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Hillary Clinton Gives Driving Advice

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Scott in SoCal - 07 May 2008 05:04 GMT
"To go forward, you put it in 'D'; to go backward, you put it in 'R'."

Pure genius. I'm ready to let her "drive" the country; aren't you?
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necromancer - 07 May 2008 09:24 GMT
> "To go forward, you put it in 'D'; to go backward, you put it in 'R'."
>
> Pure genius. I'm ready to let her "drive" the country; aren't you?

Compared to the current, "driver," she can't do any worse.....

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Larrybud - 08 May 2008 01:24 GMT
>> "To go forward, you put it in 'D'; to go backward, you put it
>> in 'R'."
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>
> Compared to the current, "driver," she can't do any worse.....

Of course she could.  She could be taking twice your earnings what
they take from you now.
necromancer - 08 May 2008 02:26 GMT
>>> "To go forward, you put it in 'D'; to go backward, you put it
>>> in 'R'."
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>Of course she could.  She could be taking twice your earnings what
>they take from you now.

It doesn't really matter which one gets elected (clinton, obama or
mccain), taxes (or maybe more appropriately, tax revenues) are going
to have to go up to pay for all the messes that the current
administration has created - first and fore most being the massive
amount of debt we have run up to pay for that blunder in Iraq. A good
chunk of which is held by foreign entities. Maybe the government can
defaut on what it owes the citizens of the US, but tell creditors like
China, "tough luck," and we will be in deep deep sh.t.  

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Larrybud - 08 May 2008 03:07 GMT
>>>> "To go forward, you put it in 'D'; to go backward, you put it
>>>> in 'R'."
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> citizens of the US, but tell creditors like China, "tough luck,"
> and we will be in deep deep sh.t.  

Debt doesn't necessarily have to be repaid.  Depends on the GDP
and the percentage of debt to GDP.  We're surprisingly low right
now.  Of course, when the boomers retire and SS had 3 workers for
every dependant, it might be a different story.

2nd, China still depends on us more than we depends on them.
Matthew T. Russotto - 08 May 2008 19:54 GMT
>> "To go forward, you put it in 'D'; to go backward, you put it in 'R'."
>>
>> Pure genius. I'm ready to let her "drive" the country; aren't you?
>
>Compared to the current, "driver," she can't do any worse.....

Don't give her a challenge like that!!!

Though I think she won't get into office.  The Ds look ready to choose
Obama, and Obama probably won't win the general election -- his
strengths against Hillary are where the Republicans have basically no
chance anyway.
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Nate Nagel - 09 May 2008 01:59 GMT
>>>"To go forward, you put it in 'D'; to go backward, you put it in 'R'."
>>>
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> strengths against Hillary are where the Republicans have basically no
> chance anyway.

Are you kidding?  Who in their right mind would vote for a Republican
who isn't willing to make a clean break from Bush's policies after the
last eight years?  At this point I'm thinking "anyone but McCain."

It doesn't help matters that McCain has basically turned his back on all
of his positions and statements that made him in any way appealing in
the first place.

nate

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Scott in SoCal - 09 May 2008 03:27 GMT
>> Though I think she won't get into office.  The Ds look ready to choose
>> Obama, and Obama probably won't win the general election -- his
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>who isn't willing to make a clean break from Bush's policies after the
>last eight years?  

The same dumbshits who voted for Bush 4 years ago, that's who.

>At this point I'm thinking "anyone but McCain."

All intelligent people are. The problem is, a la "Idiocracy," there
aren't enough intelligent people left in this country.
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Brent P - 09 May 2008 04:32 GMT
>>> Though I think she won't get into office.  The Ds look ready to choose
>>> Obama, and Obama probably won't win the general election -- his
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>>who isn't willing to make a clean break from Bush's policies after the
>>last eight years?  

> The same dumbshits who voted for Bush 4 years ago, that's who.

All the people who are wrapped up in the 'team' concept of politics.
They really don't care that there is nothing conservative about the
policies, just the (R) after the name.

>>At this point I'm thinking "anyone but McCain."

> All intelligent people are. The problem is, a la "Idiocracy," there
> aren't enough intelligent people left in this country.

