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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / Maintenance and Repair / June 2006

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1995 Ford E350 RV 460 Pre-detonation Problem

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dabworth - 29 Jun 2006 02:30 GMT
The truck has 15000 miles on it and has been thru 3 engines due to
pre-detonation. Timing is correct but jumps around a bit, have verified
chain to be OK. has new distributer and pickup, ICM checks OK, Ive been
thru idle air , map & 02 sensors , any ideas what else could cause this
condition besides fuel quality???
lugnut - 29 Jun 2006 04:42 GMT
>The truck has 15000 miles on it and has been thru 3 engines due to
>pre-detonation. Timing is correct but jumps around a bit, have verified
>chain to be OK. has new distributer and pickup, ICM checks OK, Ive been
>thru idle air , map & 02 sensors , any ideas what else could cause this
>condition besides fuel quality???

Are you setting the timing with the SPOUT connector pulled
as it should be?  The observation that the timing is jumping
around a bit is typical of setting the timing with the SPOUT
connector installed.  You may want to thoroughly clean the
MAF sensor if it has one to make sure it is reading the air
intake correctly.  I don't recall immediately whether the
'95 460 was MAF or speed density but, I believe it was MAF
controlled.  There are instructions with photos in various
places on the web.  You may want to make sure you have the
correct brand and heat range spark plugs installed.  Many
times, a plug of a different brand with the same heat range
rating may actually operate in a different heat range than
the same heat range designation of the recommended brand.
Have you checked to make sure the engine is not running a
bit on the feverish side.  An increase of only 10 deg F or
so above the recommended operating temp can easily cause
this.  An incorrect EGR flow will also cause this.  You may
want to replace the EGR control sensor.  I don't know if
yours has an EVP sensor or a DPF sensor.   They do not
always set a code.  Also, pay close attention to the routing
of the spark plug wires.  Incorrect routing can sometimes
result in crossfire under load.  It is possible that a
crossfire to another cylinder just stating the compression
stroke can be the same a super advanced timing causing
extreme pressures in the affected cylinders.  The factory
shop manual and some others will show a specific way in
which the wires are to laid out and installed.  This can be
a PITA but, may be well worthy the effort.  There have been
TSB's to this effect over the years related to some Ford
engines.  Don't specifically recall that being the case with
the 460.

Good Luck
Lugnut
thecombustionkid - 29 Jun 2006 15:10 GMT
> >The truck has 15000 miles on it and has been thru 3 engines due to
> >pre-detonation. Timing is correct but jumps around a bit, have verified
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> Good Luck
> Lugnut

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I dont know who you guys (or girls) are, but i just learned alot from
reading these two paragraphs. Some of what "lugnut" said was a bit over
my head, and my experince in Fords is little to none. But i just wanted
to say that i feel alright because i learned something...so...thanks!
 
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