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Who besides myself, carries their tools in their car?

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Lawrence Glickman - 16 Sep 2006 02:29 GMT
I carry almost _all_ my car tools in my trunk.  This is a lot of
weight, but most likely LESS than the weight of an extra passenger.

I carry them on the theory that if I need them, as in something goes
wrong with the car while on the road ( where else would it go wrong?
), I'll have what I need with me.

OTOH, I'm using up gas driving around this extra passenger.  But I
think of it as insurance.  Not being stranded...being able to do most
repairs at a rest area or some such.

How many of You folks out here carry a significant quantity of tools
(extra weight) in your car at all times?  I know people with huge
toolboxes, and they keep most all their tools in their garage all the
time.  Lot of good that will do them on the road.  OTOH, if a water
pump goes out, I don't fancy changing one of those out at a rest stop.

What's your take on carrying tools/parts in your vehicle at all times
like I do?

Just curious.

Lg
Erik - 16 Sep 2006 04:05 GMT
> I carry almost _all_ my car tools in my trunk.  This is a lot of
> weight, but most likely LESS than the weight of an extra passenger.
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
>
> Lg

I have a big wheeled bag of tools that stays permanently in the back of
my car... mostly duplicates of tools I've acquired through the years. It
must weigh over 75lbs.

It sees service several times a month, however, very little is
automotive to tell the truth. Most of the time, it's over at a
friend/family members place, and they've asked me to take a quick look
at something for them. Seems to be mostly electrical, phone and minor
plumbing issues.

A couple of things I find especially handy to keep in the bag... a
couple of those plastic snap on lid food containers. One filled with
misc nuts, bolts washers, wire nuts, butt splices and all that. The
other is filled with an outlet tester, 120 and 12V test lights, phone
line tester, some misc wire scraps, a small roll of cloth backed sand
paper in a 35mm film can, about 10' of .032 aircraft safety wire and a
small cheap analog VOM without battery. (Batteries corrode too fast left
in the car, it's usually easy enough to scrounge up a AA when the ohm
meter is needed.)

A selection of vise grips, and a pair of those giant Channel Locks...
you'd be amazed what you can do in a pinch with the big Channel Locks.

The rest is pretty much a big selection of screwdrivers,
pliers,fractional & Metric combination wrenches, 1/4 & 3/8" socket sets
in old tube socks, claw and ball peen hammer. About a 30' piece of 3/8"
rope too. Don't forget the rags...

There is more, but you get the idea... I wouldn't leave home without
that bag...

Erik

I also have a pretty nice little HF clamp on vise, and high tension
hacksaw
Don Bruder - 16 Sep 2006 05:20 GMT
> I carry almost _all_ my car tools in my trunk.  This is a lot of
> weight, but most likely LESS than the weight of an extra passenger.
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
>
> Lg

My take? Wouldn't have it any other way!

I don't carry *ALL* of my tools, but the passenger side floorboard of my
ride does bear a striking resemblance to a combination toolchest/parts
store.  

Of course, I offer the excuse that I make my living by having the car
rolling down the road under its own power, so if something relatively
easy to fix breaks, I want whatever is needed to fix it readily
available. Brakes starting to grind at 3 in the AM out in the middle of
nowhere, with 20 miles of downhill in front of me? Pull that puppy over
to the side, plug the spotlight into the lighter socket, pull the spare
set of brake pads out from under the passenger seat, and do a pad change
right there on the spot. U-joint starts howling in a similar situation?
It just so happens that I keep two spares in the glove-box, and can swap
in a new one with the driveshaft still on the car in just under half an
hour. Alternator goes tango-uniform? Surprise! I've got a spare (and
spare belts) in the trunk. (right alongside the ziploc containing a full
set of fresh plugs, a plug-gapper on the keyring, the plug wires from
the last change, and a fresh distributor cap and rotor)

At one point, I even had a freshly-rebuilt spare carb riding around in
the trunk! Never mind the gallon of Delo that fits perfectly into the
space between the passenger-side headlight and the front wheel well,
right  next to the windshield washer reservoir, and the tire-plugging
kit tucked into the passenger door pocket, and 12 volt air compressor
under the driver's seat, along with the full-size spare *AND* the
"donut" spare that are in the trunk at all times.

And then, of course, I've got "The ultimate toolbox" in the console: A
fully-charged AAA-Plus card. Saved my bacon a few times now - Ever
busted not one, not two, but *THREE* lug-wrenches while trying to break
loose a frozen lug so you can change a flat? I have...

Of course, then there was my last call to AAA - No (reasonable) amount
of tools and spare parts could have fixed it. Rear countershaft bearing
in the 5-speed stick tranny puked, dropping the back end of the
countershaft so that it didn't mesh with the output shaft gears, leaving
me with 3rd and 4th gear only. Sing along, boys and girls! (To the tune
of "Jim Dandy to the Rescue") AAA to the rescue, AAA to the resssscue!
Go AAA, Go AAA! :)

(Fortunately, I had a spare tranny sitting in the garage, so about 2-3
hours after the AAA flatbed dropped me off at home, the car was back on
the road under its own power)

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2ofdem - 16 Sep 2006 07:25 GMT
Ive got the basic sockets, spanners and a few other bits and peices
probably be able to fix anything I know how to fix with the tools in
there.
Lawrence Glickman - 16 Sep 2006 08:50 GMT
>Ive got the basic sockets, spanners and a few other bits and peices
>probably be able to fix anything I know how to fix with the tools in
>there.

That's what I wanted to know.  Curiosity, you know, as when I see a
lot of people open their trunks at the grocery store to load their
food bags their trunks look empty...and I am left wondering what
they're going to do if they get caught out in the rain?  Call AAA?
_Most_likely_.

But I know that most of the people on THIS n/g are motorheads, and are
a little more independent in that regard.  Then again, you can't take
it all with you ( well you could, but it would leave little room for
*cargo* ).

