Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / Driving / May 2008
Open letter to drivers
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Nate Nagel - 02 May 2008 22:54 GMT Dear DC area fuckw^H^H^H^H^Hdriver,
Your vehicle is not equipped with directional signals on its side. Therefore, when you are planning on forcing your way in front of me, I have no indication whatsoever of your intentions unless I can actually see the lights with which your vehicle *is* equipped. Please keep this in mind and pull far enough in front of my car that I can actually see your rear light cluster.
Thank you for your cooperation.
nate
PS - A green light is traditionally a signal to proceed forward. PPS - There is a difference between the different lanes of a freeway. Please feel free to respond if you require an explanation.
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Ad absurdum per aspera - 03 May 2008 02:06 GMT > Your vehicle is not equipped with directional signals on its side. ...although there's no good reason why it shouldn't be. Mercedes and a few others had that feature when I was knee-high to a spare tire, and some of today's vehicles have an IMHO better implementation -- hidden behind the face of, or better yet built into the outboard edge of, the mirrors.
Of course, that doesn't mean there's time and room for the maneuver being signaled. They still have to think far enough ahead to identify and get into a suitable gap, and this is beyond some drivers.
Many of whom use the turn signal more as a victory dance than as an announcement or request, anyway. (If they use it at all, and if they have checked in recent years to see if its bulbs have burned out...)
--Joe
N8N - 07 May 2008 16:18 GMT On May 2, 9:06 pm, Ad absurdum per aspera <jtc...@california.com> wrote:
> > Your vehicle is not equipped with directional signals on its side. > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > identify and get into a suitable gap, and this is beyond some > drivers. I'm not talking about those people, I'm talking about people who wish to change lanes in heavy traffic when no gap exists, who are using their signals as a request for someone to open a gap for them. Seems to be happening to me more and more recently, car will draw abreast of me or slightly ahead, driver wishes to change lanes in front of me so flips on signal. What he doesn't realize is that his signal is hidden by my A-pillar and or driver's door so he thinks I'm blocking him out, then moves over forcing me to brake hard, when I finally see that he's had his signal on. Usually accompanied by a hand gesture that I assume means "you're number one!"
Of course, I don't have any other cues that they're wishing to change lanes, as this generally happens when there's a whole mess of lanes of traffic all moving in the same direction at about the same (slow) speed.
> Many of whom use the turn signal more as a victory dance than as an > announcement or request, anyway. (If they use it at all, and if they > have checked in recent years to see if its bulbs have burned out...) Doesn't bother me so much as long as there's room for them to move in front of me. I've had people cut me off without signalling at all with only inches to spare...
And then of course there's the jackasses that will wait until the last possible moment to exit, because through traffic is moving faster than the exit that splits off to the right, so they'll stay in the rightmost through lane until they're almost to the gore and then stop dead and sit there with their blinker on until some "nice" person lets them in. Despite the fact that the split was signed 3/4 of a mile back. Oh for a hood mounted RPG launcher. I usually get stuck behind at least 2-3 of these a.sholes every day as in the specific location I'm thinking of I want to take the very next exit after the split so I'm also in the rightmost through lane.
nate
gpsman - 07 May 2008 18:16 GMT > I'm not talking about those people, I'm talking about people who wish > to change lanes in heavy traffic when no gap exists, who are using > their signals as a request for someone to open a gap for them. I guess you've never done that...?
> Seems > to be happening to me more and more recently, car will draw abreast of [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > then moves over forcing me to brake hard, when I finally see that he's > had his signal on. Now THAT'S funny!
> Usually accompanied by a hand gesture that I > assume means "you're number one!" A guess at your IQ, possibly...?
> Of course, I don't have any other cues that they're wishing to change > lanes, Cue Scott and/or Brent to explain how they know what is going through the minds of their fellow drivers.
> Doesn't bother me so much as long as there's room for them to move in > front of me. Perhaps you can devise a signal for drivers to indicate they wish for the driver to their front to increase their distance of precedence.
Other than that, the solution seems completely out of reach.
