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Father & Son Murdered For Blocking Intersection

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Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS - 25 Jun 2008 04:51 GMT
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25356080/

Father, son killed in Calif. road rage shooting
Dad had inadvertently blocked an intersection and was backing up
   
updated 5:35 p.m. MT, Tues., June. 24, 2008

SAN FRANCISCO - San Francisco police were searching Tuesday for as many as
three men who were riding in a car involved in a road rage shooting Sunday
that killed a father and his son.

Police said Tony Bologna was driving home Sunday with his two sons when he
was forced to stop in an intersection, blocking the path of another car.

Bologna backed up his vehicle to allow the other driver through.

But police say someone from that car fired shots at Bologna's car, killing
him and his 20-year-old son, Michael. Tony Bologna's 16-year-old son,
Matthew, is hospitalized in critical condition.

The other car drove away.

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I don't know if this is road rage or not. May be more to this story.
Orson Wells as CitizenCain - 25 Jun 2008 05:05 GMT
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> I don't know if this is road rage or not. May be more to this story.

I bet there is.
jerry warner - 25 Jun 2008 05:22 GMT
> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25356080/
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> I don't know if this is road rage or not. May be more to this story.

Capitol murder if they find them.
Hope they do!

BTW, I enjoy your posts - keep it up! Thanks.
richard - 25 Jun 2008 12:45 GMT
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>I don't know if this is road rage or not. May be more to this story.

How about this for a new law and publicize it highly.
Use of a weapon while driving = 10 years in jail, loss of license.
Injure a person, 20 years.
Death = life.
Scott in SoCal - 25 Jun 2008 15:45 GMT
>How about this for a new law and publicize it highly.
>Use of a weapon while driving = 10 years in jail, loss of license.
>Injure a person, 20 years.

Typical knee-jerk reaction - attack the symptom, not the real problem.

If it weren't for all these incompoetent f.ck drivers on the roads,
nobody would be pulling out weapons in the first place.
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Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS - 25 Jun 2008 18:38 GMT
> How about this for a new law and publicize it highly.
> Use of a weapon while driving = 10 years in jail, loss of license.
> Injure a person, 20 years.
> Death = life.

That should also apply if the weapon is the vehicle.
Orson Wells as CitizenCain - 29 Jun 2008 04:53 GMT
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> Injure a person, 20 years.
> Death = life.

Crashing into a mini-van because you were ogling the kids in the backseat =
two life sentences
N8N - 25 Jun 2008 15:54 GMT
On Jun 24, 11:51 pm, "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS"
<xeton2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25356080/
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> I don't know if this is road rage or not. May be more to this story.

Sounds like two idiots ran into each other.  One who shouldn't be
driving and one who has anger management issues.

nate
Bo Raxo - 25 Jun 2008 19:55 GMT
On Jun 24, 11:51 pm, "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS"
<xeton2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25356080/
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> I don't know if this is road rage or not. May be more to this story.

Sounds like two idiots ran into each other.  One who shouldn't be
driving and one who has anger management issues.

nate

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The murdered man actually backed up to let the other car make the turn, but
was shot anyway.  All the guy did was enter the intersection without it
being clear to exit, which is a "blocking the box" ticket in San Francisco.
Really, saying someone who commits such a minor infraction "shouldn't be
driving" is silly.  And calling a mass murderer someone with "anger
management issues" is also silly.  It's like calling Charles Manson "a
little strange".

A third victim (the driver's youngest son) was taken off of life support
this morning, so three deaths total.

Bo Raxo
N8N - 25 Jun 2008 20:31 GMT
> On Jun 24, 11:51 pm, "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS"
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> Really, saying someone who commits such a minor infraction "shouldn't be
> driving" is silly.

No, it's not silly.  It's well known, or should be, that you shouldn't
enter an intersection unless you can clear it.  And yet any time
there's heavy traffic the morons pile into the intersection.  MOST
people that I encounter on the roads shouldn't be allowed behind the
wheel of a car.  I'm astounded at the inattention and stupidity that
I'm subjected to on a daily basis.

Yes, death is far too severe a punishment.  Revocation of one's
driver's license for a month or two would not be.  Punishments for
simple yet important infractions like this are way too lax and also
not well enforced.  The ONLY possible excuse I could see for blocking
the box (and I've had it happen to me) is if you're planning on taking
the last clear space on the other side of the intersection and some
a.s worshipping rimjobber passes you in another lane, cuts in front of
you, and takes your spot.  (which would be a ticketable offense
anyway, for changing lanes in the middle of an intersection.)  Barring
that, no excuse.

nate
Bo Raxo - 26 Jun 2008 01:27 GMT
On Jun 25, 2:55 pm, "Bo Raxo" <crimenewscen...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "N8N" <njna...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Really, saying someone who commits such a minor infraction "shouldn't be
> driving" is silly.

No, it's not silly.  It's well known, or should be, that you shouldn't
enter an intersection unless you can clear it.  And yet any time
there's heavy traffic the morons pile into the intersection.  MOST
people that I encounter on the roads shouldn't be allowed behind the
wheel of a car.  I'm astounded at the inattention and stupidity that
I'm subjected to on a daily basis.

Yes, death is far too severe a punishment.  Revocation of one's
driver's license for a month or two would not be.  Punishments for
simple yet important infractions like this are way too lax and also
not well enforced.  The ONLY possible excuse I could see for blocking
the box (and I've had it happen to me) is if you're planning on taking
the last clear space on the other side of the intersection and some
a.s worshipping rimjobber passes you in another lane, cuts in front of
you, and takes your spot.  (which would be a ticketable offense
anyway, for changing lanes in the middle of an intersection.)  Barring
that, no excuse.

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In theory you're right.  But here's the reality:

You see traffic is backed up on the other side of the intersection.  You
stop before entering the intersection, waiting for traffic on the opposite
side to move.   During rush hour, some asshat on the cross-street waiting to
turn right on the red (legal in California) will go ahead and zip in as soon
as there is any opening.   So if traffic is slow enough, you could sit there
through the entire cycle of the light and never get to cross, because people
taking right turns from the cross-street will fill available space.

Now I suppose you could sit there, through one green light after another,
until traffic dies down enough towards the end of rush hour to give you an
opening.  Or you can cross, stop in the intersection, and try to do it when
you estimate traffic will move before the light changes.  Which generally
works, until you throw in one more asshat suddenly deciding to double park
during rush hour, or some similar stupidity.

Probably doesn't help that the SFPD assigns motorcycle cops to write
tickets, and patrol cops generally can't be bothered.  So outside of a few
pretty well known corridors it's a free-for-all.  Admittedly, it's one of
the things I love about this city, that unless you're doing something
actually dangerous you won't get ticketed for the sheer revenue of it.

Bo Raxo
Amir9988@gmail.com - 26 Jun 2008 02:30 GMT
Congdon st and Maynard st are both small, side streets, there is not
heavy traffic and the intersection is a 4 way stop. The reason he had
to back up was because the street is narrow and he turned onto it but
realized there was not room to make his way down the street. Read the
news, had he not backed up, the two cars would be nose to nose and
neither would pass, so cut the sh.t, 3 people are dead because of the
most ridiculous sh.t I've ever heard of, and one of em was a friend of
mine.
 
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