My guess is that most people are depending on a tow truck to bail them
out if they get into trouble.  I'm also guessing they have a credit
card or two to pay the $$$ it is going to cost to get their problem
fixed by somebody else.  Then again, they probably have the $$$,
whereas I don't.

If I break down somewhere, I don't even have enough money for a hotel
room for the night.  At least, not at the moment.  Nevermind a tow and
a repair that isn't under warranty anymore ( my car is more than 36
months old, so the *normal* warranty has expired and I'm just on the
emissions warranty at this time ).

Lg
ricebike - 16 Sep 2006 09:37 GMT
i carry a small set of metrinch tools/ ones that fit sae & metric
nutz/bolts... a pair of pliers, some zipties, coathanger, duct tape...

finally, my AAA+ card & a prepaid cell phone:2cents:

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Lawrence Glickman - 16 Sep 2006 11:37 GMT
>i carry a small set of metrinch tools/ ones that fit sae & metric
>nutz/bolts... a pair of pliers, some zipties, coathanger, duct tape...
>
>finally, my AAA+ card & a prepaid cell phone:2cents:

All good choices IMO.  Especially the cell phone for when things
really go wrong ( hoping they don't, but there aren't any guarantees
).

I suggest adding some kind of tire repair kit to what you mention
above.  My experience driving around on a donut spare mini tire isn't
suggestive of a safe way to get home, especially if you need to drive
on a high-speed highway.

The kit can be anything from foam in a pressurized can to a plug for
radial tires (my choice), but if you cut the sidewall, you'll have to
go to the spare.  I've repaired full size tires in my garage in the
middle of winter with the plug kit.  It isn't hard to do.  But you'll
need a portable air pump cause you have to empty the pressure in the
tire when you ream the hole for the plug.

Lg
Lawrence Glickman - 16 Sep 2006 08:28 GMT
>> I carry almost _all_ my car tools in my trunk.  This is a lot of
>> weight, but most likely LESS than the weight of an extra passenger.
[quoted text clipped - 65 lines]
>hours after the AAA flatbed dropped me off at home, the car was back on
>the road under its own power)

Amazing!
No, I don't belong to AAA.  I wonder if that should be another thread.

Breaking 3 lug wrenches?  I believe it.  The rot they supply with cars
these days look like they were made from melted down sardine cans.  I
threw mine away, a gave the scissor jack to a cop I know for free.
IMO, they were real junk.  I replaced those things with better
equipment.  One toy is a 30X torque multiplier for those tight lug
nuts.  Haven't used it yet, but have it on hand on general principals.
But I also have a 3/4 inch socket wrench that can be used for a truck,
nevermind a passenger sedan, so I doubt I'll be breaking anything
other than wheel studs with that on hand.

My air tools stay home, as does my rather large air compressor,
although I have a little tire-inflating one I carry in the back seat.
That weighs next to nothing,  but my experience with them is that they
don't last long if used regularly, so save it for emergencies.  Last
time, something in my tiny air compressor motor went tango uniform and
kept blowing fuses in the vehicle.  I never took the motor apart to
see what the problem was, but rather just bought a new pump.  I
wouldn't have had parts for the older model anyhow.

I am encouraged to see some other people feel the same way about this
idea as I do.  My idea is it isn't going to do you any good at home
when you're not =at= home, but 200 miles away.

Lg
Don Bruder - 17 Sep 2006 00:32 GMT
> >> I carry almost _all_ my car tools in my trunk.  This is a lot of
> >> weight, but most likely LESS than the weight of an extra passenger.
[quoted text clipped - 68 lines]
> Amazing!
> No, I don't belong to AAA.  I wonder if that should be another thread.

Some swear *AT* AAA - I swear *BY* 'em.

(Although it can be an "adventure" having somebody answer the door with
a .38 leveled at you and "Who the f.ck are you and what the hell do you
want at this hour?" when you go looking for a phone in a cell "dead
zone"...)

> Breaking 3 lug wrenches?  I believe it.  The rot they supply with cars
> these days look like they were made from melted down sardine cans.  I
> threw mine away, a gave the scissor jack to a cop I know for free.

Aye to the scissor jack... Damned things aren't worth the tin they're
seemingly pressed out of. Which is why I've got a 3.5 ton rated,
$28-on-sale-at-Kragen's, complete with fold-up chocks (junk...) and a
pair of 4-ton rated jackstands "trolley-jack kit" in the trunk. It's
good to be able to "get it up", and even better to be able to *KEEP* it
up when you gotta crawl under, doncha know!

> IMO, they were real junk.  I replaced those things with better
> equipment.  One toy is a 30X torque multiplier for those tight lug
> nuts.  Haven't used it yet, but have it on hand on general principals.
> But I also have a 3/4 inch socket wrench that can be used for a truck,
> nevermind a passenger sedan, so I doubt I'll be breaking anything
> other than wheel studs with that on hand.

Tow truck guy got there and the first thing he did was split a half-inch
drive socket on that particular lug. Then he "got serious" - broke out a
3/4 drive socket, with a 4 foot breaker bar. When THAT didn't break it
loose, he added a 10 foot cheater pipe. That *FINALLY* got it. I was
*WAY* less embarrassed about having to call a tow truck for a flat tire
after his first socket broke, and by the time he was bouncing on the end
of the cheater-bar with his full weight, my embarrassment went away
completely - I consider it something of a humiliation to have to call
"the pros" for something as "trivial" as a flat, but even he said "This
one really *DID* need a tow" before it was all said and done! (Was the
first time I'd needed to try to pull that wheel off since buying the car
as a $300 beater-mobile, so I had no clue how badly frozen the bolt was
- It was *REALLY* bad!)

> My air tools stay home, as does my rather large air compressor,

Yep, no point in toting a compressor that needs a plug, or air-tools
that need a compressor that big.