> I've had people cut me off without signalling at all > with only inches to spare... [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > them in. Despite the fact that the split was signed 3/4 of a mile > back. Damn those "sloths", always f.cking up traffic. -----
- gpsman
N8N - 07 May 2008 18:43 GMT > > I'm not talking about those people, I'm talking about people who wish > > to change lanes in heavy traffic when no gap exists, who are using > > their signals as a request for someone to open a gap for them. > > I guess you've never done that...? No, no I haven't, because even that alone, even if done "correctly" is rude and a sign of poor driving or situational awareness.
The rest of your troll spew was ignored, unread, and will continue to be treated in a similar manner from here on out unless/until you can start posting something 1) relevant and 2) intelligent.
nate
gpsman - 08 May 2008 01:30 GMT > > > I'm not talking about those people, I'm talking about people who wish > > > to change lanes in heavy traffic when no gap exists, who are using [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > No, no I haven't, Never...?!
> because even that alone, even if done "correctly" is > rude and a sign of poor driving or situational awareness. Said the guy who won't leave a gap large enough to comfortably accommodate a single vehicle.
> The rest of your troll spew was ignored, unread, Occam's Razor suggests you're either so stupid you think a simple question is "troll spew", or you're lying.
No, wait, it suggests both.
> and will continue to > be treated in a similar manner from here on out unless/until you can > start posting something 1) relevant and 2) intelligent. Boo hoo.
Beyond posting any drivel you consider driving expertise, your further participation is no longer required.
Here we see your pitiful attempt at ad hominem, then further avoidance of any relevant issue.
Not your fault, huh? -----
- gpsman
Nate Nagel - 08 May 2008 01:51 GMT (troll, troll, troll your boat)
Hey fuckwit, don't you get it? Nobody takes your crap seriously. Your act is stale. No fish are biting today.
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gpsman - 08 May 2008 02:50 GMT > (troll, troll, troll your boat) > > Hey fuckwit, don't you get it? Nobody takes your crap seriously. Except you...?
> Your act is stale. No fish are biting today. Except you...?!
Does the irony of "fish" responding to a troll's troll to call "Troll!" escape you?
I guess we see things differently. When I see a fish respond to a troll with "Troll!", I see an idiot who is either lying, they don't consider the "accused" a troll, or they're too stupid to put the troll in their killfile.
You seem to see it as a witty and insightful riposte.
C'est la vie.
AAR, you seem confused. The point is not to elicit responses, it's just to illuminate that you do not know sh.t about driving and often blame others for the "problems" you experience that are mostly of your own making.
For an example of how to discourage people from changing lanes too close to your front for comfort while driving in slow traffic see: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2793026662356344647
Again, after your initial post your participation becomes completely unnecessary, I'll take it from there. Then, what else really needs to be said?
Ad hominem, changing/avoiding the subject... those aren't effective arguments so I don't see why you even bother. -----
- gpsman
Nate Nagel - 08 May 2008 12:27 GMT >>(troll, troll, troll your boat) >> >>Hey fuckwit, don't you get it? Nobody takes your crap seriously. > > Except you...? No, not even I. I find it hard to believe that even you take the crap you post seriously, it's so ludicrously nonsensical. Which prompts the question, why bother?
(rest skipped, unread.)
nate
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Eeyore - 03 May 2008 02:31 GMT > Dear DC area fuckw^H^H^H^H^Hdriver, > > Your vehicle is not equipped with directional signals on its side. You don't have 'repeaters' in the USA ? Sigh.
Graham
. - 03 May 2008 03:49 GMT >> Dear DC area fuckw^H^H^H^H^Hdriver, >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Graham A backward lot aren't they! Still don't have E-code headlights either.
Motorhead Lawyer - 07 May 2008 20:45 GMT > A backward lot aren't they! Still don't have E-code headlights either. Who doesn't? I do. =:^P -- C.R. Krieger
N8N - 07 May 2008 21:26 GMT > > A backward lot aren't they! Still don't have E-code headlights either. > > Who doesn't? I do. =:^P > -- > C.R. Krieger Me too! Two sets! :)
nate
Jim Yanik - 03 May 2008 02:53 GMT > Dear DC area fuckw^H^H^H^H^Hdriver, > > Your vehicle is not equipped with directional signals on its side. 8-) many newer vehicles DO have side turn signals....some on the outside rearview mirrors,that are visible from the side,front and rear.
