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Does he have clearance, Clarence? - 25 Apr 2008 22:16 GMT http://cbs4.com/local/MIA.airport.suspicious.2.708361.html
MIA Security Breach: Man Drives Car On Runway Apr 25, 2008 12:35 pm US/Eastern
MIAMI (CBS4) ? Airport security is no joke these days which is why Miami-Dade police took an elderly man into custody after he drove his car onto a runway at Miami International Airport on Friday morning.
According to police, a 73-year old man driving a 4-door black Chevy Cobalt, drove through the main service gate at the southeast end of the airport shortly after 8:30 a.m. The man crashed right through the entry-arm gate, which was in the down position, and raced onto airport property and onto runway 9.
"He was going at a high rate of speed we alerted our units as soon as possible and they began chase," explained MIA Security Chief Ricardo Fernandez.
The elderly driver actually drove for more than a mile on the runway before Miami-Dade police were able to take him into custody.
A security guard stationed at the service gate, along with security from the FAA tower, called police immediately after the man smashed through the gate and began driving on the runway.
"He was under surveillance from the tower at all times and security units were alerted immediately, as well as police, and he was apprehended along the runway," said Fernandez.
The identity of the elderly driver has not been released. The man is currently being detained and questioned and charges are pending.
The runway was closed for a short time but has since reopened and the incident did not affect other airport traffic.
free.tuneup@gmail.com - 25 Apr 2008 22:26 GMT On Apr 25, 4:16 pm, "Does he have clearance, Clarence?" <getthatgee...@offthe.run.way> wrote:
> http://cbs4.com/local/MIA.airport.suspicious.2.708361.html > [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > The runway was closed for a short time but has since reopened and the > incident did not affect other airport traffic. Homeland Stupidity Dept have to justify the billions spent on them,to sit around their finger up their a.s.
necromancer - 26 Apr 2008 01:48 GMT >Homeland Stupidity Dept have to justify the billions spent on them,to >sit around their finger up their a.s. DHS couldn't find their a.s with both hands, much less insert a finger.....
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Brent P - 26 Apr 2008 04:21 GMT >Homeland Stupidity Dept have to justify the billions spent on them,to >sit around their finger up their a.s. Um government benefits if someone causes havok by driving on to a runway. After all, after each fsck up bigger budgets and new departments follow.
Bert Hyman - 25 Apr 2008 22:28 GMT In news:q4i4149fpb60hi3bhp3uvte3lpv0nk2g5r@lga "Does he have clearance, Clarence?" <getthatgeezer@offthe.run.way> wrote:
> The elderly driver actually drove for more than a mile on the runway > before Miami-Dade police were able to take him into custody. Well, you know what the police say?
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Bob Fry - 26 Apr 2008 02:13 GMT >>>>> "lsdkf" == Does he have clearance <Does> writes: lsdkf> "He was going at a high rate of speed
Why do cops and reporters always say this.
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Rog' - 26 Apr 2008 05:17 GMT > lsdkf> "He was going at a high rate of speed > Why do cops and reporters always say this. Not always. Remember to OJ chase? True story... Deputy: "I charged your client with Fleeing & Attempting to Elude because, after I turned on my blue lights and siren, he ran thru several stop signs and refused to stop." Attorney: "How do you know that he knew it was he who you were trying to stop?" Deputy: "I was right on his tail and there was no other traffic." Attorney: "How fast was he going?" Deputy: "His highest speed was about 30 MPH." Attorney: "Did you call for backup?" Deputy: "No. I knew he would stop when he got home."
Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS - 26 Apr 2008 16:58 GMT > http://cbs4.com/local/MIA.airport.suspicious.2.708361.html > [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > The runway was closed for a short time but has since reopened and the > incident did not affect other airport traffic. This crazy dangerous old nut should have his license taken away permanently. And if caught driving, lock him up forever.
Angelo Campanella - 26 Apr 2008 17:29 GMT >>The identity of the elderly driver has not been released. The man is >>currently being detained and questioned and charges are pending. >>The runway was closed for a short time but has since reopened and the >>incident did not affect other airport traffic. > This crazy dangerous old nut should have his license taken away > permanently. And if caught driving, lock him up forever. You got it wrong.
The largest threat is tha the security folks might have opened fire and shot a few folks. Since the vehicle was under full surveulance by the tower personnel, they sensibly let it play out while keeping aircraft out of the way. The possibility that it was also a car bomb was moot as long as it was clear of aircraft and occupied buildings, which seems to be the case. He coud have been lost, drunk, or on drugs, or just "sowing his wild oats"; the last hurrah!
Ang. C.
Ad absurdum per aspera - 26 Apr 2008 18:25 GMT > > This crazy dangerous old nut should have his license taken away > > permanently. And if caught driving, lock him up forever. > You got it wrong. You got the resident troll on rec.autos.driving (one wonders if he even has a car and/or a driver's license) with his standard reaction to any transgression. But never mind that.