> although I have a little tire-inflating one I carry in the back seat.
> That weighs next to nothing,  but my experience with them is that they
> don't last long if used regularly, so save it for emergencies.  

No question: they're not meant for anything but emergeny use. That said,
when you need one, you *NEED ONE*. I do newspaper delivery, on a route
that takes me 60 miles from the nearest "anything useful", in the middle
of the night. And let me tell ya, the one I've got has saved me having
to do an actual tire change (or worse, needing to call somebody) several
times, and has survived well beyond expectations.

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Lawrence Glickman - 17 Sep 2006 03:28 GMT
snips
>Some swear *AT* AAA - I swear *BY* 'em.
>
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>good to be able to "get it up", and even better to be able to *KEEP* it
>up when you gotta crawl under, doncha know!

Yep.  I've heard stories of guys getting turned into mashed potatoes
when their vehicle supports failed for one reason or another.  There
is probably even something on the WWW about that.

I wouldn't trust anything on asphalt, as I've had bicycle stands sink
into the stuff and tip the bike over ( when heated by the summer sun
).  You want a solid surface, preferably concrete, to provide a rock
solid footing for your support equipment.

>> IMO, they were real junk.  I replaced those things with better
>> equipment.  One toy is a 30X torque multiplier for those tight lug
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>3/4 drive socket, with a 4 foot breaker bar. When THAT didn't break it
>loose, he added a 10 foot cheater pipe. That *FINALLY* got it.

Let me do the math:
200 lb guy hanging at the end of a 10 foot piece of pipe provides
2,000 pound feet of torque!  One TON.  I'm surprised the bolt didn't
snap off.  That's an amazing testimonial to the materials vehicles
USED to be built out of.  Today it is mostly plastics and lightweight
alloys, to cut down on fuel consumption.

> I was
>*WAY* less embarrassed about having to call a tow truck for a flat tire
>after his first socket broke,

For something like that, I use impact sockets.  I think they are less
likely to self-destruct.

> and by the time he was bouncing on the end
>of the cheater-bar with his full weight, my embarrassment went away
>completely - I consider it something of a humiliation to have to call
>"the pros" for something as "trivial" as a flat, but even he said "This
>one really *DID* need a tow" before it was all said and done!

I've heard the same from other people about trying to get lugs out of
some front wheel drive vehicles.  Some folks use a torch to heat
around the lug to break the corrosion free.  I'm more inclined to use
the mechanical advantage of a tool, special or otherwise.  Less chance
of warping something that way, IMO.

> (Was the
>first time I'd needed to try to pull that wheel off since buying the car
>as a $300 beater-mobile, so I had no clue how badly frozen the bolt was
>- It was *REALLY* bad!)

Yes.  I have a nut cracker for such cases, and special lug nuts for my
deep alloy wheels.  They those special and expensive lug nuts have an
extra large conical surface for extra gripping power.  And when one of
those freezes up, you know why I use big wrenches and torque
multipliers ( 30 rotations of torque multiplier = 1 rotation of wheel
lug nut ).

>> My air tools stay home, as does my rather large air compressor,
>
>Yep, no point in toting a compressor that needs a plug, or air-tools
>that need a compressor that big.

I've seen CONTRACTORS and subcontractors carry them around in their
cargo areas, but hey, they're getting PAID to carry that stuff...I'm
not.

>> although I have a little tire-inflating one I carry in the back seat.
>> That weighs next to nothing,  but my experience with them is that they
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>to do an actual tire change (or worse, needing to call somebody) several
>times, and has survived well beyond expectations.

At least you can just re-inflate the tire at periodic intervals until
you can get back to the car barn to take the wheel off and do it
right.  BTDT.

Lg
Don Bruder - 17 Sep 2006 05:17 GMT
> >Tow truck guy got there and the first thing he did was split a half-inch
> >drive socket on that particular lug. Then he "got serious" - broke out a
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> USED to be built out of.  Today it is mostly plastics and lightweight
> alloys, to cut down on fuel consumption.

Wanna know the funny part? This thing is an '82 Mazda 626 - Classic "Jap
crap" car. "Crap" indeed... NOT! DAMN tough little cars. I've had two of
the exact same ride, only in different colors - Both have been tough as
nails. Took getting creamed by a PT Cruiser to kill the first one, and
even that didn't "kill" it - I had to turn off the key to kill the
engine after finally coming to rest against a tree - Just turned it into
an undrivable parts-donor (Trashed the fender and front end, and pushed
the driver's side strut-pylon in about 8 inches, and back a foot or more
- Good luck fixing THAT and getting anything that even remotely
resembles a decent alignment on it afterwards on a unibody-type vehicle
like this!) The engine out of the wrecked one is now powering the
current one, and going strong. Likewise, the tranny from the wrecked one
is now in the current one. That $50 (what I paid to "buy it back" from
the insurance company after the wreck) was a real good investment, I'd
say! :)

And yes, I'm impressed at the bolt holding as hard as it did. I fully
expected it to twist off and leave me needing to either drill it out or
buy a new hub assembly. (This car uses lug BOLTS, not NUTS - on the rear
they're pushed through the slightly-oversized, unthreaded hole in the
drum and thread into the (one-piece) axle/hub assembly. Ditto on the
front, except directly into the rotors)

> Yes.  I have a nut cracker for such cases, and special lug nuts for my

Well, like I said above, this one uses lug bolts rather than the more
usual lug nuts on studs, so a nutcracker would have been *ALMOST* (but
not quite) as useful as a screen door on a submarine. :)

> >Yep, no point in toting a compressor that needs a plug, or air-tools
> >that need a compressor that big.
>
> I've seen CONTRACTORS and subcontractors carry them around in their
> cargo areas, but hey, they're getting PAID to carry that stuff...I'm
> not.

