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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / Driving / May 2008I figured something like this would happen soon.
Parking dispute leads to two guys shooting each other with Tasers. Restaurant co-owner arrested. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24697686/ Police sergeant calls it a bonehead deal. This doesn't sound too far from Aunt Judy's area. Hmmm. > Parking dispute leads to two guys shooting each other with Tasers. > Restaurant co-owner arrested. > > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24697686/ Users of those "tasers" should be subject to at least the same criminal penalties as owners of any other gun. It's a serious problem with those dangerous things being available for any idiot to purchase. > > Parking dispute leads to two guys shooting each other with Tasers. > > Restaurant co-owner arrested. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > penalties as owners of any other gun. It's a serious problem with those > dangerous things being available for any idiot to purchase. Why? Dave On May 19, 8:13 am, spamTHIS...@yahoo.com wrote: > > > Parking dispute leads to two guys shooting each other with Tasers. > > > Restaurant co-owner arrested. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Dave Two reasons... 1) the civilian models are actually more dangerous than the ones the police use. 2) imagine if you tazed someone with a pacemaker... nate > On May 19, 8:13 am, spamTHIS...@yahoo.com wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > 2) imagine if you tazed someone with a pacemaker... Since when to cops show any such care? Sounds like another plan where regular people are held to a higher standard than those with a badge. It will join firearms and driving just to mention a couple. >> Users of those "tasers" should be subject to at least the same criminal >> penalties as owners of any other gun. It's a serious problem with those >> dangerous things being available for any idiot to purchase. > > Why? Tasers have made the streets much more dangerous. These devices fall under a legal loophole that avoids the label of "deadly weapon". This is somewhat due to the manufacturer, pushing to have these devices defined as "less lethal" or "non-lethal" devices. Tasers have become a weapon of choice for many criminals because the difficulty of purchasing and the penalties for use are much lower than had they used a regular gun. Tasers can be used as a means of restraining and abducting, while usually leaving no audible evidence or obvious physical damage to a person's body. These Taser devices are not a joke. They can incapacitate a person long enough for an attacker to further restrain or kill the victim. Now that these Taser devices are available to anybody and for cheap, it means that an assumption must be made during any altercation that an object in a person's hand could be one of these electrocution devices. It used to be that if a person was reaching for something, it was going to be a small gun or a knife, and that's something that I can handle. I can't handle being electrocuted by somebody who believes that there are no serious consequences to using the Taser, and who doesn't need much skill to point in my direction and try to hit me with any one of the three or four separate prods. Once that Taser prod hits me, there's nothing that I can do to prevent the attacker from controlling me. The attacker could simply leave me on the ground in agony while the Taser reactivates every few seconds, but there are worse possibilities once I can't move. I really hate these electrocution devices. > Tasers have made the streets much more dangerous. These devices fall > under a legal loophole that avoids the label of "deadly weapon". This [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > usually leaving no audible evidence or obvious physical damage to a > person's body. I thought they were only defined as such when wielded by a government employee. I thought that for the rest of us, we faced the same penalties and required to meet the same conditions as if we had used a firearm.... or maybe I am mistaken or it's an IL thing? > These Taser devices are not a joke. They can incapacitate a person long > enough for an attacker to further restrain or kill the victim. Now that > these Taser devices are available to anybody and for cheap, it means > that an assumption must be made during any altercation that an object in > a person's hand could be one of these electrocution devices. Cops use it a 'pain compliance' device. Aka torture. If you refuse their order, they taze you. On May 19, 6:06 pm, Brent P <tetraethylleadREMOVET...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > Tasers have made the streets much more dangerous. These devices fall > > under a legal loophole that avoids the label of "deadly weapon". This [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > Cops use it a 'pain compliance' device. Aka torture. If you refuse > their order, they taze you. Maybe five days unpaid leave when unnecessarily used will make their existance as a law-enfprcement device more reasonable. > Maybe five days unpaid leave when unnecessarily used will make their > existance as a law-enfprcement device more reasonable. Cops get paid vacations when they kill people... so that's unlikely. On May 19, 8:06 pm, Brent P <tetraethylleadREMOVET...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > Maybe five days unpaid leave when unnecessarily used will make their > > existance as a law-enfprcement device more reasonable. > > Cops get paid vacations when they kill people... so that's unlikely. I expect that's for them to get back to "normal." >> Tasers have made the streets much more dangerous. These devices fall >> under a legal loophole that avoids the label of "deadly weapon". This [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I thought they were only defined as such when wielded by a government > employee. This site seems to have some of that legal information: http://www.theselfdefenseblog.com/stun-gun-and-taser-laws/ Taser has installed this "Anti-Felon Identification" system that is supposed to record the registration of the purchaser and leave evidence after use, but that's only on a few of these electrocution devices and still useless in preventing misuse. > Cops use it a 'pain compliance' device. Aka torture. If you refuse > their order, they taze you. That's a problem, but the bigger problem is that anybody can get electrocution devices and for much less money and training than an ordinary gun. The legal loophole is still relevant, regardless of what restrictions are passed in new legislation. The Taser and other "stun gun" devices are regarded as "non-lethal" by the consuming public, and that is what makes them dangerous. You would probably be hit with a tougher penalty if you used a stick, knife, or an ordinary gun. This consuming public doesn't want to consider the consequences of using an ordinary gun, so they buy these electrocution devices instead, and will probably not follow any procedures before use. Toughening purchasing restrictions or increasing legal penalties is like putting up "Drug Free Zone" signs on the entrance to a building. These devices are still regarded as things to be used against anyone who may be an "attacker", and there are no procedures required before use. One of these devices is advertised as being able to leave a person in agony for 30 seconds, while the "innocent victim" runs away. Without a camera on the device, it would be difficult to show that the Taser victim wasn't an "attacker". Maybe some paranoid person walking on a dark street ahead of me could decide that I'm an "attacker", and turn around to shoot me with a Taser. How would I show that I wasn't an "attacker", and would I even care? Probably not. I consider these devices to be lethal weapons and will treat them as such. I will follow standard procedure as if I had seen any other gun in the person's hand. > Parking dispute leads to two guys shooting each other with Tasers. > Restaurant co-owner arrested. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > This doesn't sound too far from Aunt Judy's area. Hmmm. I can top that story with this one: http://freedominourtime.blogspot.com/2008/05/one-of-these-things-is-just-like-ot her.html Summary: Cop #1 shoots and kills Cop #2 who holds dual gang memberships, cop and biker, in a classic way that people without government thug licenses are killed, cop #2 gets one of those cop-hero funerals. |
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