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Brent P - 26 Jun 2008 01:44 GMT
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Link grabbed from a fark discussion thread.
Alexander Rogge - 26 Jun 2008 06:44 GMT
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That looks like something from driving school.  Some people simply don't
care to follow this rule, or are really ignorant about the problem that
they are causing.  I had one driver who insisted that it was acceptable
to coast in the centre and left lanes, and considered it to be "the
other driver's problem" to pass him on the right.  It was rather scary.

They're totally oblivious to people using flash-to-pass, drivers
aggressively cutting in front, and the traffic jam behind them.  Some of
these drivers exclaim, "What's the speed limit?"  There's people passing
you on the right!  Speed-restriction or not, move over before you get me
killed!

Then these same "I'm doing the speed limit" drivers get into a
speed-restricted zone and are going 10 or 20 over the posted limit, only
to slam on the brakes before crashing into something because they were
going too fast for conditions.  I'm afraid to let anyone drive me in a
car anymore, as I seem to end up getting stuck with the most oblivious
drivers.
Harry K - 26 Jun 2008 14:51 GMT
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> car anymore, as I seem to end up getting stuck with the most oblivious
> drivers.

I agree and do the same with the stipulation that I will be 'going
with the flow" in the center lane whatever that may be.  Parking in
the CL at less than the prevailing traffic meets all the criteria for
being a lane blocker.

Harry K
Harry K - 26 Jun 2008 14:52 GMT
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> car anymore, as I seem to end up getting stuck with the most oblivious
> drivers.

OOOPS That was meant as a reply to John B.  I should wake up a bit
before posting.

Harry K
John B. - 26 Jun 2008 13:56 GMT
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> Link grabbed from a fark discussion thread.

There's no excuse for LLBs.  But there can be for CLBs --- or more
specifically semi-CLBs...

If I'm driving on a three-lane highway with several exits, I'll basically
stay in the center lane.  Why get caught up in the traffic entering and
exiting the highway?  If there are several miles with no exits, I will move
to the right lane.  As far as faster traffic when I'm in the center lane,
they should be passing on the left - not the right.  If there's a LLB there,
it's not my problem that the faster car can't get around - it's both of
theirs.  In a busy area, I refuse to get tangled up with vehicles coming on
and off the highway.  Especially when many entering expect ME to yield for
THEM.

John B.
N8N - 26 Jun 2008 15:23 GMT
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> it's not my problem that the faster car can't get around - it's both of
> theirs.  

Sure, it's your problem.  If someone ends up stuck behind a rolling
roadblock and chooses to pass you on the right but doesn't notice an
onramp coming up, suddenly you are caught up in an unsafe situation as
the faster driver may choose to swerve around a slow merger rather
than brake hard.  It may not be strictly your *FAULT* (although I
would say that you bear some responsibility) but it is still your
PROBLEM.

> In a busy area, I refuse to get tangled up with vehicles coming on
> and off the highway.  Especially when many entering expect ME to yield for
> THEM.

Simple solution: don't.  Just maintain a steady speed and course
unless/until it's clear that some idiot will actually run into you
unless you do something else.

nate
gpsman - 26 Jun 2008 15:49 GMT
> the faster driver may choose to swerve around a slow merger rather
> than brake hard.
>
> Just maintain a steady speed and course
> unless/until it's clear that some idiot will actually run into you
> unless you do something else.

LOL!.  Then what?  Swerve... or brake hard...?
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- gpsman
N8N - 26 Jun 2008 16:04 GMT
> > the faster driver may choose to swerve around a slow merger rather
> > than brake hard.
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>
> LOL!.  Then what?  Swerve... or brake hard...?

Yes, while using the horn to alert the a-hole driver that he is
endangering you by encroaching on a space to which you have the right
of way.

Most of the time this is not necessary, however.  The poor merger will
either accelerate or slow to find a gap, and while he may be angry,
the feelings of morons are of little concern to me.

nate
Alexander Rogge - 28 Jun 2008 05:31 GMT
>> As far as faster traffic when I'm in the center lane,
>> they should be passing on the left - not the right.  If there's a LLB there,
>> it's not my problem that the faster car can't get around - it's both of
>> theirs.  
>
> Sure, it's your problem.

I have another example of how CLBing is definitely a problem for the
CLB.  These lane-blockers assume that everybody else is going to swerve
around them and leave them lots of room so that they can continue
blocking traffic.  That's incorrect, as a CLB found out today.

I was in the right lane and approaching a slow van.  I signalled left
and moved into the centre lane.  I passed the van, and noticed a
tractor-trailer ahead.  I wanted to pass the truck too, so I waited for
this CLB in front of me to move over into the big gap behind the truck.
 I was surprised when the CLB didn't yield, and I had to brake before
crashing into it.  I honked, but to no avail.  The CLB started slowing
down to play Duckling with the van.  That's when the incident occurred.