I've been pondering the feasibility of something I've seen a couple of
times - The Les Schwab (major tire dealer out here on the left coast)
service trucks around here are equipped with a little two-stage
compressor driven off a fan-belt on the engine, using a clutch much the
same as you usually see on an AC compressor. I'm thinking I could do
something similar (maybe even adapting an actual AC compressor?) on my
rig - Would likely be a LOT quicker than dealing with that little 12
volt unit I've got. Don't get me wrong... I love the little thing, and
it's pulled me out of more than a few jams, but in all honesty, it takes
*FOREVER* to blow up a tire from "dead flat", even with the itty-bitty
13 inch tires on my Mazda.

> At least you can just re-inflate the tire at periodic intervals until
> you can get back to the car barn to take the wheel off and do it
> right.  BTDT.

That's why I've got a plugging kit in the door pocket. Plug it, blow it
up once, and finish the route. Simpler that way :)

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Pete C. - 17 Sep 2006 18:39 GMT
> Amazing!
> No, I don't belong to AAA.  I wonder if that should be another thread.

AAA is cheap backup. I've had them come in real handy at 2am in Montreal
(was up for the Jazz Festival) when my clutch mater cylinder crapped
out. Could have been a real pain in the butt, but with AAA they got me
towed to a good local garage and I was able to get it replaced very
reasonably and without any hassles. For the few dollars a month AAA
costs it's certainly worthwhile and that's not counting the other
services they offer.

Pete C.
dingbat@codesmiths.com - 16 Sep 2006 11:35 GMT
> I carry almost _all_ my car tools in my trunk.

I almost did that with my Rangerover, but there wasn't space.

These days I carry the toolkit that came with the car, and a cellphone.
Cars just don't break down these days (compared to 20-some years ago)
and if I can't fix it with one wire or one hose clip, I'm almost
certainly looking at a towtruck, even if I had brought a full toolkit
with me.

Off-road is different, as then you're looking at survival ablative
impact damage.
Lawrence Glickman - 16 Sep 2006 11:51 GMT
>> I carry almost _all_ my car tools in my trunk.
>
>I almost did that with my Rangerover, but there wasn't space.
>
>These days I carry the toolkit that came with the car, and a cellphone.

I didn't get a toolkit with my Merc Sable.  Just a junk scissor jack
and a junkier lug wrench.

>Cars just don't break down these days (compared to 20-some years ago)
>and if I can't fix it with one wire or one hose clip, I'm almost
>certainly looking at a towtruck, even if I had brought a full toolkit
>with me.

Depends on if you are in the boonies or in the city when the car takes
a dump.  If an alternator or starter begins to get flakey, you still
have some time to get to a parts store and after paying a core charge,
do the work yourself somewhere, IF you can get out of the weather.
That's always a problem...lying in slush under a car in the winter
trying to swap out a starter motor or such.  I've done it, but it
isn't pleasant.

>Off-road is different, as then you're looking at survival ablative
>impact damage.

I would think off-road would be a matter of life and death, in winter
or midsummer, when weather could end up taking your life from
dehydration or freezing.

Lg
Steve - 17 Sep 2006 20:04 GMT
>> a cellphone.

Ah yes. I do carry that too, and when I plan a trip I print out roadside
assistance numbers for all the states I'll be running through and toss
that in as well. Never had to use the cellphone yet (knock wood...)

Another reason I'm a firm believer in self-repair capability rather than
JUST a cell phone an AAA card is that all the places I ever want to
actually *go* for pleasure in a car are pretty remote. My idea of hell
on earth would be taking a vacation (especially driving) to a city or
most of the east third of the US.  Cell coverage is still spotty in many
of the places we like to go.
Scott Dorsey - 16 Sep 2006 14:16 GMT
I was driving down the highway, and there was a VW bus by the side of the
road with people staring in the engine compartment.  Since you don't see
very many VW busses on the road these days, I pulled over and asked if I
could help.  Now, for clarity, let me say that I drive an early-eighties
BMW to work every day which was not cared for well by the previous owners
and I am slowly working out various problems.

I asked if I could help, and the guy asked if I had a wrench.  "What size?"
"Ten."  "Ten millimeter?"  "Yeah."  "Open-ended, box, socket, or spanner?"

The man looked at me like I was out of my mind for driving around with a
full tool kit in the back of the car.  Given the car I was driving, I would
have been foolish not to have it.  Given the car HE was driving, I thought
he was out of his mind not to have a full toolkit....

And in the end, I was especially glad to have penetrating oil too.
--scott
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Lawrence Glickman - 16 Sep 2006 14:56 GMT
>I was driving down the highway, and there was a VW bus by the side of the
>road with people staring in the engine compartment.  Since you don't see
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>And in the end, I was especially glad to have penetrating oil too.
>--scott

Yep.  I keep a can of PB Blaster in the trunk, along with WD40 and
silicon spray.  I guess I should toss in a bottle of Mobil 1,
=although=, my car doesn't burn any oil, and I've been looking at a
full dipstick since I put the stuff in 4,000 miles ago.  OR, maybe I
topped it up once and can't remember.  At any rate, it's cheap
insurance the way I figure it.

But it isn't cheap to _buy_.  That's the rub.  If you're going to have
a comprehensive kit in your boot, it is going to cost some bucks.  But
we all have kits, in this newsgroup, so the only question is leave it
home or take it with you?  I decided take it with you is the best
idea.  What good is fix a flat going to do me sitting on my desk at
home when I have a flat in the next state over?

I've still got some little odds and ends I would like to have, and
pick up an item or two each month if the budget can afford it.  These
are not snap-on quality, but they work, they get the job done.

Sure if I did this for a living, and used these tools on a daily
basis, for 8 hours or more a day, I would want the best tools money
could buy.  But the stuff I have is *good enough* for the occassional
use it is going to get.  The idea in my mind, it is better to have it
and not need it, than to need it and not have it handy.