Given the three media approved choices, I really don't see any
significant difference. All interventionalist, nanny/police state,
pro-federal reserve, types. They just promise somewhat different
interventions, nannisms, etc...

sooner or later the laws of economics will destroy the dollar and the
empire will have to end. Trouble is, it probably will take us all with
it.

BTW, the federal reserve is now accepting credit card debt.... lol.
necromancer - 09 May 2008 13:11 GMT
>All the people who are wrapped up in the 'team' concept of politics.
>They really don't care that there is nothing conservative about the
>policies, just the (R) after the name.

Like lemmings to the cliff, I take it?

>>>At this point I'm thinking "anyone but McCain."
>
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>sooner or later the laws of economics will destroy the dollar and the
>empire will have to end.

I wish I was in de land ob cotton,
Old times dar am not forgotten;
Look away! Look away! Look away! Dixie Land.
In Dixie Land whar I was born in,
Early on one frosty mornin,
Look away! Look away! Look away! Dixie Land.....

> Trouble is, it probably will take us all with it.
>
>BTW, the federal reserve is now accepting credit card debt.... lol.

They'll just cover it with printed money. Any odds on when the US$500
and US$1000 notes will make a come back?

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MLOM - 09 May 2008 22:08 GMT
On May 9, 7:11 am, necromancer
> On Thu, 08 May 2008 22:32:45 -0500, Brent P
>
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> They'll just cover it with printed money. Any odds on when the US$500
> and US$1000 notes will make a come back?

Probably at the same time as the return (though not of the same metal)
of the $5, $10 and $20 coins.
necromancer - 10 May 2008 02:13 GMT
>On May 9, 7:11 am, necromancer

>> They'll just cover it with printed money. Any odds on when the US$500
>> and US$1000 notes will make a come back?
>>
>Probably at the same time as the return (though not of the same metal)
>of the $5, $10 and $20 coins.

Which will probablly have the same value as the nickel, dime and 4/5
of a quarter had about 10 years ago.....

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can't afford... That's pretty much the recession
tri-fecta..."
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MLOM - 10 May 2008 03:14 GMT
On May 9, 8:13 pm, necromancer

> >On May 9, 7:11 am, necromancer
> >> They'll just cover it with printed money. Any odds on when the US$500
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> Which will probablly have the same value as the nickel, dime and 4/5
> of a quarter had about 10 years ago.....

Doubtless you have heard that Congress is considering having 1¢ and 5¢
coins made out of steel due to the cost of copper, zinc and nickel.

> --
> "When you can't afford the gas to drive to the job
>  that you are fixing to lose to pay for the house you
>  can't afford... That's pretty much the recession
>  tri-fecta..."
>               --Jay Leno

Jay summed it up fairly accurately, it appears.
necromancer - 10 May 2008 03:28 GMT
>On May 9, 8:13 pm, necromancer

>> Which will probablly have the same value as the nickel, dime and 4/5
>> of a quarter had about 10 years ago.....
>
>Doubtless you have heard that Congress is considering having 1¢ and 5¢
>coins made out of steel due to the cost of copper, zinc and nickel.

Yep. That and the occasional movement to get rid of the penny
altogether....

>> --
>> "When you can't afford the gas to drive to the job
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
>Jay summed it up fairly accurately, it appears.

That he did. And the way that he has been going on about Obama lately
(much like he does to W regularly) makes me curious as what he
knows....

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Scott in SoCal - 10 May 2008 15:36 GMT
>>On May 9, 8:13 pm, necromancer
>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>Yep. That and the occasional movement to get rid of the penny
>altogether....

I think they can get rid of pennies and nickels without too much
hardship. Right now we round every price to the nearest $0.01; all we
would have to do would be to round to the nearest $0.1 instead. If
people can handle paying for gasoline priced in units one order of
magnitude smaller than the smallest available currency, then they can
get used to that sort of pricing scheme for ALL products.
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Brent P - 10 May 2008 17:25 GMT
> I think they can get rid of pennies and nickels without too much
> hardship. Right now we round every price to the nearest $0.01; all we
> would have to do would be to round to the nearest $0.1 instead. If
> people can handle paying for gasoline priced in units one order of
> magnitude smaller than the smallest available currency, then they can
> get used to that sort of pricing scheme for ALL products.

How about restoring value to currency instead of inflating it?

