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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / Maintenance and Repair / June 2006There are automotitve experts here who could help you -- PLEASE STATE MAKE, YEAR & MODEL OF VEHICLE!
Posting car problem questions without this information is a waste of electrons. Engine and transmission options would be nice too! Thank you. Don www.donsautomotive.com ===== ===== > Posting car problem questions without this information is a waste of > electrons. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Don > www.donsautomotive.com ====== ====== I'm real fond of VIN #s too. ~:~ mm ~:~ Seconded, this is an issue in all the auto forums I've seen! > ===== > ===== [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > mm > ~:~ >Seconded, this is an issue in all the auto forums I've seen! It gets monumentally worse in computer forums. ;`( >> ===== >> ===== [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups >----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =----  Signature-john wide-open at throttle dot info > ===== > ===== [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > mm > ~:~ Why? Do you run a chop shop and want all the VIN's you can get your fingers on? That would be the 'only' reason I could think of for some internet freak to want numbers... Mike Mike Romain Wrote: > Why? Do you run a chop shop and want all the VIN's you can get your > fingers on? [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Mike VIN# tells you everything you need to know about equipment, version, production date, etc. Having VIN numbers would be of no use to a chop shop. It's right in your windshield for the whole world to see, not like it's a big secret...:screwy: Signaturejeffcoslacker http://www.automotiveforums.com > Mike Romain Wrote: > > Why? Do you run a chop shop and want all the VIN's you can get your [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > -- > jeffcoslacker The VIN also gives the country and name and address of the vehicle owner and here in Canada any creditors or your banking institution's name. If you want your name and address and financing to be public, that might be fine, but in this day of identity theft and the fact that chop shops can print out 'new' VIN's..... Folks should be aware just what and how much a VIN gives away.... Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590 (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > > Mike Romain Wrote: > > > Why? Do you run a chop shop and want all the VIN's you can get your [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Folks should be aware just what and how much a VIN gives away.... Be aware, sure, but realize that by law, it's displayed right there in the corner of your windshield for anyone with a passing interest to read, copy, or otherwise access for whatever purpose (or none whatsoever) they might have. Unless you're a cop, or have a court order, I'd expect that it's *VERY* difficult, if not impossible, to cross-reference a VIN number into any information about financial and/or ownership details without being associated with/having the permission of the leinholder or owner, while the other info it encodes is mostly pretty easy to look up. SignatureDon Bruder - dakidd@sonic.net - If your "From:" address isn't on my whitelist, or the subject of the message doesn't contain the exact text "PopperAndShadow" somewhere, any message sent to this address will go in the garbage without my ever knowing it arrived. Sorry... <http://www.sonic.net/~dakidd> for more info > > > Mike Romain Wrote: > > > > Why? Do you run a chop shop and want all the VIN's you can get your [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > -- > Don Bruder - Here in Ontario Canada anyone with the VIN can go to a mall kiosk and pay $25.00 to get a vehicle history on the car which gives the current and past owners names and cities along with any liens registered to the vehicle. So if you have a bank loan on it, that makes your bank's ID available too. Mike >>>Mike Romain Wrote: >>> [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > associated with/having the permission of the leinholder or owner, while > the other info it encodes is mostly pretty easy to look up. And of course when sharing VINS, one can always conceal the purely sequential section that makes the car unique to the owner. Only certain digits contain useful information about the model. For example, instead of typing out the whole VIN, just report it as, for example, "2E3ED66F1PHxxxxxx" > And of course when sharing VINS, one can always conceal the purely > sequential section that makes the car unique to the owner. Only certain > digits contain useful information about the model. For example, instead > of typing out the whole VIN, just report it as, for example, > "2E3ED66F1PHxxxxxx" 2= Canada assembly (Brampton Ontario, where they make 300M's now - big place; I've been there) E3= Chrysler (Eagle) ED66F= 4-door sedan (Vision?) F=? 1=? P=1993 the rest I can't figure out. SignatureTeGGeR® > The VIN also gives the country and name and address of the vehicle owner > and here in Canada any creditors or your banking institution's name. If [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Folks should be aware just what and how much a VIN gives away.... I can't see anything wrong with anything but the last six digits. *That's* the part that uniquely identifes your car. But in order for ANY part of the VIN to be useful, you'd have to know how to decode it. Any even then, all it would give you is what anyone can tell you by reading their trunk lid badges and ownership papers. SignatureTeGGeR® > > ===== > > ===== [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Mike Actually, a VIN can tell you a goodly bit of legit stuff about the "guts" of the car as it came from the factory - Engine size, computer type, tranny version, carb or FI, two or four bbl, smog package, if any, and what standard it's built to satisfy (Canada? California? Europe? Other?) etc. That stuff has been encoded in the VIN for a while, with more and more being added these days, along with some other stuff that's purely "serial number" info or just-plain trivia (ferinstance original paint color and what assembly line of what plant put it together in some cases) or less trivial like whethehr it's a Cleveland, Detroit, or Windsor (each with their own oddities that could be meaningful for tough cases) engine block, or whether the front-end came from Saginaw Steering Gear or from the Flint plant (Again with each having its own quirks), and so on. Granted, most of us don't have that sort of lookup material "on tap", but some do, and it can be useful. On the other hand, this "Marsh Monster" troll DOES strike me as being... Well... As you so succinctly put it, "some internet freak". SignatureDon Bruder - dakidd@sonic.net - If your "From:" address isn't on my whitelist, or the subject of the message doesn't contain the exact text "PopperAndShadow" somewhere, any message sent to this address will go in the garbage without my ever knowing it arrived. Sorry... <http://www.sonic.net/~dakidd> for more info ====== ====== > Why? Do you run a chop shop and want all the VIN's you can get your > fingers on? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Mike ======== ======== The only reason you can think of only reason is because your reason is the only reason you have to reason with. and...... it's piss poor reasoning I would add. oh..... and NO.....I don't run a chop shop. I'm that stupid. The easy money is in unloading them in Mexico. dumbass. ~:~ Marsh Monster ~sips his mushroom tea, takes a toke.....and wonders if your so stupid as to believe the crap your touting~ ~:~ |
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