Now the weather this winter is going to go down to 20 below zero.  I
wonder how my electronics diagnostic tools are going to hold up.  I
expect they will, as most of the control systems in my car are
electronic and they work just fine in sub zero weather.

You were nice to stop and help that guy out.  Most people are in too
much of a hurry, unprepared themselves, and/or just don't want to get
involved.  My attitude is sort of...if the guy is depending on people
like ME to save his butt, he made a big mistake.  A stranded lady on
the other hand gets full service if she wants or needs it.

Lg
Scott Dorsey - 16 Sep 2006 18:35 GMT
>But it isn't cheap to _buy_.  That's the rub.  If you're going to have
>a comprehensive kit in your boot, it is going to cost some bucks.  But
>we all have kits, in this newsgroup, so the only question is leave it
>home or take it with you?  I decided take it with you is the best
>idea.  What good is fix a flat going to do me sitting on my desk at
>home when I have a flat in the next state over?

Right.  But on the other hand, why should I drive around with twenty pounds
of standard wrenches when the car I am driving is all-metric?

And what about things like taps and dies that probably ought to be kept
inside and out of the weather?

>Sure if I did this for a living, and used these tools on a daily
>basis, for 8 hours or more a day, I would want the best tools money
>could buy.  But the stuff I have is *good enough* for the occassional
>use it is going to get.  The idea in my mind, it is better to have it
>and not need it, than to need it and not have it handy.

For some tools, I will keep a good quality one at home and a crappy
emergency quality one in the car.

Some things I keep a bunch of.  For example, I have a high grade Beckman
DVM on the bench at home, plus a couple good Fluke portables.  But ALSO
I went and bought a box of ten cheap $10 Chinese DVMs and have them
in every glove compartment, every suitcase, everywhere.  They aren't as
accurate as the Beckman... hell, I wouldn't trust beyond the second digit
at best.... but they're there.

>You were nice to stop and help that guy out.  Most people are in too
>much of a hurry, unprepared themselves, and/or just don't want to get
>involved.  My attitude is sort of...if the guy is depending on people
>like ME to save his butt, he made a big mistake.  A stranded lady on
>the other hand gets full service if she wants or needs it.

If it was a late model SUV, I wouldn't have stopped.  Air cooled VWs,
Model As, Citroen 2-CVs and the occasional Hawk I'll stop and help.
--scott

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Lawrence Glickman - 16 Sep 2006 20:23 GMT
>>But it isn't cheap to _buy_.  That's the rub.  If you're going to have
>>a comprehensive kit in your boot, it is going to cost some bucks.  But
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>Right.  But on the other hand, why should I drive around with twenty pounds
>of standard wrenches when the car I am driving is all-metric?

Lucky you.  My Merc Sable is both metric and English.  Now that you
mention it, I'm taking my vernier calipers out to the car tool box.
Sometimes it is hard to tell which is which.

>And what about things like taps and dies that probably ought to be kept
>inside and out of the weather?

True, but there are metal ammo boxes at the surplus store that you can
seal and put dessicant into.

>>Sure if I did this for a living, and used these tools on a daily
>>basis, for 8 hours or more a day, I would want the best tools money
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>For some tools, I will keep a good quality one at home and a crappy
>emergency quality one in the car.

Good idea if you can afford it.

>Some things I keep a bunch of.  For example, I have a high grade Beckman
>DVM on the bench at home, plus a couple good Fluke portables.  But ALSO
>I went and bought a box of ten cheap $10 Chinese DVMs and have them
>in every glove compartment, every suitcase, everywhere.  They aren't as
>accurate as the Beckman... hell, I wouldn't trust beyond the second digit
>at best.... but they're there.

Good idea.  You only need 1/10th of a volt resolution anyhow.

>>You were nice to stop and help that guy out.  Most people are in too
>>much of a hurry, unprepared themselves, and/or just don't want to get
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>Model As, Citroen 2-CVs and the occasional Hawk I'll stop and help.
>--scott

It is always a hazard to pull over *on the road* to help anybody.
Some drunk or drowsy driver could end it all for us in the blink of an
eye.  Its a judgement call each of us has to make.

Lg
=?x-user-defined?Q?=AB?= Paul =?x-user-defined?Q?=BB?= - 16 Sep 2006 16:54 GMT
> I carry almost _all_ my car tools in my trunk.  This is a lot of
> weight, but most likely LESS than the weight of an extra passenger.

I carry a small old metal toolbox, about 12"x9"x9".
In it are enough tools to do just about anything except remove the transmission.
It has saved me more than once.
I also keep record of all my tools on an excel spreadsheet and when I travel for
the company (about once per month) I take a copy of the spreadsheet and stop at
pawn shops in industrial areas to replenish lost and broken tools.
Lawrence Glickman - 16 Sep 2006 18:49 GMT
On Sat, 16 Sep 2006 15:54:44 GMT, "« Paul »" <" « Paul
»"@houston.rr.com> wrote:

>> I carry almost _all_ my car tools in my trunk.  This is a lot of
>> weight, but most likely LESS than the weight of an extra passenger.
>
>I carry a small old metal toolbox, about 12"x9"x9".
>In it are enough tools to do just about anything except remove the transmission.
>It has saved me more than once.

Now you have me thinking about all the stuff I don't have in the car:
spare battery charger ( I've got lots of extras but not in the car )
extension cord for above charger...
tow line/strap, although I saw on Google Video of a car being torn in
half by a tow rope that was attached at a bad attachment point.  The
truck pulling the car through a snow drift took the entire rear end
off, including the trunk and rear quarter panels! ;-\ leaving the
front end of the vehicle still in the snowbank.  Be careful if you
have a plastic car!

spare blanket
spare water
spare food bars

extra flashlight

let's just say I'm already short on trunk space, because this week's
groceries spilled over into the back seat ;-|

>I also keep record of all my tools on an excel spreadsheet and when I travel for
>the company (about once per month) I take a copy of the spreadsheet and stop at
>pawn shops in industrial areas to replenish lost and broken tools.