Otherwise, eventually the conversations will be about eliminating
one, five, ten, and twenty dollar bills and so on.
MLOM - 10 May 2008 22:11 GMT
On May 10, 11:25 am, Brent P <tetraethylleadREMOVET...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

> > I think they can get rid of pennies and nickels without too much
> > hardship. Right now we round every price to the nearest $0.01; all we
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> Otherwise, eventually the conversations will be about eliminating
> one, five, ten, and twenty dollar bills and so on.

The gov't has tried that on the one with issuing the dollar coin (the
SBA in the 70s and the Sac. starting 2k), but those coins will never
catch on as long as there's a circulating paper equivalent and the
printers keep cranking it out.  Damned shame, as the coin overall, due
to its durability, is less costly to the gov't than the note.
Brent P - 10 May 2008 23:31 GMT
> On May 10, 11:25 am, Brent P <tetraethylleadREMOVET...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> printers keep cranking it out.  Damned shame, as the coin overall, due
> to its durability, is less costly to the gov't than the note.

I didn't mean going to coins, I meant eliminating the denominations
entirely.
MLOM - 10 May 2008 23:48 GMT
On May 10, 5:31 pm, Brent P <tetraethylleadREMOVET...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

> > On May 10, 11:25 am, Brent P <tetraethylleadREMOVET...@yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
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>
> - Show quoted text -

Given the gov't tendency, don't worry, it'll happen soon enough.  As
We the Taxed get stuck paying for gov't irresponsibility, all
denominations will be eliminated from the hands of the citizenry.
necromancer - 12 May 2008 02:05 GMT
>On May 10, 11:25 am, Brent P <tetraethylleadREMOVET...@yahoo.com>
>wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>printers keep cranking it out.  Damned shame, as the coin overall, due
>to its durability, is less costly to the gov't than the note.

I don't think that was ehat Brent is referring to.....

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can't afford... That's pretty much the recession
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Scott in SoCal - 11 May 2008 03:25 GMT
>> I think they can get rid of pennies and nickels without too much
>> hardship. Right now we round every price to the nearest $0.01; all we
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
>How about restoring value to currency instead of inflating it?

Are you suggesting we all take the hit and pin the currency back to
the gold standard?
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necromancer - 12 May 2008 02:04 GMT
>>> I think they can get rid of pennies and nickels without too much
>>> hardship. Right now we round every price to the nearest $0.01; all we
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>Are you suggesting we all take the hit and pin the currency back to
>the gold standard?

But then, warmongers like shrub wouldn't beable to borrow and spend on
their little adventures....

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MLOM - 10 May 2008 22:05 GMT
> On Fri, 09 May 2008 22:28:45 -0400, necromancer
>
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>
> - Show quoted text -

One other step would be needed for rounding to the nearest 100 mils:
nuke the quarter and replace it with the half.
Brent P - 10 May 2008 03:37 GMT
> Doubtless you have heard that Congress is considering having 1¢ and 5¢
> coins made out of steel due to the cost of copper, zinc and nickel.

A bill for that has now passed the house.
necromancer - 09 May 2008 13:05 GMT
>All intelligent people are. The problem is, a la "Idiocracy," there
>aren't enough intelligent people left in this country.

There are plenty of intelligent people in the country, Scott. They are
intelligent enough to know better than to run for office......  ;)
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N8N - 09 May 2008 13:20 GMT
> >> Though I think she won't get into office.  The Ds look ready to choose
> >> Obama, and Obama probably won't win the general election -- his
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> The same dumbshits who voted for Bush 4 years ago, that's who.

I guess you're right, I do still see a lot of little "W" stickers on
cars, which makes me wonder if people are just too lazy to whip out
the hair dryer or if they really still support him.

nate
Matthew T. Russotto - 10 May 2008 01:51 GMT
>Are you kidding?  Who in their right mind would vote for a Republican
>who isn't willing to make a clean break from Bush's policies after the
>last eight years?  At this point I'm thinking "anyone but McCain."

That's what the D's are counting on.  Unfortunately for them,
Bush-hatred runs deep but not as wide as they think; there's still a
lot of voters (won't comment on their mental status) who basically
support him.

>It doesn't help matters that McCain has basically turned his back on all
>of his positions and statements that made him in any way appealing in
>the first place.

He'll probably flip back if the circumstances warrant.  Surely as the
Democratic nominee will attempt to move right.
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