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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / Maintenance and Repair / June 2006

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Desert Driving, HOT: preventive steps

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Harry Truman - 20 Jun 2006 23:58 GMT
I live in the California desert. Yesterday it was 105 degrees; not even
really hot for around here (I'm told it got up to 127 last year).

So yesterday I drove my '90 Geo Metro down the freeway and the temp
gauge got as CLOSE as it could to the Hot 'red' part of the temp gauge
without actually entering it. Got where I wanted and back OK, but
things are going to get WORSE out here in the next few weeks, so what
steps can I take to cool this puppy down.  (Strangely enough, when I
got OFF the freeway, she cooled down quickly, and almost to normal [
middle of the gauge ].)

Have already bought new coolant (old coolant loses its effectiveness,
right?)  Will drain the system and put in the new coolant.

How do I check the radiator fan (just turn the car on and watch it as
the car gets warm?)

!!!  ANYthing else I can do to put the odds in my favor? !!!

Thank you, people.

HarryTruman
Harry Truman - 21 Jun 2006 00:30 GMT
> I live in the California desert. Yesterday it was 105 degrees; not even
> really hot for around here (I'm told it got up to 127 last year).
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>
> HarryTruman

Oh, BTW, I ran it most of the time in 5th, and the temp came down a
BIT. Going into 4th caused it to head back up toward hot, but it never
got down more than 4.5/5ths toward Hot regardless the gear I was in.
How do I check the -- what is it -- the temperature sensor?

HarryTruman

HarryTruman
Nate Nagel - 21 Jun 2006 00:43 GMT
>>I live in the California desert. Yesterday it was 105 degrees; not even
>>really hot for around here (I'm told it got up to 127 last year).
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>
> HarryTruman

candy thermometer in the filler neck, or if you have one, an infrared
thermometer (one of those point and shoot thingys)

nate

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Nate Nagel - 21 Jun 2006 00:35 GMT
> I live in the California desert. Yesterday it was 105 degrees; not even
> really hot for around here (I'm told it got up to 127 last year).
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>
> HarryTruman

do a chemical flush and also a power flush of the cooling system, and
most importantly, clean the radiator, and if the car has A/C remove
either the radiator or the A/C condenser, whichever is easier, clean out
all the debris that collects between them, and check both the radiator
and the condenser for bent fins and "rake" them straight again if necessary.

good luck,

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Donald Lewis - 21 Jun 2006 00:41 GMT
>I live in the California desert. Yesterday it was 105 degrees; not even
>really hot for around here (I'm told it got up to 127 last year).
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>things are going to get WORSE out here in the next few weeks, so what
>steps can I take to cool this puppy down.

Coolant full, radiator fins clean, not more than 50% coolant
concentration, check/replace thermostat.  If all else checks out
replace the radiator with equal or enhanced capacity.  "All metal"
radiators sound good but are not as efficient as aluminum/plastic.

>  (Strangely enough, when I
>got OFF the freeway, she cooled down quickly, and almost to normal [
>middle of the gauge ].)
>
>Have already bought new coolant (old coolant loses its effectiveness,
>right?)

Loses additives that protect against corrosion.  Still conducts heat
the same.

>  Will drain the system and put in the new coolant.

Beware an excessive coolant concentration -- you car will run hotter
with significantly more than 50% coolant in the mix.

>How do I check the radiator fan (just turn the car on and watch it as
>the car gets warm?)

Radiator fan has no bearing on freeway engine temperatures.  Only at
slow speed.

Don
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>!!!  ANYthing else I can do to put the odds in my favor? !!!
>
>Thank you, people.
>
>HarryTruman
jeffcoslacker - 21 Jun 2006 00:42 GMT
heating up at high speed and going down at lower speeds is usually an
indication of insufficient flow...I'd replace the thermostat and have
it flushed. If you were using the A/C (I'm sure you are), the fan(s)
should run all the time.

But the fans are not a factor once the car is moving at any speed. So
if you weren't running hot sitting at a red light or something, that's
not the issue.

A badly worn water pump impeller can do this too, but that's pretty
rare.

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Dan  Beaton - 21 Jun 2006 01:47 GMT
Adding to previous comments:

Make sure your oil is fresh and rated for your conditions. (Check the
manual.) Have it changed if you aren't sure. Keep the oil topped up.

If the car seems to be overheating, turn the car heater on full.
Yes, it will make it very uncomfortable inside. (The A/C is off already,
right?) The temp should drop with the additional cooling capacity.