> The largest threat is tha the security folks might have opened fire and > shot a few folks. > The possibility that it was also a car bomb was moot as long as it was > clear of aircraft and occupied buildings, which seems to be the case. Sounds well handled to me. Had anybody but a well trained rifleman opened fire against the driver, the few people they'd have hit probably wouldn't have included the intruder anyway. As is unfortunately familiar from checkpoints in war zones. stopping a *vehicle* moving at nontrivial speed with small arms fire isn't nearly as easy as in the movies.
What they were standing ready to do if necessary, but chose not to do and didn't see fit to tell anybody about, is another excellent question.
It is fortunate that he didn't get onto an active runway at a place and moment when a plane could *almost* reject a takeoff or landing. There is a tiny but real probability that that could turn into a real meatball for everyone concerned (and a rather higher risk of a closed casket funeral for the ground vehicle). People who are supposed to be driving around inside the fence at airports usually have most or all of: training, a cheat sheet on the dashboard, yellow flashing lights on the roof, a red-and-white checkered flag, and a radio with which to talk to the tower. And blundering onto the active probably gets them some new career options.
I doubt that even the security force at the airport gets to do *that* without clearance. Much too easy to get into a situation where the last thing that goes through your mind is a nosewheel.
> He coud have been lost, drunk, or on drugs, or just "sowing his wild oats," the last hurrah! One always wonders about medical problems (regular or self inflicted) when something like that happens. (A high-speed, no-evident-attempt- to-stop tollboth accident in New Jersey a year or so ago, caught on video, is one of several examples that come to mind.) The normal response to punching a crossarm would be to stop and say, "ah, s." within a few moments. If you keep going, either you're intentionally behaving wrongly and badly, or there's something badly wrong. Heart attack? stroke? diabetic crisis? Plenty of reasons one might think of, some of them pretty innocent.
Cheers, --Joe
paul - 26 Apr 2008 18:55 GMT ahhh, the joys of living in South Florida. Never a dull day thanks to the geezers. When it isn't some little old Jewish lady plowing her Crown Victoria through the bank lobby it's some old dude mowing down the customers at Walgreens with his Lincoln Continental on his way to pick up his Viagra refill.
>http://cbs4.com/local/MIA.airport.suspicious.2.708361.html > [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] >The runway was closed for a short time but has since reopened and the >incident did not affect other airport traffic. California Poppy - 26 Apr 2008 19:12 GMT Does anyone but me object to the fact that they called a 73-year-old "elderly". We are about to elect a 71-year-old president which seems old to me, but I had thought of "elderly" as those in their 80's and 90's.
Brent P - 26 Apr 2008 20:06 GMT >Does anyone but me object to the fact that they called a 73-year-old >"elderly". We are about to elect a 71-year-old president which seems >old to me, but I had thought of "elderly" as those in their 80's and >90's. McCain's problem is not his age, its his sanity.
Rog' - 26 Apr 2008 20:48 GMT > McCain's problem is not his age, its his sanity. Yeah, but he's got a blond-bombshell of a wife who was a Southern Cal cheerleader and owns (inherited) an Anheuser-Busch distributor. I'm going to vote Dem this year, but if we voted based on spouses, I'd go with the looker.
Brent P - 26 Apr 2008 23:33 GMT >> McCain's problem is not his age, its his sanity. > >Yeah, but he's got a blond-bombshell of a wife who was a Southern >Cal cheerleader and owns (inherited) an Anheuser-Busch distributor. Jesse Jackson conned his way into a distributorship.....
>I'm going to vote Dem this year, but if we voted based on spouses, >I'd go with the looker. Like the dems are significantly different on anything.... less likely to throw nukes in a fit of rage I suppose....
necromancer - 27 Apr 2008 00:44 GMT >Like the dems are significantly different on anything.... less likely to >throw nukes in a fit of rage I suppose.... Or to invade sovergn nations with no justification....
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Brent P - 27 Apr 2008 01:48 GMT >>Like the dems are significantly different on anything.... less likely to >>throw nukes in a fit of rage I suppose.... > >Or to invade sovergn nations with no justification.... All three TV-approved canidates are willing to do that. They just promise to give up on Iraq, however they have no problem with military intervention.
Brent P - 27 Apr 2008 01:49 GMT >>>Like the dems are significantly different on anything.... less likely to >>>throw nukes in a fit of rage I suppose.... >> >>Or to invade sovergn nations with no justification.... > >All three TV-approved canidates are willing to do that. They (the two democrats) just
>promise to give up on Iraq, however they have no problem with military >intervention. correction in ()'s
mrtravel - 02 May 2008 10:14 GMT >>>Like the dems are significantly different on anything.... less likely to >>>throw nukes in a fit of rage I suppose.... [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > promise to give up on Iraq, however they have no problem with military > intervention. McCain gave up on Iraq?