A driver behind me was approaching quickly, and it appeared that he was
going to hit me if I tried to brake for the CLB again as it was trapping
me next to the van.  The left-lane traffic was going too fast for me to
move left.  The only other choice was to go around on the right, and
that's when the CLB got a wake-up.  I moved into the space between the
CLB and the van and took about 20% of the centre lane, leaving not very
much room for the CLB.  The CLB got passed at about the same time on
both sides.  The other driver in the centre lane was also surprised and
swerved around the obstruction.  I accelerated to pass the truck and
moved over, just as the driver who was behind me accelerated past me.

The CLB honked and flicked on its high-beams.  What did the CLB do then?
 It accelerated to pass the truck and caught up to me.  Why did it take
such an action to get the CLB to speed up?  The CLB then started
matching my speed.  Maybe it wanted to yell at me or stare at me in
disbelief about how I can drive very closely to other cars without
hitting them.  Just before I was going to dislodge the CLB again, the
CLB accelerated!  The CLB found a gap in the right-lane traffic, and
moved into the right lane!  All of that nonsense could've been avoided
if everybody would Keep Right Except To Pass.

Never block the passing lane!  Keep Right Except To Pass!  Passing is
not a game.  Keep Right Except To Pass!  The passing lane is for passing
only.  The centre lane is a passing lane.  Keep Right, Pass Left!
Drivers in the passing lane must yield to faster traffic.  Keep Right
Except To Pass!
gpsman - 28 Jun 2008 06:58 GMT
> >> As far as faster traffic when I'm in the center lane,
> >> they should be passing on the left - not the right.  If there's a LLB there,
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> around them and leave them lots of room so that they can continue
> blocking traffic.  That's incorrect, as a CLB found out today.

Whatever you do, do not mention the type of road upon which this event
occurred.  Spoils the story.

> I was in the right lane and approaching a slow van.  I signalled left
> and moved into the centre lane.  I passed the van, and noticed a
> tractor-trailer ahead.  I wanted to pass the truck too, so I waited for
> this CLB in front of me to move over into the big gap behind the truck.

Why?  Doesn't that make you a "duckling"?

Why wouldn't you just pass in the L lane?

Why didn't you "move over into the big gap behind the truck" when your
pass was complete?

"Big gap behind the truck".  You weren't passing anybody.

> I was surprised when the CLB didn't yield,

That figures.

> and I had to brake before
> crashing into it.

Ah.  A disciple of Nate's "don't do sh.t until a collision is
unavoidable" school.  How's that working out for you?

> I honked, but to no avail.

What, you hit it?  It sounds as if you think honking somehow improves
braking performance.

Surely you don't expect me to believe that you thought someone was
going to vacate "your way" in the center lane with a perfectly good
"passing lane"... right over there (to your L)?

> The CLB started slowing
> down to play Duckling with the van.

Spurious conclusion, you don't know why they slowed.  Occam's Razor
suggests: 1) To get your dumb a.s to pass

> That's when the incident occurred.

What a surprise.

> A driver behind me was approaching quickly, and it appeared that he was
> going to hit me if I tried to brake for the CLB again

What?!  Why would you need to brake *again*?  You had to brake to
avoid hitting him in the a.s, backed off, and then you are
accelerating?

The bullshit driving expert often cites fear of being rear-ended,
usually to limit his maneuvering options for his story.  "I COULDN'T
SLOW DOWN, TRAFFIC WOULD RUN OVER ME!!!"

>  as it was trapping
> me next to the van.

You weren't "trapped".  You could have slowed and moved R behind the
van.

> The left-lane traffic was going too fast for me to
> move left.

Of course it was, you f.cking moron.  If you looked any further ahead
than directly over your hood you'd have noticed the van and the truck
when you had enough time and room to accelerate and take the L lane,
pass, and be on your way.

> All of that nonsense could've been avoided
> if everybody would Keep Right Except To Pass.

"Not my fault", huh?

> Never block the passing lane!  Keep Right Except To Pass!  Passing is
> not a game.  Keep Right Except To Pass!  The passing lane is for passing
> only.  The centre lane is a passing lane.  Keep Right, Pass Left!
> Drivers in the passing lane must yield to faster traffic.  Keep Right
> Except To Pass!

That would be hilarious if it weren't so stupidly ironic.  Or is it
ironically stupid?  Maybe it's just ironic and stupid.

