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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / Driving / April 2008There's a sharp learning curve comming to South Georgia
The end of May will see a new roundabout completed on St. Simons Island at the intersection of Frederica and Demere Roads - the intersection handles up to about 22,000 cars a day according to the article. The county is even going to hold, "roundabout school," to educate drivers on how to navagate the new intersection. Ref: http://www.jacksonville.com/tu-online/stories/042308/geo_271214544.shtml See: http://www.glynncounty.org/index.asp?NID=706 for a diagram of what the completed intersection will look like. Needless to say, its going to be interesting when this comes to completion. And of course, when the roundabout is finished and the clean up generally done, necromancer Films will take a ride or two through it (probablly in early June).... -- "What about you? You got a problem with this?" --Tony Soprano >The end of May will see a new roundabout completed on St. Simons >Island at the intersection of Frederica and Demere Roads - the [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >See: >http://www.glynncounty.org/index.asp?NID=706 >for a diagram of what the completed intersection will look like. > >Needless to say, its going to be interesting when this comes to >completion. And of course, when the roundabout is finished and the >clean up generally done, necromancer Films will take a ride or two >through it (probablly in early June).... You could start a pool on when the stop signs or stop lights go up to completely destroy the point of having it. :) A few screwed up chicago circles: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=wolf+and+golf+roads,+IL&sll=42. 053808,-87.91013&sspn=0.001175,0.001861&ie=UTF8&ll=42.053716,-87.910243&spn=0.00 1175,0.001861&t=h&z=19 http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=brookfield,+IL&ie=UTF8&ll=41.82 7537,-87.851435&spn=0.001179,0.001861&t=h&z=19&iwloc=addr http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=logan+square,+chicago,+IL&ie=UT F8&ll=41.928499,-87.706722&spn=0.002355,0.003723&t=h&z=18&iwloc=addr Although that last one is some sort of bi-sected oval ;) >>Needless to say, its going to be interesting when this comes to >>completion. And of course, when the roundabout is finished and the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >You could start a pool on when the stop signs or stop lights go up to >completely destroy the point of having it. :) Ironic given that the purpose of the round about is to get rid of the light currently there.... :) Though, looking at the diagram in the brochure (linked on the glynncounty.org site, I see a potential for a problem: If I'm reading the drawing and proposed signage correctly, Frederica Rd northbound will have two lanes for straight through the roundabout and Demere Rd westbound will also have two lanes straight through the roundabout. ISTM, that a car northbound in the left lane on Frederica is going to have a conflict with a car westbound on Demere in the right lane. Typical glynn county operating procedures say that nobody has seen this yet..... -- KRETP - or die!!! > Though, looking at the diagram in the brochure (linked on the > glynncounty.org site, I see a potential for a problem: [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > is going to have a conflict with a car westbound on Demere in the > right lane. No, because the vehicle going northbound has to yield to the vehicle going eastbound and the driver of the vehicle going westbound has the vehicle going northbound. After looking through their brochure, I do like their advice for bicyclists on the road (though they still pander to the stupid sidewalk bicyclists). <http://glynncounty.org/DocumentView.asp?DID=6308> >> Though, looking at the diagram in the brochure (linked on the >> glynncounty.org site, I see a potential for a problem: [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >going eastbound and the driver of the vehicle going westbound has the >vehicle going northbound. Shows how much I know about navagating round abouts, but are you referring to cars entering the roundabout or exiting it? What I am referring to is at the north point of the round about where a northbound car wanting to exit the roundabout to continue north is going to have to cross the right lane where the westbound car is (according to the diagrams, it appears that both northbound and west bound traffic will have two lanes). According to what I have read neither car is supposed to stop in the roundabout, hence my belief that a conflict will occur. >After looking through their brochure, I do like their advice for >bicyclists on the road (though they still pander to the stupid sidewalk >bicyclists). <http://glynncounty.org/DocumentView.asp?DID=6308> I saw that part, but while that advice is legal, IMO, it is still ill-advised (remember, the laws of physics trump traffic laws). Atleast for this area, St. Simons Island is MFFY central and some of drivers would just a soon run you over as look at you. Especially in the area where this roundabout is going to be (near the airport where the MFFY's of that