Matthew T. Russotto - 27 Apr 2008 05:01 GMT >Like the dems are significantly different on anything.... less likely to >throw nukes in a fit of rage I suppose.... So far, the only nuke-thrower has been a Democrat. Give 'em hell, Harry!
Personally I'd put Hillary as "most likely to throw a nuke in a fit of rage".
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MLOM - 27 Apr 2008 05:14 GMT On Apr 26, 11:01 pm, russo...@grace.speakeasy.net (Matthew T. Russotto) wrote:
> In article <9KidnZTYCuQmMI7VnZ2dnUVZ_tLin...@comcast.com>, > > >Like the dems are significantly different on anything.... less likely to > >throw nukes in a fit of rage I suppose.... > > So far, the only nuke-thrower has been a Democrat. Give 'em hell, Harry! Good point, Matthew. This posted from Harry's home metro area. :)
Not only that but the Democrat did it twice!
> Personally I'd put Hillary as "most likely to throw a nuke in a fit of > rage". > -- LOL. Given her age (60 or 61) PMS would be an unlikely excuse. :^P
Brent P - 27 Apr 2008 06:16 GMT >>Like the dems are significantly different on anything.... less likely to >>throw nukes in a fit of rage I suppose.... [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >Personally I'd put Hillary as "most likely to throw a nuke in a fit of >rage". She's got that whole thing about prooving she is as tough as a man going on... I still think McCain's PTSD insanity wins out though. IMO the only hope the USA has right now is McCain having a fatal heart attack or something leaving Ron Paul with the nomination. Of course if the national party is anything like the Illinois one they'll nominate Alan Keyes to go up against Obama ;)
Bertie the Bunyip - 26 Apr 2008 20:58 GMT California Poppy <GoldenStatePoppy@aol.com> wrote in news:a2e2fb4f-c448- 416e-bf6a-37dc2e8d9dac@v23g2000pro.googlegroups.com:
> Does anyone but me object to the fact that they called a 73-year-old > "elderly". We are about to elect a 71-year-old president Other old farts probably.
And don't count your chickens. I wouldn't put that fjukkwit in charge of an ice cream stand.
Bertie
Chairman Cow - 28 Apr 2008 06:29 GMT In article <fv01gm$nn0$1@blackhelicopter.databasix.com>, Bertie the Bunyip says...
> California Poppy <GoldenStatePoppy@aol.com> wrote in news:a2e2fb4f-c448- > 416e-bf6a-37dc2e8d9dac@v23g2000pro.googlegroups.com: [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > And don't count your chickens. I wouldn't put that fjukkwit in charge of an > ice cream stand. And I wouldn't put either of the other two in charge of holding up the sign for the stand down at the corner.
And we let them do it to us. The last real choice we had was prolly Ray-gun / Carter. Since then its all been corporate clones.
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Bertie the Bunyip - 28 Apr 2008 06:32 GMT > In article <fv01gm$nn0$1@blackhelicopter.databasix.com>, Bertie the > Bunyip says... [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > And we let them do it to us. The last real choice we had was prolly > Ray-gun / Carter. Since then its all been corporate clones. Yeh, i';d have to go along with you on that. Too bad Pat Paulson isn't around. I might write him in anyway...
Bertie
Brian - 27 Apr 2008 23:31 GMT >Does anyone but me object to the fact that they called a 73-year-old >"elderly". We are about to elect a 71-year-old president which seems >old to me, but I had thought of "elderly" as those in their 80's and >90's. I've seen newspaper references calling people elderly when they were in their mid 50's.
MLOM - 28 Apr 2008 04:05 GMT > On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 11:12:33 -0700 (PDT), California Poppy > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > I've seen newspaper references calling people elderly when they were > in their mid 50's. Even worse: I have classmates who have grandchildren, and I'm 5-1/2 years short of the big five-ought. At my age, when I'm in a club and an attractive lady strikes up a conversation, she's likely trying to set me up with her divorced mother. :^P
Jean Smith - 28 Apr 2008 06:17 GMT In article <bbea6ec8-8410-4645-9141-4338589dcd84@b5g2000pri.googlegroups.com>,
> > On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 11:12:33 -0700 (PDT), California Poppy > > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > an attractive lady strikes up a conversation, she's likely trying to > set me up with her divorced mother. :^P Think they'll pull his pilots license?
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ChrisCoaster - 27 Apr 2008 15:02 GMT On Apr 25, 5:16 pm, "Does he have clearance, Clarence?" <getthatgee...@offthe.run.way> wrote:
> http://cbs4.com/local/MIA.airport.suspicious.2.708361.html > [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > The runway was closed for a short time but has since reopened and the > incident did not affect other airport traffic. _______________________ Chevy Cobalt? 757 or larger rolls over that, the pilot & passengers wouldn't feel more than a usual bump on the runway!
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