A high temperature may be normal for your car under those condtions.

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> I live in the California desert. Yesterday it was 105 degrees; not even
> really hot for around here (I'm told it got up to 127 last year).
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>
> HarryTruman
AZ Nomad - 21 Jun 2006 04:07 GMT
>I live in the California desert. Yesterday it was 105 degrees; not even
>really hot for around here (I'm told it got up to 127 last year).

>So yesterday I drove my '90 Geo Metro down the freeway and the temp
>gauge got as CLOSE as it could to the Hot 'red' part of the temp gauge
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>got OFF the freeway, she cooled down quickly, and almost to normal [
>middle of the gauge ].)

>Have already bought new coolant (old coolant loses its effectiveness,
>right?)  Will drain the system and put in the new coolant.

Make sure you only use a 50/50 mix with water.  100% coolant doesn't
cool as effectively.
ray - 22 Jun 2006 21:21 GMT
> So yesterday I drove my '90 Geo Metro down the freeway and the temp
> gauge got as CLOSE as it could to the Hot 'red' part of the temp gauge
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> got OFF the freeway, she cooled down quickly, and almost to normal [
> middle of the gauge ].)

Is the front airdam still there and still in one piece?  Some cars like
82-92 Camaros WILL overheat if you lose the airdam.

The wife's Beretta had a broken one for years, I finally cut the rest of
it off... the temp went up "one tick" on the digital dash - still
normal, but definitely warmer - it used to always be 3-4 "ticks" on the
gauge, now it's 4-5 ticks.

Ray
jeffcoslacker - 22 Jun 2006 22:21 GMT
ray Wrote:

> > So yesterday I drove my '90 Geo Metro down the freeway and the temp
> > gauge got as CLOSE as it could to the Hot 'red' part of the temp
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>
> Ray

That's a very good point...one I havent seen happen in some time, but
it does fit the syptoms. They can't get enough airflow through the
radiator on some models without the deflector underneath....Good one!

With RV's and horse trailer haulers, I've even seen them running with
the hood unlatched, justt the safety hook holding it down, to get "ram
air" cooling through the whole engine compartment when running up
mountain grades and desert....

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do_not_spam_me@my-deja.com - 22 Jun 2006 23:57 GMT
> I live in the California desert. Yesterday it was 105 degrees; not even
> really hot for around here (I'm told it got up to 127 last year).
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> Have already bought new coolant (old coolant loses its effectiveness,
> right?)

It loses its ability to prevent corrosion but not to prevent
overheating or freezing.

Use the same type of coolant that you originally had, and don't switch
to Dex-cool (red-orange) unless that was what you had because it can
dissolve deposits left by other coolants and turn soupy.  Don't use a
flushing chemical unless you're prepared to replace the water pump
since those chemicals can dissolve deposits that have been plugging
leaks.  Some water pumps are driven by the timing belt and can be
difficult to change.

If your hoses have more than about 6 years or 75,000 miles on them,
replace them. and use molded hoses, even for the heater hoses, not
accordian flex hoses, which crack much more easily..  If you replace
any spring hose clamps with screw clamps (you may have to, because of
tight access),  retighten them after a week, and check them at every
oil change because they don't seal as well as spring clamps or
heatshrink tubing and loosen over time.  I would also replace any old
radiator cap because cracked rubber in it can cause loss of pressure
and overheating.  Get an original equipment cap, not an aftermarket
one.

> How do I check the radiator fan (just turn the car on and watch it as
> the car gets warm?)

That works.  Also it should run continuously when the A/C runs.  Some
cars use a bimetal switch screwed into one of the radiator tanks to
control the A/C, and you can jumper it to check the fan and any relay.
Other cars use a thermistor, either screwed into a tank or a fitting
inline with one of the radiator hoses.
John S. - 23 Jun 2006 14:40 GMT
> I live in the California desert. Yesterday it was 105 degrees; not even
> really hot for around here (I'm told it got up to 127 last year).
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>
> !!!  ANYthing else I can do to put the odds in my favor? !!!

When the coolant was last changed was it mixed with the proper amount
of water?  If the individual didn't use pre-mix but installed undiluted
coolant concentrate it will not transfer heat effectively.  Have
someone check the coolant for proper mix.

Another and more likely possibility is that heat is not being removed
effectively by the radiator at high speed.  I would have the radiator
on your 16 year old car checked to see if it is partially clogged and
restricting the flow of coolant at high speed.
 
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