island park their jets). -- "The record run in oil prices is related more to speculation and a weakening dollar than supply and demand in the market. In terms of fundamentals, fear of supply reliability is overblown." --Exxon-Mobil CEO Rex Tillerson >>> If I'm reading the drawing and proposed signage correctly, Frederica >>> Rd northbound will have two lanes for straight through the roundabout >>> and Demere Rd westbound will also have two lanes straight through the >>> roundabout. ISTM, that a car northbound in the left lane on Frederica >>> is going to have a conflict with a car westbound on Demere in the >>> right lane. >> No, because the vehicle going northbound has to yield to the vehicle >> going eastbound and the driver of the vehicle going westbound has the >> vehicle going northbound. > Shows how much I know about navagating round abouts, but are you > referring to cars entering the roundabout or exiting it? I was referring to cars entering the roundabout. > What I am referring to is at the north point of the round about where a > northbound car wanting to exit the roundabout to continue north is [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > neither car is supposed to stop in the roundabout, hence my belief > that a conflict will occur. Ah ok, now I understand what you're referring to. From the brochure, the westbound car is required to take the inner lane of the roundabout in order to continue straight (if they enter the roundabout from the east or south), so the conflict you're referring to shouldn't occur. >> After looking through their brochure, I do like their advice for >> bicyclists on the road (though they still pander to the stupid sidewalk >> bicyclists). <http://glynncounty.org/DocumentView.asp?DID=6308> > I saw that part, but while that advice is legal, IMO, it is still > ill-advised (remember, the laws of physics trump traffic laws). Depending on the speed of traffic in the roundabout (which will probably be 25 mph), I don't think it's that much of a problem. In fact, I ride through a roundabout on a frequent basis (single lane, 15 mph design). The most dangerous thing I could do is to not take the lane and encourage cars to pass me. > Atleast for this area, St. Simons Island is MFFY central and some of > drivers would just a soon run you over as look at you. I haven't had a driver try to intentionally run over me in the 2 years I've been vehicular cycling. In fact, I've had drivers back down when I've shouted at them for attempting to brush pass me. > A few screwed up chicago circles: I don't see anything resembling circles at any of the three.... > http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=wolf+and+golf+roads,+IL&sll=42. 053808,-87.91013&sspn=0.001175,0.001861&ie=UTF8&ll=42.053716,-87.910243&spn=0.00 1175,0.001861&t=h&z=19 I don't see anything resembling a circle. >> A few screwed up chicago circles: > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >I don't see anything resembling a circle. google double hopped it for some damn reason.. it shows the right spot for a split second. well if google can't have their link-to-page work right there's nothing I can do about it. Guess there is... I cut the search term out of the URL: http://tinyurl.com/64jlyt http://tinyurl.com/5nm2n5 http://tinyurl.com/6cgdq7 >>> A few screwed up chicago circles: >> [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >http://tinyurl.com/5nm2n5 >http://tinyurl.com/6cgdq7 Just curious, but how well does traffic flow through that second circle (the one with 4 streets intersecting)? -- "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." --Benjamin Franklin >>Guess there is... I cut the search term out of the URL: >>http://tinyurl.com/64jlyt >>http://tinyurl.com/5nm2n5 >>http://tinyurl.com/6cgdq7 > >Just curious, but how well does traffic flow through that second >circle (the one with 4 streets intersecting)? Only been through it at night after 9pm. At worst two other vehicles besides my own so I really cannot comment how it works with real traffic. Each street is stopsigned though. >>> A few screwed up chicago circles: >> I don't see anything resembling circles at any of the three.... [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > google double hopped it for some damn reason.. it shows the right spot > for a split second. I _thought_ I saw a glimpse once! Thanks. I wonder what happened to the "circle" that used to be in Bakersfield on (then) US 99--had a statue (Junipero Serra?) in the middle that they put smudge pots around in the tule fogs to keep people from running into it since the highway from there back to Wheeler Ridge (Grapevine, actually, I guess) was as straight as a chalk-line. On Apr 24, 6:02 pm, necromancer > The end of May will see a new roundabout completed on St. Simons > Island at the intersection of Frederica and Demere Roads - the > intersection handles up to about 22,000 cars a day according to the > article. The county is even going to hold, "roundabout school," to > educate drivers on how to navagate the new intersection. CNN reports local agencies gearing up for an onslaught of missing persons/lost traveler reports. ----- - gpsman |
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