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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / Maintenance and Repair / July 2006

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Inline Fuse For CB Power Cord

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Harry Face - 04 Jul 2006 06:30 GMT
Plugged in one of the CB radio's today ( in the Buick ) and the 2 amp
inline fuse blew.

Could this of been caused by the wires being two different sizes?

The wires coming out of the lighter plug going to the fuse holder are
about 2 sizes bigger than the wire coming out of the fuse holder going
to te back of the CB radio.

Tried two other CB's and they worked fine.

harryface
05 Park Avenue 41,698
91 Bonneville 307,076
Scott Buchanan - 04 Jul 2006 07:03 GMT
No.

> Plugged in one of the CB radio's today ( in the Buick ) and the 2 amp
> inline fuse blew.
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> 05 Park Avenue 41,698
> 91 Bonneville 307,076
sdlomi2 - 04 Jul 2006 08:19 GMT
> Plugged in one of the CB radio's today ( in the Buick ) and the 2 amp
> inline fuse blew.
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> 05 Park Avenue 41,698
> 91 Bonneville 307,076

   No, is my vote also.  You could plug the fused wire directly to the
positive post of the battery and blow no fuse if all else is ok--and look at
how big that post is as compared to the fused wire!
   Has always been easy for me to carelessly short a wire when checking a
temporary 'rig'.  HTH & good luck, s
Steve W. - 11 Jul 2006 04:50 GMT
Sounds like that radio got hooked up in reverse sometime. It takes less
than a second to blow the reverse polarity protection diode in the
radio. Once it goes it will blow fuses regardless of what size you use.
Not a hard repair if you own a soldering iron and can find a Radio Shack
to buy a replacement diode from. (99% of AM only rigs can use a 1N4001,
AM/SSBs use 1N4007 due to the higher current draw on them) It is an easy
part to find. Just open the case and look for a large diode right next
to the area the power wires are soldered to the board. It will look like
the ones you bought. Just desolder it after making a note of it's
orientation (which way the band goes) and solder in the new one. Clip
the leads, put the case back together and hook it back up.

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> > Plugged in one of the CB radio's today ( in the Buick ) and the 2 amp
> > inline fuse blew.
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>     Has always been easy for me to carelessly short a wire when checking a
> temporary 'rig'.  HTH & good luck, s
AZ Nomad - 11 Jul 2006 05:22 GMT
>Sounds like that radio got hooked up in reverse sometime. It takes less
>than a second to blow the reverse polarity protection diode in the
>radio. Once it goes it will blow fuses regardless of what size you use.

A reverse polarity protection diode isn't going to conduct at all.
That's what the word "protect" means.  It won't go and it won't blow fuses.
Kevin - 11 Jul 2006 14:02 GMT
> >Sounds like that radio got hooked up in reverse sometime. It takes less
> >than a second to blow the reverse polarity protection diode in the
> >radio. Once it goes it will blow fuses regardless of what size you use.
>
> A reverse polarity protection diode isn't going to conduct at all.
> That's what the word "protect" means.  It won't go and it won't blow fuses.

This is normally the case, but in my experience I have found some blown
diodes that wind up causing a short. This is usually because when they burnt
out, the solder connection melted and shorted  the circuit to ground.  A
visual inspection of the diode is all that is needed to verify its
condition. If it is melted it is probably shorted. If it looks ok it might
still be blown (open circuit), but would not be causing a short circuit.

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AZ Nomad - 11 Jul 2006 14:57 GMT
>This is normally the case, but in my experience I have found some blown
>diodes that wind up causing a short. This is usually because when they burnt
>out, the solder connection melted and shorted  the circuit to ground.  A
>visual inspection of the diode is all that is needed to verify its
>condition. If it is melted it is probably shorted. If it looks ok it might
>still be blown (open circuit), but would not be causing a short circuit.

Are you talking about a series diode or a parallel diode?
A series diode would simply not conduct.

A parallel diode would be in series with the fuse.  The diode would
never be sized where it would be damaged;  the fuse would blow and then
there would be no more current through the circuit.

Are you doing anything silly like using a fuse larger than originaly
engineered?
Kevin - 11 Jul 2006 18:57 GMT
> >This is normally the case, but in my experience I have found some blown
> >diodes that wind up causing a short. This is usually because when they burnt
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> Are you doing anything silly like using a fuse larger than originaly
> engineered?

The OP said he hooked it up in reverse polarity and suspects he burnt out a
diode. I was just commenting that a burnt diode is not always an open
circuit. They can and sometimes do produce a short to ground when they burn.

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AZ Nomad - 11 Jul 2006 19:45 GMT
>> >This is normally the case, but in my experience I have found some blown
>> >diodes that wind up causing a short. This is usually because when they
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>> Are you doing anything silly like using a fuse larger than originaly
>> engineered?

>The OP said he hooked it up in reverse polarity and suspects he burnt out a
>diode. I was just commenting that a burnt diode is not always an open
>circuit. They can and sometimes do produce a short to ground when they burn.

A series diode can't produce a short to ground.  It isn't connected there.

You need to get an understanding of what a diode is and how they operate.
A series diode will *never* short out if power is connected backwards.
It simply will not conduct.
A parallel diode might burn out, but the fuse should protect it.  Diodes
are not fuses.  The fuse is there to protect the circuit, not the other
way around.

More likely, there wasn't any protecting diode at all and the radio
was severely damaged by the reverse connection.  Time to toss it
out and get a new one.
Kevin - 11 Jul 2006 20:45 GMT
> >> >This is normally the case, but in my experience I have found some blown
> >> >diodes that wind up causing a short. This is usually because when they
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> was severely damaged by the reverse connection.  Time to toss it
> out and get a new one.

I understand your point and I agree that the radio is probably toast. A
burnt diode in series will produce an open circuit. However I guess I failed
to properly explain my point, which is that a burnt diode may not always
produce an open circuit but may actually become bridged and not function as
a diode anymore. I guess you would say it becomes a closed circuit which
will pass current in either direction rather than a short to ground, but in
any case, it will not always produce an open circuit when it fails..
Nothing to do with the radio, but case in point would be a burnt diode on an
alternator rectifier might actually cause a parasitic drain on the battery
by causing a short to ground through the stator.
That is all I was trying to say. I do agree that this probably has nothing
to do with the radio in question and I should have brought up the subject in
a different manner. My mistake.
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=AB Paul =BB - 04 Jul 2006 15:42 GMT
> Plugged in one of the CB radio's today ( in the Buick ) and the 2 amp
> inline fuse blew.
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> 05 Park Avenue 41,698
> 91 Bonneville 307,076

Nah.  The max power usage of the radio is probably less than 2 amps.
4 watts out ~= 12 watts in = 1 amp.
My guess is the fuse was bad.  They go bad from internal corrosion.
Harry Face - 05 Jul 2006 23:45 GMT
A splice that had screw caps under the electrical tape came loose.
Soderd the wires together then used heat shrink tubing to seal it .

harryface
 
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