I used to go the pawn shop route until I found out I can buy New at
Harbor Freight for less than really used at the pawn shop.  I've never
seen anything at a pawn shop that I thought was a bargain.

Lg
=?x-user-defined?Q?=AB?= Paul =?x-user-defined?Q?=BB?= - 16 Sep 2006 20:50 GMT
> On Sat, 16 Sep 2006 15:54:44 GMT, "« Paul »" <" « Paul
> »"@houston.rr.com> wrote:
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>
> Lg

I also carry a good nylon tow rope.  No food though.  Food is everywhere.
Sometimes I take along a charger & extension cord but only if the elec system is
acting up.  My company threw out a bunch of APC battery backups and I brought
several home.  Hook heavy wires and clamps to them and they make good 115v
invertors that can run lights, drills, laptops, etc.  Comes in handy for the type
of work I sometimes do.
IMO, most of the stuff at HarborFreight is junk (although I have stuff from
there).  Pawn shops will sell like new Craftsman, Mac, SnapOn, etc. sockets and
wrenches for $1 each.  Depends on the pawn shop probably.
Scott Dorsey - 16 Sep 2006 21:00 GMT
>> I used to go the pawn shop route until I found out I can buy New at
>> Harbor Freight for less than really used at the pawn shop.  I've never
>> seen anything at a pawn shop that I thought was a bargain.

I'll take a twenty-year old Wiha or Mac product that's been run over a couple
times long before I'll take a brand new Harbor Freight one.

Harbor Freight even sold me an _anvil_ that broke.  How can you screw up
making an anvil?
--scott

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Lawrence Glickman - 16 Sep 2006 23:31 GMT
>>> I used to go the pawn shop route until I found out I can buy New at
>>> Harbor Freight for less than really used at the pawn shop.  I've never
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>making an anvil?
>--scott

I remember your post about that anvil ;-\  Must have been a poor
casting.  I just bought a humongous ball joint removal/installation
tool from Harbor Freight

http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=38335

Let's just say I want to use the C-Clamp as a press for knocking out
broken wheel studs.  It's a monster, weighing in at 13 pounds ( yes, I
weighed it ).  Most of the people I've talked to about this say just
to whack on the broken stud with a light-weight sledge hammer.
Eh...what is that doing to the wheel bearing?  I would rather press it
out thanks.  Now if THIS breaks, knocking out a lousy wheel lug, I
dunno.  That may be my last visit to Harbor Freight.

In summary, here's what I know for a fact:

Keeping tools in the garage ( detached and unheated ) is inviting
RUST.  I know this, as I've already ruined a pneumatic impact wrench
and hammer by leaving them in the garage.  So...storing my tools in
the garage is out of the question.  They _will_ rust.  

Then, I don't know about keeping them in the trunk.  Will they rust in
there?  =maybe=.  Which means, in the house they go, where they won't
be available probably when I most need them.

What could go wrong on the road?

Most likely:

broken serpentine belt
loose wiring connections
blown bulbs and/or fuses
flat tire

So what would you NEED for that?

Most likely:

serpentine belt spare
serpentine belt changing tool
extra bulbs and fuses
tire repair kit

If I take the stuff in the house, the tools will be OK ( won't rust or
be stolen ) and my gas mileage goes UP.  This stuff altogether weighs
a lot, and there is always the possibility of having it stolen (
happened to my dad...they clean out the trunk and left the rest of the
car alone ).

I'm at a loss here.  That's why I started this thread to begin with.
To see what motorheads do.  Some tools in the car, the rest at home.
I may just go that route myself, unless I'm headed cross-country or
something ( highly unlikely ).

Lg
Lawrence Glickman - 16 Sep 2006 23:34 GMT
On Sat, 16 Sep 2006 19:50:33 GMT, "« Paul »" <" « Paul
»"@houston.rr.com> wrote:

>> On Sat, 16 Sep 2006 15:54:44 GMT, "« Paul »" <" « Paul
>> »"@houston.rr.com> wrote:
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>>
>> Lg

=======================================================================
>I also carry a good nylon tow rope.  No food though.  Food is everywhere.
>Sometimes I take along a charger & extension cord but only if the elec system is
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>there).  Pawn shops will sell like new Craftsman, Mac, SnapOn, etc. sockets and
>wrenches for $1 each.  Depends on the pawn shop probably.

Well the pawn shops around my house are crooks.  They sell mostly
junk, so they're no better than Harbor Freight in that respect, and
they want too damn much money for what they have to offer IMO.

Lg
=?x-user-defined?Q?=AB?= Paul =?x-user-defined?Q?=BB?= - 17 Sep 2006 02:31 GMT
> Well the pawn shops around my house are crooks.  They sell mostly
> junk, so they're no better than Harbor Freight in that respect, and
> they want too damn much money for what they have to offer IMO.
>
> Lg

Nothing around my place either.  When I go to the steel mill or refinery towns I
stop in the pawn shops.
Lawrence Glickman - 17 Sep 2006 03:41 GMT
On Sun, 17 Sep 2006 01:31:29 GMT, "« Paul »" <" « Paul
»"@houston.rr.com> wrote:

>> Well the pawn shops around my house are crooks.  They sell mostly
>> junk, so they're no better than Harbor Freight in that respect, and
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>Nothing around my place either.  When I go to the steel mill or refinery towns I
>stop in the pawn shops.

Indeed so.  The pawn shop on the way to Gary Indiana has some enormous
industrial power tools, that dwarf what most people's imaginations can
conjure up.  Evidently these tools were used in the steel mills at one
time or another, and they are huge, heavy, and power hungry.  But the
local shops...are full of useless junkola.

