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Brent P - 26 Jun 2008 13:29 GMT
http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/24/2442.asp

"Mannering used a statistical model to calculate accident probabilities
based on his own examination of data from 390,000 accidents recorded by
the Indiana Vehicle Crash Record System. After applying the model, he
concluded that the increased speed limit had no effect on the
probability of suffering an accident nor did it increase the severity of
accidents that did occur.

In 2006, only 5.78 percent of the state's accidents were caused by
unsafe speed, a decrease from 2004. The study also noted that a 15 MPH
increase in the speed limit did not produce a 15 MPH increase in the
actual speed traveled. Instead, real speeds increased only 12 MPH. "
Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS - 26 Jun 2008 16:53 GMT
> http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/24/2442.asp
>
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> increase in the speed limit did not produce a 15 MPH increase in the
> actual speed traveled. Instead, real speeds increased only 12 MPH. "

Hey stupid. The issue was settled in 1974 when we went to the 55 and
immediately highway deaths dropped by 16%.  Case closed, moron.
spamTHISbrp@yahoo.com - 26 Jun 2008 18:21 GMT
On Jun 26, 11:53 am, "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS"
<xeton2...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> >http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/24/2442.asp
>
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> Hey stupid. The issue was settled in 1974 when we went to the 55 and
> immediately highway deaths dropped by 16%.  Case closed, moron.

Can you give me tips on how to keep reality from intruding on my world-
view?

Like they say, if you're going to learn, learn from the master!

Dave
Larrybud - 26 Jun 2008 20:32 GMT
>> http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/24/2442.asp
>>
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> and immediately highway deaths dropped by 16%.  Case closed,
> moron.

Explain the lack of increase when the 55 mph was removed?
Brent P - 26 Jun 2008 20:35 GMT
>>> http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/24/2442.asp
>>>
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>
> Explain the lack of increase when the 55 mph was removed?  

1974 is when they changed how fatalities were measured. Everything about
the 55mph NMSL was fraud.
necromancer - 27 Jun 2008 09:01 GMT
>> SFB spewed:
>>
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>>>> MPH increase in the actual speed traveled. Instead, real speeds
>>>> increased only 12 MPH. "

<< censor SADDAM crapola >>


>> Explain the lack of increase when the 55 mph was removed?  
>
>1974 is when they changed how fatalities were measured.

IOW, they cooked the books to get the result they wanted.

Maybe SFB could get a job at Enron or Bear Stearns seeing how it likes
fraud.

>Everything about the 55mph NMSL was fraud.

Amen to that!

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Larrybud - 27 Jun 2008 16:13 GMT
>>>> http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/24/2442.asp
>>>>
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
> 1974 is when they changed how fatalities were measured.
> Everything about the 55mph NMSL was fraud.

How does one reclassify a dead guy?
Brent P - 27 Jun 2008 16:23 GMT
>>>>> http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/24/2442.asp
>>>>>
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
>
> How does one reclassify a dead guy?

This shouldn't have to be re-explained to you. It's when the person
died. In 1974 they shortened the period of time between the collision
and death. Prior to 1974 I think it was a year.... this dramatically
decreased what was considered a fatality from a traffic collision.
Larrybud - 27 Jun 2008 17:57 GMT
>>> 1974 is when they changed how fatalities were measured.
>>> Everything about the 55mph NMSL was fraud.
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> this dramatically decreased what was considered a fatality from
> a traffic collision.

LOL! I didn't realize it was ever "explained" to me in the first
place.  Love to see a cite for that.
Brent P - 27 Jun 2008 17:58 GMT
>>>> 1974 is when they changed how fatalities were measured.
>>>> Everything about the 55mph NMSL was fraud.
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> LOL! I didn't realize it was ever "explained" to me in the first
> place.  Love to see a cite for that.

It was well cited several times in the last few YEARS. google it
yourself.
Larrybud - 28 Jun 2008 22:37 GMT
>>>>> 1974 is when they changed how fatalities were measured.
>>>>> Everything about the 55mph NMSL was fraud.
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> It was well cited several times in the last few YEARS. google it
> yourself.

Sorry, I have a life outside of r.a.d.  I can't really remember a
million posts in the last few years.
Brent P - 28 Jun 2008 22:41 GMT
>>>>>> 1974 is when they changed how fatalities were measured.
>>>>>> Everything about the 55mph NMSL was fraud.
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> Sorry, I have a life outside of r.a.d.  I can't really remember a
> million posts in the last few years.

Same here, which is why I don't want to spend my time digging up
something you missed that has been discussed many times over.
Nate Nagel - 28 Jun 2008 22:58 GMT
>>>>>>1974 is when they changed how fatalities were measured.
>>>>>>Everything about the 55mph NMSL was fraud.
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> Sorry, I have a life outside of r.a.d.  I can't really remember a
> million posts in the last few years.

Obviously, few of us can.  However, Brent is correct, it's been
discussed at length here before, so if you care to learn more, cites are
only a google away.  I believe it might have been JCW or maybe Chuck
Tomlinson that posted an excellent summary of the issue.

nate

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Arif Khokar - 28 Jun 2008 23:50 GMT
>> Sorry, I have a life outside of r.a.d.  I can't really remember a
>> million posts in the last few years.

> Obviously, few of us can.  However, Brent is correct, it's been
> discussed at length here before, so if you care to learn more, cites are
> only a google away.  I believe it might have been JCW or maybe Chuck
> Tomlinson that posted an excellent summary of the issue.

Well, to be fair, most people haven't been posting/reading r.a.d as long
as you or Brent have been (myself included).  But it is fair to say that
Larry should just search r.a.d. for the issue in question.
Jim Yanik - 29 Jun 2008 03:39 GMT
>>> Sorry, I have a life outside of r.a.d.  I can't really remember a
>>> million posts in the last few years.
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> long as you or Brent have been (myself included).  But it is fair to
> say that Larry should just search r.a.d. for the issue in question.

seems that it's UseNet standard for the one making the claim to provide the
cites supporting their claim,when asked.

Not to just tell the doubter to search for them.

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Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS - 27 Jun 2008 21:53 GMT
Brent P <tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS@yahoo.com> wrote in news:ya-
dnfdoGZSZm_jVnZ2dnUVZ_trinZ2d@comcast.com:

> This shouldn't have to be re-explained to you. It's when the person
> died. In 1974 they shortened the period of time between the collision
> and death. Prior to 1974 I think it was a year.... this dramatically
> decreased what was considered a fatality from a traffic collision.

HAHAHA.  Yeah and that happened 9000 times in 1974.  HAHAHA.  You car loons
will lie about anything.
Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS - 27 Jun 2008 21:51 GMT


> 1974 is when they changed how fatalities were measured.

You have made that preposterous statement a million times here at RAD and
never supplied an iota of proof.
 
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