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Long-awaited electric sports car rolls out

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Alexander Rogge - 05 May 2008 09:11 GMT
http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/05/03/electric.car.ap/index.html

> The car goes from 0 to 60 mph in just under four seconds and tops out at 125 mph. It goes 225 miles on one charge and can be fully recharged in 3½ hours, which Tesla officials say should allow most people to drive it to work and back and recharge it at night like a cell phone.
Scott in SoCal - 05 May 2008 14:50 GMT
>http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/05/03/electric.car.ap/index.html
>
>> The car goes from 0 to 60 mph in just under four seconds and tops
>out at 125 mph. It goes 225 miles on one charge and can be fully
>recharged in 3½ hours

Sounds like the ideal commuter car. However, for the same price, I
could buy myself a ZR-1. Guess which one I'm choosing?

Let me know when the price drops by 2/3.
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Bill - 06 May 2008 05:15 GMT
>>http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/05/03/electric.car.ap/index.html
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> Let me know when the price drops by 2/3.

<shaking head that there are still people out there buying GM's crap>

- B
Scott in SoCal - 06 May 2008 14:31 GMT
>>>http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/05/03/electric.car.ap/index.html
>>>
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>> Sounds like the ideal commuter car. However, for the same price, I
>> could buy myself a ZR-1. Guess which one I'm choosing?

><shaking head that there are still people out there buying GM's crap>

#1 It's orders of magnitude better than Ford's crap.
#2 Show me a Japanese car with 400 HP that sells for the Corvette's
base price. Or a German car with 638 HP that will cost me less than a
ZR-1.
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Brent P - 06 May 2008 17:19 GMT
> #1 It's orders of magnitude better than Ford's crap.

Not general product line to general product line. The corvette is an
exception to the GM rule and you know it.

> #2 Show me a Japanese car with 400 HP that sells for the Corvette's
> base price. Or a German car with 638 HP that will cost me less than a
> ZR-1.

I encountered an asshat in GT500 sunday... too bad the battries had gone
dead in the camera. Guy couldn't drive it.
Scott in SoCal - 07 May 2008 03:39 GMT
>> #1 It's orders of magnitude better than Ford's crap.
>
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>I encountered an asshat in GT500 sunday... too bad the battries had gone
>dead in the camera. Guy couldn't drive it.

Invest in a cigarette lighter power cord. :)
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Brent P - 07 May 2008 04:05 GMT
>>> #1 It's orders of magnitude better than Ford's crap.
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> Invest in a cigarette lighter power cord. :)

It's not a 12V camera. It runs on 3V DC. I don't feel like making a
transformer for it.
MLOM - 07 May 2008 04:12 GMT
On May 6, 10:05 pm, Brent P <tetraethylleadREMOVET...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

> >>> #1 It's orders of magnitude better than Ford's crap.
>
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>
> - Show quoted text -

I'm sure a store which sells your model of camera would have an
adapter available for use in a cigarette lighter.  I was able to get
one for mine.  It shouldn't burn you for more than $20.
Brent P - 07 May 2008 04:26 GMT
> On May 6, 10:05 pm, Brent P <tetraethylleadREMOVET...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
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> adapter available for use in a cigarette lighter.  I was able to get
> one for mine.  It shouldn't burn you for more than $20.

The camera was a cheap one I got on amazon. It doesn't have a power
jack. To power it from the car I would have to make it. It's not that
difficult of a project, but the rechargable batteries have worked for
the most part. It just seems when I lose track of replacing them and
they go dead that's when something happens. Same with when the memory
fills up or I forget to bring it.

Although those u-tube videos scott linked the other day have a lot of
stuff I don't even consider worth saving.
Eeyore - 07 May 2008 10:02 GMT
> SoCal <scottenaztlan@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>
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> It's not a 12V camera. It runs on 3V DC. I don't feel like making a
> transformer for it.

Transformers don't work on DC anyway !

Graham
Brent P - 07 May 2008 13:45 GMT
>> SoCal <scottenaztlan@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >>
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> Transformers don't work on DC anyway !

Shove your semantic nit-pick up your a.s. Transformer and converter are
often used interchangeably.

So much so... that... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Converter
""voltage converter", another name for electromagnetic transformer"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voltage_converter
"A voltage converter or a power supply may be called a "transformer"
even if it does not contain an actual transformer as the term is used in
electronics."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transformer
http://www.thomasnet.com/products/transformers-dc-to-dc-87060307-1.html
http://www.powerdesigners.com/InfoWeb/design_center/articles/DC-DC/converter.shtm
Scott in SoCal - 08 May 2008 02:48 GMT
>>> SoCal <scottenaztlan@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> >>
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>even if it does not contain an actual transformer as the term is used in
>electronics."

Looks like Brent has more electronics knowledge than meets the eye. :)
:) :)
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Eeyore - 08 May 2008 03:15 GMT
> >>> SoCal <scottenaztlan@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>> >>
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> Looks like Brent has more electronics knowledge than meets the eye. :)
> :) :)

Shame he doesn't use it then !

The idea that a 'transformer' can be used on DC is total fuckwittery. But then
again we westerners don't give a sh.t for real knowledge, education or skill any
more. This is why the Asians are taking over world manufacturing of course as we
dumb ourselves down into some form of ignorant bliss.

Graham
Brent P - 08 May 2008 03:56 GMT
>> >>> SoCal <scottenaztlan@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >>> >>
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> more. This is why the Asians are taking over world manufacturing of course as we
> dumb ourselves down into some form of ignorant bliss.