Which is funnier?  That's what it is.
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- gpsman
Scott in SoCal - 28 Jun 2008 16:56 GMT
>The CLB honked and flicked on its high-beams.  What did the CLB do then?
>  It accelerated to pass the truck and caught up to me.  Why did it take
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>moved into the right lane!  All of that nonsense could've been avoided
>if everybody would Keep Right Except To Pass.

When you see someone speed up AFTER you pass them, it's a dead
giveaway that they are playing the Passive-Aggressive Game. They are
pretending to be oblivious f.cks, but in reality they are fully
conscious of everything that is going on around them, and they are
blocking you ON PURPOSE. The reason they get so mad when you pass them
is because you have spoiled their little game by escaping from their
control. If you escape, they "lose" the game... And they're very sore
losers.

I've told the story before of the older couple in a clown car SUV who
were blocking the center lane of a 50 MPH street by driving 35 MPH. I
was in the center lane behind them, but couldn't pass because there
was a Phalanx of other Sloths in the left and right lanes. Finally, a
Sloth in the right lane turned off into a driveway, and I punched it
around the couple in the SUV. As I started to pass, the a.shole
FLOORED IT and tried to block me. Unfortunately for him he did not
succeed. After I completed my pass and merged back into the center
lane (there was more Sloth in the right lane up ahead), I slowed back
down to the 50 MPH speed limit. Somehow this geriatric piece of f.ck
who was so content to dawdle along at 35 MPH as long as I was behind
him is now travelling so fast that he catches up to me, and HIS WIFE
leans over and honks the horn!

Ordinarily, you wouldn't expect everyone in the car to participate in
the passive-aggressive game like that, but it happens more often than
you think. I was driving my pickup truck on I-10 coming out of Tucson
one time when I came upon a LLB Suburban going at least 10 under.
After being stuck behind him for a while, a gap opened up in the right
lane and I started to pass. Of course, this shithead sped up, but
while he did so his front seat passenger was pointing at me and
laughing. Unfortunately, I was driving my underpowered pickup truck,
and it took me a couple of tries to escape their clutches. I had to
exceed 100 MPH to do it, and it took that little Tacoma quite a long
time to build up to that speed.

Anyway, I've digressed a little bit, but be on the lookout for people
playing the Passive-Aggressive Game. Apparently it's so much fun for
certain personality types to play this game that even the passengers
want to join in the fun.
Signature

Q: What's the difference between a traffic snake and a real one?
A: The traffic snake's a.shole at the *front* end.

Brent P - 28 Jun 2008 20:30 GMT
> Anyway, I've digressed a little bit, but be on the lookout for people
> playing the Passive-Aggressive Game. Apparently it's so much fun for
> certain personality types to play this game that even the passengers
> want to join in the fun.

I've had some similiar experiences. What you neglect is that they teach
it to their children. When bicycling I've had *CHILDREN* yell 'get off
the road' and similiar.
gpsman - 26 Jun 2008 15:35 GMT
> There's no excuse for LLBs.  But there can be for CLBs --- or more
> specifically semi-CLBs...
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> and off the highway.  Especially when many entering expect ME to yield for
> THEM.

Especially when they come down the ramp as a clusterfuck of 20-40
cars, bumper to bumper, effectively creating one vehicle 400-800 feet
long, each driver seemingly concluding the vehicle to their front just
isn't going quite fast enough... and ignoring the fact that the
acceleration lane doubles as an exit, and is only 400' long.

I'll never forget a OC buddy's wife telling me that, whenever she
needed to change lanes, she looked for a truck.  She "knew" there
would be enough space in front of him.

Of course he has to slow to regain his following distance.  1/10 of a
second after he eases off the throttle traffic behind him begins
escaping his sloth because he's a stupid f.cking lane blocking truck
driver... with no business on the road.
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- gpsman
Alexander Rogge - 26 Jun 2008 20:13 GMT
> If I'm driving on a three-lane highway with several exits, I'll basically
> stay in the center lane.

Keep Right Except To Pass!

> Why get caught up in the traffic entering and exiting the highway?

It is the responsibility of the merger to yield to traffic on the roadway.

> If there are several miles with no exits, I will move to the right lane.

What about when there is traffic behind you, and you are causing a
traffic jam?

> As far as faster traffic when I'm in the center lane,
> they should be passing on the left - not the right.
> If there's a LLB there, it's not my problem that the
> faster car can't get around - it's both of theirs.

It is your problem, and you are the cause of the hazard.  The LLB is
another problem.  It only takes one stupid driver blocking the passing
lane to cause a traffic jam.

> In a busy area, I refuse to get tangled up with vehicles coming on
> and off the highway.  Especially when many entering expect ME to yield for
> THEM.

You're making the problem worse for everybody else, and suggesting to
the merge-impaired that it is acceptable to drift onto the roadway.
 
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