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Speed limiter wanted
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=AB Paul =BB - 24 Jun 2006 05:58 GMT Speed limiter wanted
Does any car come with a speed limiter like this? I do not want to worry about speeding and would like to be able to set my top speed to 35 mph, or 55 mph, etc. while driving. Pedal to the floor and I max 35 mph through small town speed traps. A long time ago cars used to have a set-able buzzer that would warn you of over speed.
Kaz Kylheku - 24 Jun 2006 07:00 GMT «» wrote:
> Speed limiter wanted > > Does any car come with a speed limiter like this? Many come with cruise control, which isn't the same thing but does the job and is more useful.
> I do not want to worry about speeding and would like to be able to set my top > speed to 35 mph, or 55 mph, etc. while driving. Driving a manual transmission goes a long way. Some of these comments could apply to semi-manuals also, I suppose.
In an automatic, you can go from 0 to freeway speeds while doing nothing but maintaining a light throttle. It will shift as necessary and keep accelerating. Obviously, this is not the case with a manual.
If I'm driving through a park or school zone where the speed limit is 30 km/h, I know that I'm observing the limit, because I'm in second gear, doing no more than about 2000 RPM. There is a big difference that can be felt between that and going 35, and by the time you get to around 40 in second gear, you are pushing it quite a bit and it's asking for an upshift.
After a while, you develop an intuition about what speed you are going, from the continuous feedback and integration of the sensations of the throttle position and sound of the engine with what's indicated by the instrumentation. So if you tell yourself you're going to go a certain speed, then you just stay in the feeling for that speed. And, by golly, whenever you glance at the speedometer, you will find that you are in fact going at that speed. Moreover, that will cease to be a surprise after a while.
Plus you are simply more engaged with the car to begin with; your mind does not drift as much away from the task of driving, so you are more likely to pay attention to the dash as well as the road.
> Pedal to the floor and I max 35 mph through small town speed traps. Your pedal could not have direct linkage to the engine throttle for that to be implemented properly. How do you imagine this working? WIth the pedal to the floor, you'd have maximum acceleration until achieving the limiting speed and then suddenly, the throttle would change to just maintain that speed. Is that what you envision?
Or would you want the pedal to not control throttle at all, but only serve as an indication to accelerate?
In that case, cruise control will do the job. Use your accelerator pedal to get to the minimum speed for cruise control and then enable it. It will take over so you can remove your foot from the accelerator completely. From there, you can set your coasting speed, or tell the cruise system to go a bit faster or slower with its controls. I.e the up-down control is your accelerator, effectively. If you slow down, you can tell it to resume coasting at the original speed.
> A long time ago cars used to have a set-able buzzer that would warn you of over > speed. If you need that, it means you are not paying enough attention to the driving. You don't want to speed, but your own daydreaming mind is allowing you to lose the control that you would like to have. The real benefit of the buzzer is that you wake up and pay attention.
fiveiron@webtv.net - 02 Jul 2006 13:36 GMT dunno about warning / speed control devices, but using the speed control should only be done for hiway driving for safety purposes.
new cars at one time had a mechanical governor, not any more.
revving seems to be a necessity at times.
I liked the buzzer system g m had.
driving is a full time job.
see what is in this site that's useful.
http://www4.tpg.com.au/mpaine/speed.html
>mho >v fe =AB Paul =BB - 02 Jul 2006 17:06 GMT > dunno about warning / speed control devices, but using the speed control > should only be done for hiway driving for safety purposes. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >mho > >v fe Thanks. Even a simple beeper/buzzer that I could set would be good. I may be able to come up with something using the VSS.
Al Bundy - 24 Jun 2006 13:59 GMT «» wrote:
> Speed limiter wanted > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > A long time ago cars used to have a set-able buzzer that would warn you of over > speed. I suspect it could be done without too much trouble on today's cars, but there just is not the demand for it. When I was a kid, the guy across the street attached a block of wood under the acclerator pedal so the son wold not over-rev the engine on his 53' Ford. Of course, top speed was limited too.
Ken Moiarty - 01 Jul 2006 12:31 GMT How 'bout a radar detector? Train yourself to make use of it and you will also train yourself to frequently check your speedometer. Admittedly, some vehicles are harder than others for keeping one's speed in perfect check (like a vehicle that's not your own personal vehicle).
Personally I don't worry too much about what my exact speed happens to be. It only takes one or two glances at the speedometer while it's at the speed limit, and after that I can fairly accurately judge my speed while just watching the road. The only times I have been stopped and ticketed for speeding were times when I was intentionally and persistently doing so (e.g. on empty, wide open freeway engineered and built for 70+ mph but which still has posted on it that obsolete "1972 energy-crisis spawned, and wholly failed" experiment, the absolute 55 mph speed limit).
Ken
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> Speed limiter wanted > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > over > speed. jeffcoslacker - 01 Jul 2006 13:08 GMT Ken Moiarty Wrote:
> How 'bout a radar detector? Train yourself to make use of it and you > will [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > > over > > speed. I had an idea a LONG time ago, for a radar detector that was integrated into the car's cruise control, so you set the legal speed where you are into the detector, and set your actual speed into the cruise, and if the detector gets a strong alert, the cruise drops the throttle and coasts down to the legal limit...but even that could have unwanted safety ramifications, I decided...