You know what the f.ck was meant by it, and it's common f.cking usage as
I proved. Why don't you go torch a speed camera or something useful like
that?  

And if you think the 'asians' are exacting in their language of
describing parts, sub-assemblies and other components you've never dealt
with them.

The reason 'the asians' are 'taking over world manufacturing' is because
other than Japan (where things are done well for the most part, but
with their own style as with europe or the US) they are exploiting cheap
labor and cutting corners. People laughed at me when I said that over a
decade ago. When their dog dies of kidney failure from a classic Chinese
material subsitution in the dog food they are all up in arms.
Scott in SoCal - 08 May 2008 14:34 GMT
>> >>> SoCal <scottenaztlan@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >>> >>
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>
>The idea that a 'transformer' can be used on DC is total fuckwittery.

It gets the idea across.

Stop being such a nitpicker.
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Matthew T. Russotto - 08 May 2008 20:05 GMT
>The idea that a 'transformer' can be used on DC is total fuckwittery.

It's sloppy terminology that no self-respecting electrical engineer
would use.  But calling a device which combines a chopper, a
transformer, and a rectifier (among other things) a "transformer" when
it does something analagous to what a real transformer does is not
surprising for a lay person.

>But then again we westerners don't give a sh.t for real knowledge,
>education or skill any more. This is why the Asians are taking over
>world manufacturing of course as we dumb ourselves down into some
>form of ignorant bliss.

No.  Asians are taking over world manufacturing because they work
cheap.  It doesn't take a huge amount of general knowledge to do most
manufacturing jobs; what's needed is task-specific knowledge, which is
provided by training.
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Brent P - 08 May 2008 03:19 GMT
> Looks like Brent has more electronics knowledge than meets the eye. :)
>:) :)

I built my first simple circuits (battery, lightbulb, switch type stuff)
when I was 6, Scott. just lighted up lego creations and the like... Of
course that only expanded as I got older.

When I was working in consumer electronics the mechanical teams got sh*t
upon and the EE's pawned off all sorts of parts and issues to mechanical
responsibility. The real fun part was finding mechanical solutions to
electrical problems. :)

You probably won't believe this, but at one point in time I could even
solder tiny little SMT parts.
Scott in SoCal - 08 May 2008 14:41 GMT
>> Looks like Brent has more electronics knowledge than meets the eye. :)
>>:) :)
>
>I built my first simple circuits (battery, lightbulb, switch type stuff)
>when I was 6, Scott. just lighted up lego creations and the like... Of
>course that only expanded as I got older.

I had similar beginnings. When my age was still in the single digits,
I wired a second speaker that I found in the garbage onto my monaural
record player to make a "stereo" record player. :)

My grandfather encouraged my interest in electronics by buying me a
soldering iron, needle-nose pliers, a solderless breadboard, etc. My
first circuit employed a 7490 decade counter and a 7447 seven-segment
display driver. Anything more complicated than that, however, never
seemed to work correctly for me, even after I took an electronics
class in high school.

That's when I knew software was the career for me. :)

>You probably won't believe this, but at one point in time I could even
>solder tiny little SMT parts.

And then you lost your eyesight?
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Brent P - 08 May 2008 20:53 GMT
>>> Looks like Brent has more electronics knowledge than meets the eye. :)
>>>:) :)
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>>You probably won't believe this, but at one point in time I could even
>>solder tiny little SMT parts.

> And then you lost your eyesight?

A) The soldering iron I did it with was property of a former employer.
B) It's the kind of thing that takes frequent practice and often one of
those large magnifying glasses with the lamp attached. It looks like an
ugly desk lamp.

A grain of rice is several times larger than some of the parts I
soldered. Although those tinyest of parts I didn't have the greatest
success rate with.
Matthew T. Russotto - 10 May 2008 01:48 GMT
>A) The soldering iron I did it with was property of a former employer.
>B) It's the kind of thing that takes frequent practice and often one of
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>soldered. Although those tinyest of parts I didn't have the greatest
>success rate with.

Soldering a surface-mount resistor with a cheap-a.s radio shack
soldering iron and no visual aids can be done.  I don't recommend it
at all, and forget about it for ICs.

At work with a confocal microscope (a step above the big magnifier,
which we also have), temperature-controlled fine-tip soldering irons,
lots of tweezer-type implements, and a flux pen, it's almost too
easy.  Until you get into the _really_ fine parts... then I ask one of
the experts to do it.
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Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS - 07 May 2008 19:49 GMT
> http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/05/03/electric.car.ap/index.html
>
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>> people to drive it to work and back and recharge it at night like a
>> cell phone.

Isn't that insane?  To save gas we need cars with a top speed of 60 mph and
only capable of modest acceleration.
Dave - 08 May 2008 11:28 GMT
>> http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/05/03/electric.car.ap/index.html
>>
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> and
> only capable of modest acceleration.

OK, I'm surprised nobody has pointed this out yet.  This is an insanely
stupid statement, even for Aunt Judy.  To save gas, we need to limit our
all-electric vehicles to 60MPH.  Brilliant.  -Dave
HarryNadds - 08 May 2008 19:17 GMT
> >>http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/05/03/electric.car.ap/index.html
>
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> stupid statement, even for Aunt Judy.  To save gas, we need to limit our
> all-electric vehicles to 60MPH.  Brilliant.  -Dave

But,But,But it would save gas??
 
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