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But RLCs are for SAFETY!!!

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Scott in SoCal - 19 May 2008 15:15 GMT
http://ktla.trb.com/news/ktla-redlights,0,1973759.story

L.A. Red Light Cameras Clicking for Safety or Revenue?
By Rich Connell, Los Angeles Times

May 19, 2008, 5:50 AM PDT

L.A. Red Light Cameras Clicking for Safety or Revenue?

Unlike some drivers facing fines, the 29-year-old homemaker had not
risked a deadly broadside by sailing through a stop light -- the
principal safety problem cameras were intended to address. Her $159
citation came after she braked at a Manchester Avenue intersection,
checked for cross traffic and made a right turn.

"I looked to make sure," she said. "I wasn't being unsafe."

In Los Angeles, officials estimate that 80% of red light camera
tickets go not to those running through intersections but to drivers
making rolling right turns, a Times review has found. As London
realized that day in court, her turn was illegal because she did not
completely stop before turning.

"I've never . . . seen any studies that suggest red light cameras
would be a good safety intervention to reduce right-turning
accidents," said Mark Burkey, a researcher at North Carolina A&T State
University who has studied photo enforcement collision patterns.

Some county cities with photo enforcement opt not to target right
turns. Others limit camera use for those citations.

"We're kind of very leery about right turns. . . . They're not really
unsafe per se," said Pasadena's senior traffic engineer, Norman
Baculinao. Only one of that city's seven camera-equipped intersection
approaches is set up to monitor right-turn violations, he said.

"This is intended to be a traffic safety program. People who make
right turns generally are going at a low speed," and resulting
accidents tend to be a "sideswipe at most," he said.

Emphasizing those violations, Baculinao said, would be "more for
revenue generation" than safety.

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"Dave's not here, man!"
 - Tommy Chong

MLOM - 19 May 2008 22:23 GMT
> http://ktla.trb.com/news/ktla-redlights,0,1973759.story
>
[quoted text clipped - 43 lines]
> "Dave's not here, man!"
>   - Tommy Chong

You know the drill...government-defined $afety trumps true safety.
gpsman - 20 May 2008 03:59 GMT
> http://ktla.trb.com/news/ktla-redlights,0,1973759.story
>
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
> "I looked to make sure," she said. "I wasn't being unsafe."

So... what difference could the 3 seconds to come to a complete stop
have made?

About $159, or $53 per second of time "saved".

Stop means stop, regardless of cross traffic, or your intended
direction of travel.
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- gpsman
Dave - 19 May 2008 17:34 GMT
> So... what difference could the 3 seconds to come to a complete stop
> have made?
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> Stop means stop, regardless of cross traffic, or your intended
> direction of travel.

I agree with you.  But the article stated that ticketing right-turn drivers was more for revenue than for safety.  I agree with THAT as well.  -Dave
Ad absurdum per aspera - 21 May 2008 18:45 GMT
Sounds to me like a righteous ticket for a commonplace but prohibited
maneuver -- rolling a right-on-red.

"Right on red AFTER  stop, WHEN safe, EXCEPT where prohibited"   is
how I learned it, and AFAIK this is pretty common to states that have
right-on-red laws.

http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/hdbk/pgs16thru17.htm#traffic_lights (plain
language)
http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d11/vc21453.htm (statute)

The risk to other cars may be  smaller  when you roll a right-on-red,
compared to running a red light straight through or in a left turn --
but small does not mean nonzero, and bicyclists and pedestrians have a
different opinion than other drivers.

Cheers,
--Joe
 
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