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Ken Moiarty - 02 Jul 2006 10:41 GMT > [...] > I had an idea a LONG time ago, for a radar detector that was integrated [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > coasts down to the legal limit...but even that could have unwanted > safety ramifications, I decided... Interesting idea, but you're right about the potential unwanted safety ramifications; not to mention the problem of "false alarms" that a radar detector will regularly deliver to the cruise control, making it impractical. On that note, using a radar detector is somewhat of an art IMHO. One becomes somewhat familiar with the radar detector's beep (and/or other sound) patterns and such so as to distinguish mere "noise" from the more likely to be meaningful warnings.
On a tangent to this topic, I was just thinking today how convenient it might be if the speed limit for a particular stretch of road one is on could be broadcast (like, in digital form) from short range transmitters installed in tandem with speed limit signs, to cars equipped with compatible receivers. The information could then, either, be continuously displayed in the car's console for the driver to see at any time, or relayed directly to a cruise control circuit. I was about to dismiss the thought as technically unworkable given that radio signals will not obediently confine their range to just the right stretch of road and nowhere else, when it occurred to me that GPS technology could be incorporated into such a system, rendering the idea entirely plausible.
Of course such a system, if developed and proven practical for drivers, would not likely be received with open arms by governments. Why? Simple: it would cost them revenue. Aside from the revenue they'd obviously have to spend to implement it of course, it would be perceived by them as a threat to a time honored source of revenue which bureaucrats and politicians have long taken for granted as 'cash for the taking': the fines now routinely collected from countless "law breaking" drivers for (whether wholly unwittingly or not) "exceeding the posted speed limit".
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jeffcoslacker - 02 Jul 2006 12:16 GMT Ken Moiarty Interesting idea, but you're right about the potential unwanted safety ramifications; not to mention the problem of "false alarms" that a radar detector will regularly deliver to the cruise control, making it impractical. On that note, using a radar detector is somewhat of an art IMHO. One becomes somewhat familiar with the radar detector's beep (and/or other sound) patterns and such so as to distinguish mere "noise" from the more likely to be meaningful warnings. On a tangent to this topic, I was just thinking today how convenient it might be if the speed limit for a particular stretch of road one is on could be broadcast (like, in digital form) from short range transmitters installed in tandem with speed limit signs, to cars equipped with compatible receivers. The information could then, either, be continuously displayed in the car's console for the driver to see at any time, or relayed directly to a cruise control circuit. I was about to dismiss the thought as technically unworkable given that radio signals will not obediently confine their range to just the right stretch of road and nowhere else, when it occurred to me that GPS technology could be incorporated into such a system, rendering the idea entirely plausible. Of course such a system, if developed and proven practical for drivers, would not likely be received with open arms by governments. Why? Simple: it would cost them revenue. Aside from the revenue they'd obviously have to spend to implement it of course, it would be perceived by them as a threat to a time honored source of revenue which bureaucrats and politicians have long taken for granted as 'cash for the taking': the fines now routinely collected from countless "law breaking" drivers for (whether wholly unwittingly or not) "exceeding the posted speed limit". Ken -- ---------------------------------------------------- This mailbox protected from junk email by MailFrontier Desktop from MailFrontier, Inc. [URL="http://info.mailfrontier.com" Wrote:
> http://info.mailfrontier.com[/URL] Yeah you wouldn't want your cruise to suddenly drop the throttle just as a semi was bearing down on you from behind...:eek:
You're right about having to decipher what your detector is trying to tell you...I always leave mine in the most sensitive mode, which creates tons of false alerts, but I unconciously filter them out, and only respond when the signal has that "urgent" sound to it that I've learned to recognize...drives my friends nuts when they ride with me...:lol: ...I know where every radar emitting motion detector for security and door openers in town are...I wondered if those areas are also problematic for the police to get a useable return on their signal? Never thought about that, but I've never seen them running radar traps in areas with lots of ambient radar noise....
I've noticed from driving over the road as a truck driver that there are some ares (particularly around Chicago) where they have emitters that broadcast radar detector jamming signals very strongly from boxes mounted up by highway signs, etc. But as to my previous observation, I wonder if the police radar is useable in those areas?
The day they put something IN MY CAR that can narc me off for speeding is the day I quit driving...I know some rental companies and fleets use them now, and I also know that your ECM is capable of a data capture ala the black box in an airliner, to record what happened in regards to speed, brake application, deceleration, etc leading up to a crash...but that is only used in very limited circumstances where the details of say a fatal accident are not readily understood, and more info is needed to reconstruct the events and assign blame...
So I guess it's not that much of a stretch to suppose that they could (if not already happening) use the data recorded by the ECM to be a kind of "character witness" to your driving habits, excessive speed, sudden acceleration and braking, etc. I know that the truck I drive has a system that logs this stuff so my company can weed out drivers that are hard on equipment and wasting fuel....
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Ralf Ballis - 02 Jul 2006 12:59 GMT « Paul » wrote:
> Does any car come with a speed limiter like this? > I do not want to worry about speeding and would like to be able to set my > top speed to 35 mph, or 55 mph, etc. while driving. > Pedal to the floor and I max 35 mph through small town speed traps. > A long time ago cars used to have a set-able buzzer that would warn you of > over speed. Some trucks in Europe comes with a switchable speed limiter 80 km/h in combination with an electronic acceleration.
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Ralf
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