The problem is, you don't have the right sized air compressor to run
some of these industrial tools.  The air compressors used on these
things run about $20,000 New in the Box.  You see them hanging on
crane hooks off the ground at night so thieves can't steal them.  All
of that stuff is major overkill for working on a car like mine, which
is made out of thin sheet metal and plastic.  The only solid part of
my car is the engine block, which is cast iron.  Everything else is
*don't touch, you might break it."

Lg
ray - 16 Sep 2006 17:59 GMT
> What's your take on carrying tools/parts in your vehicle at all times
> like I do?
>
> Just curious.
>
> Lg

I used to.  Now I carry a cell phone.
My other strategy is to have multiple cars.  The Beretta and the truck
are both 16 years old so they need repairs on a regular basis, but if
properly maintained they don't leave me on the side of the road, and
you've always got one running vehicle when one does break.
And with one kid and another on the way, I'll probably be adding a
Subaru wagon over the winter to the "fleet" so I have two spare cars and
the Beretta can be "retired" in a year or two.

I just found that either nothing happens, or when my car breaks, it's
not something that can be fixed on the side of the road - (timing gear)

OTOH, if it's a project car like my buddy's Nova that seems to require
perpetual attention, we don't go to 7/11 without a full trunk of tools.

Ray
Lawrence Glickman - 16 Sep 2006 18:56 GMT
>> What's your take on carrying tools/parts in your vehicle at all times
>> like I do?
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>
>I used to.  Now I carry a cell phone.

Yah, I've got a cell phone, but who to call?  Myself?  I can call a
tow truck.  That's $220 to take my car from Downtown Chicago to my
driveway, and that's just for the tow.  It's probably more expensive
now...that was some time ago.

>My other strategy is to have multiple cars.  The Beretta and the truck
>are both 16 years old so they need repairs on a regular basis, but if
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>I just found that either nothing happens, or when my car breaks, it's
>not something that can be fixed on the side of the road - (timing gear)

So far, I've only had to replace fuses, light bulbs, adjust cowl hold
downs, and replace a broken wheel stud or two.  Plus a serpentine
belt.  Nothing major yet.  Surely the day I take my tools out and
bring them in the house, is the day something bigtime bites the dust.

>OTOH, if it's a project car like my buddy's Nova that seems to require
>perpetual attention, we don't go to 7/11 without a full trunk of tools.
>
>Ray

Chevy Nova?  I had a Pinto at one time that was like that.  Which car
would you say was worse...the Pinto or the Nova.  I vote =both= were a
communist plot to destroy our car industry.

Lg
ray - 16 Sep 2006 23:30 GMT
>>>What's your take on carrying tools/parts in your vehicle at all times
>>>like I do?
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> driveway, and that's just for the tow.  It's probably more expensive
> now...that was some time ago.

I either call the wife to bring the truck - which has a tow chain, or my
buddy with the Nova, who can bring me parts and tools - or my truck.

 >
> So far, I've only had to replace fuses, light bulbs, adjust cowl hold
> downs, and replace a broken wheel stud or two.  Plus a serpentine
> belt.  Nothing major yet.  Surely the day I take my tools out and
> bring them in the house, is the day something bigtime bites the dust.

And that's the thing - last time I was caught by surprise by a dead car
on the side of the road was 10 years ago, not including dead batteries
in winter.  And that time was the timing gear in my Fiero 3000 miles
from home.  I have driven 200 miles with parts to help my buddy's Nova
though when the ignition coil packed it in on the side of I29.

I've just started to conclude that dead cars need parts, and I don't
have them with me, so if I gotta go home to get parts, I can get the
tools at the same time.  I've changed my share of starters in -30
downtown in the dark, which is why I'd rather have two winter cars...
one to tow the other home to a nice warm garage.

>>OTOH, if it's a project car like my buddy's Nova that seems to require
>>perpetual attention, we don't go to 7/11 without a full trunk of tools.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> would you say was worse...the Pinto or the Nova.  I vote =both= were a
> communist plot to destroy our car industry.

Oh no, his Nova is no Pinto.  Maybe originally.  It's his toy car now.
Was originally a 6cyl/powerglide in yellow with a green interior.  Now
it's a 350/TH350 in purple with a grey interior.  His regular car/winter
car is a PT Cruiser, but the Nova is always "under construction" - new
shifter, electric fan, A/C install, etc... it keeps him busy when he's
not helping me with the race car. ;)

Ray
N8N - 16 Sep 2006 19:06 GMT
> I carry almost _all_ my car tools in my trunk.  This is a lot of
> weight, but most likely LESS than the weight of an extra passenger.
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
>
> Lg

Not really relevant, but one time I was moving from Michigan to
Virginia.  I had all of my "prized possessions" and essentials in the
car with me (read: my collection of tools, and a couple changes of
clothes.)  Of course, the same car that I'd been driving to work every
day for years had an alternator failure on the Ohio turnpike.

Having all my tools with me helped the poor bastard that had a flat
tire and pulled over at the same place I did (he needed a breaker bar
and "cheater pipe") but changing an alternator at the side of the road
in the pouring rain was a bit much for me (it's underneath the engine
on a VW Scirocco with A/C.)  I wimped out and had it towed to a shop.

So much for my "badass mechanic" credentials.

nate
Lawrence Glickman - 16 Sep 2006 20:15 GMT
>> I carry almost _all_ my car tools in my trunk.  This is a lot of
>> weight, but most likely LESS than the weight of an extra passenger.
[quoted text clipped - 35 lines]
>
>nate

Yes it is spot on relevant, because sometimes even if you do have the
tools, the weather won't let you do the job if you can't find shelter
and work space and lighting for the repair(s).

Then again, I don't have a choice.  I'm cash poor and car rich.  So
rain, sleet, snow, arctic express, anything short of a tornado or a
flood, I've _got_ to do the work myself, if warranty won't cover it.

