges against
other cops. No, I don't want to do that."
           --Axel Foley - Beverly Hills Cop
Bo Raxo - 09 Apr 2008 05:24 GMT
>>No, that's ridiculous that they get 'em.  It should be curtailed, and
>>nobody
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> info should be) but do they really think that a cop would use that
> info to go after another cop?

Sure they would.  I know a guy who used to work as an investigator in a
special unit in the state attorney general's office that investigates
allegations against law enforcement officers.  Most of the cases were
allegations of abuse against their own children, leveled when they were
splitting up with the spouse (big surprise).

Everyone working there had to have all of their mail delivered to the
office, kept their home address off of everything - from checking accounts
to magazine subscriptions.  People going through divorces, allegations (in
some cases, true) of molesting their own kids - oh yeah, emotions run high
is putting it mildly.  Though this guy didn't personally experience it,
others had cops go all stalker on them.

It's also why larger departments monitor license plate checks and other
record runs - to see if an officer is, say, just running the plate of
anybody attractive and using the info to try and get a date, or something
else wrong.
necromancer - 08 Apr 2008 17:46 GMT
SFB spewed:

>http://www.ocregister.com/articles/dmv-police-confidential-2011354-
>program-records

<< snip article >>

>This is the craziest thing i evr heard of!!!

You're behind the times, like usual, SFB.

And why does this revelation of government privledge in america (sic)
surprise you? BTW, the way you like to run tolls, I would have figured
you would find a way to weasel your way onto the list.

--
Speeders & Drunk Drivers Are MURDERERS admits to
being a toll cheat and running the toll booths
(Gramatical errors and hissy fit left intact):

"Now that is really stupid. Tolls are nothing but
taxes meaninglegalized stealing. You govt shills
are pathetic."

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