> Therefore, when you are planning on forcing your way in front of me, I > have no indication whatsoever of your intentions unless I can actually > see the lights with which your vehicle *is* equipped. Often,you can tell a car is going to change lanes because they drift/edge over,and maybe the driver is checking their rear view mirror(but not looking to their immediate left or right! Particularly SUVs and PU's.)
> Please keep this > in mind and pull far enough in front of my car that I can actually see [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > PPS - There is a difference between the different lanes of a freeway. > Please feel free to respond if you require an explanation.
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Timothy J. Lee - 03 May 2008 05:29 GMT >many newer vehicles DO have side turn signals....some on the outside >rearview mirrors,that are visible from the side,front and rear. Of course, the presence of turn signals on a vehicle does not mean that they will be used.
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Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS - 03 May 2008 17:23 GMT > Dear DC area fuckw^H^H^H^H^Hdriver, > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > nate STOP TELLING PEOPLE HOW TO DRIVE, YOU GODDAM HIGHWAY NAZI.!!!!!!!!!!
Larrybud - 05 May 2008 01:01 GMT >> Dear DC area fuckw^H^H^H^H^Hdriver, >> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > STOP TELLING PEOPLE HOW TO DRIVE, YOU GODDAM HIGHWAY > NAZI.!!!!!!!!!! LOL! Pot, meet kettle.
Studemania - 04 May 2008 08:42 GMT > Dear DC area fuckw^H^H^H^H^Hdriver, > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > -- > replace "roosters" with "cox" to reply.http://members.cox.net/njnagel Nate, you will probably remember that this was one of the many reasons I like driving in GB more than driving here. (The most important is that they learn how to drive, not just how to pass the test.) And some Germans come to GB t take that test as a rial before the one in their own nation.
The bad point is that anyone can come in with a Commonwealth license and swap it for a GB one. DL is good to the age of 70, if you maintain a clean driving record, and a note from your GP annually thereafter will do, with a clean record.)
One man 100 yeaars old drove 50+ miles to work twice a week and still had a clean sheet of paper (It may have been about the size of a pillow case). New photo licences are credit-card size.
Larrybud - 05 May 2008 00:59 GMT > Dear DC area fuckw^H^H^H^H^Hdriver, > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > *is* equipped. Please keep this in mind and pull far enough in > front of my car that I can actually see your rear light cluster. I had a guy flip ME off when he was trying to cut in front of me and get into a right turn lane without using his signals. When he finally just decided to cut me off and wedge himself between me and the car in front (requiring me to slam on my brakes so I didn't get clipped in front), I got the one finger salute. Apparently my lack of psychic ability made me an a.shole.
Brent P - 05 May 2008 01:38 GMT > I had a guy flip ME off when he was trying to cut in front of me and > get into a right turn lane without using his signals. When he > finally just decided to cut me off and wedge himself between me and > the car in front (requiring me to slam on my brakes so I didn't get > clipped in front), I got the one finger salute. Apparently my lack > of psychic ability made me an a.shole. Sounds like this morning... guy in front of me makes a right at stop sign, so do I. He's slothing so I signal and move into the left lane and begin accelerating. When I am a few feet from the sloth's bumper he just slothily changes lanes without signal.... I use the horn... he flips me off and completes the lane change forcing me to brake. So I down shift, change lanes right, pass him and move back into the left for my up coming left hand turn and the a.shole flips me off again... When he passes me when I am in the left turn lane he flips me off again.
Scott in SoCal - 05 May 2008 14:28 GMT >Sounds like this morning... guy in front of me makes a right at stop >sign, so do I. He's slothing so I signal and move into the left lane and [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >coming left hand turn and the a.shole flips me off again... When he >passes me when I am in the left turn lane he flips me off again. Sloth really hates it when they can't force everyone else to be as Slothy as they are.
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Studemania - 06 May 2008 23:23 GMT > > Dear DC area fuckw^H^H^H^H^Hdriver, > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > clipped in front), I got the one finger salute. Apparently my lack > of psychic ability made me an a.shole. A lot of folks don't realize how easy it is to check turn signals. I expect that some cars don' have loud enough clickers, though.
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