So that means I have to stuff foul weather gear into the vehicle, some
kind of emergency heat source, some kind of emergency lighting ( I
have flares, but they don't light up the work area ), and so on.

I get anal about pre-winter maintenance, but -still- that's no
guarantee I'm not going to have any problems as the vehicle ages.
Preventive maintenance can only take you so far.  Hitting a pothole in
the middle of a highway at night, or rolling on to *black ice* ( look
it up in Google ) can ruin your car and ruin your day in a heartbeat.
BTDT.  I guess I'm getting paranoid again.  Time for another pill.

Lg
Ad absurdum per aspera - 18 Sep 2006 21:55 GMT
> So that means I have to stuff foul weather gear into the vehicle

THAT's not paranoia nor poverty talking, nor is it reserved for people
who can and will fix their own car.  It's just sensible preparedness
for getting smacked upside the head by Mother Nature and living to
tell.   Also good to carry some energy bars,  and a  flashlight, and
road flares.   Amazing how cold you can get by the time the people who
noticed your absence and the people who noticed the skidmarks put their
heads together...

Even if help is on the way, civilization is not far, and nobody's badly
hurt, a little preparedness can make life's minor predicaments a lot
more comfortable.

As an ex Californian, I also got used to thinking of the car as an
earthquake-preparedness cache (food, water, some old clothes,
blanket...)    Not everybody gets earthquakes, but pretty much
everybody could get hit by *something*, and a surprisingly modest
weight and volume of well-chosen items can make you a lot safer or at
least more comfortable when it hits the fan.  This is especially true
if either you're not at home when it happens (most of us spend 1/3 of
the day, plus commute time, away from home but in or near the car) or
you're at home but you have to leave in a hurry.   Good to know that no
matter how hurried your exit or how chaotic the circumstances, a
nucleus of stuff is already in the car...
John S. - 17 Sep 2006 14:46 GMT
> I carry almost _all_ my car tools in my trunk.  This is a lot of
> weight, but most likely LESS than the weight of an extra passenger.
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
>
> Lg

I guess my cars are maintainted to the point that I don't worry about
being stranded.  It would be pointless to carry around 200 pounds of
tools in the trunk.
Lawrence Glickman - 17 Sep 2006 16:27 GMT
>> I carry almost _all_ my car tools in my trunk.  This is a lot of
>> weight, but most likely LESS than the weight of an extra passenger.
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
>>
>> Lg

==============================================================
>I guess my cars are maintainted to the point that I don't worry about
>being stranded.  It would be pointless to carry around 200 pounds of
>tools in the trunk.

Right.  I brought almost everything in the house, and am looking at an
enormous mess of tools for this and that.

Left the tire changing equipment in the trunk.  And the flares, etc.
Might just need my cheapo socket/torx/driver/wrench kit for changing
bulbs, and the fuses.  Other than that...the rest can stay here inside
safe and dry.  

Serpentine belt is newish ( this Spring ), everything else is ship
shape.  I don't know why I've had this organizational problem lately.
Maybe that fall from the tree that left me unconscious for 12 hours
has something to do with it. ;-\

So...just tire changing stuff, emergency air pump, serpentine belt
tool and old (spare) belt, plus fuses and a bulb or two should do it.

Lg
ray - 18 Sep 2006 03:01 GMT
> Left the tire changing equipment in the trunk.  And the flares, etc.
> Might just need my cheapo socket/torx/driver/wrench kit for changing
> bulbs, and the fuses.  Other than that...the rest can stay here inside
> safe and dry.  

for normal city driving I don't even have a spare in my Trans Am
anymore.  I have to remove the nitrous bottle.  (seriously.)
If I was to go on a long road trip I'd probably put the spare back tho.
:)

Ray
Lawrence Glickman - 18 Sep 2006 03:52 GMT
>> Left the tire changing equipment in the trunk.  And the flares, etc.
>> Might just need my cheapo socket/torx/driver/wrench kit for changing
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
>Ray

I realize now it is just nuts to endeavor to carry a service station
full of equipment around in a vehicle, UNLESS you are moving through
some REMOTE part of the planet.  Or unless you're driving a Repair
Truck for the tollway authority.

If something goes wrong with the ignition, computer, power steering,
transmission, brakes, any number of things I can think of that would
leave the vehicle undrivable and not field-repairable, the cell phone
and my gps receiver are going to bring rescue...unless again, I'm in a
cell phone dead zone.

Usually New Parts are going to be required for a repair.  I can't
carry 1 each of all the parts that might be needed, or more likely,
Never Needed.

No guarantees in Life, I guess.  You do what you think is best, and go
with that.  Right now, I'm planning on just a minimal kit for the
vehicle, and leaving all the heavy duty and heavy weight stuff in the
house to be used and taken out as needed.

Lg
ray - 18 Sep 2006 15:18 GMT
> No guarantees in Life, I guess.  You do what you think is best, and go
> with that.  Right now, I'm planning on just a minimal kit for the
> vehicle, and leaving all the heavy duty and heavy weight stuff in the
> house to be used and taken out as needed.
>
> Lg

that's cool.
You have to decide how much stuff you might need and plan for the likely
to happen stuff (serpentine belt, flat tire, dead battery) and consider
carrying tools and parts for that, and not worry about the unlikely
stuff or impossible to fix by the side of the road stuff - timing belt,
bent valve, broken ball joint, etc.

In my Jimmy I used to carry a roughtote with oil, coolant, booster
cables, a blanket and candles, a flashlight, one of those tire
inflaters, and a tow chain.  In 5 years, all I ever used was the tow
chain to pull other people out of the ditch.  After the Jimmy rusted
away it's been sitting in my garage and I realized that I really didn't
need to carry that much crap driving around in the city most of the
time, and now that I have kids, I need all the trunk space I can get.

But... if I was to travel 1000 miles in the winter I'd probably put it
back in the trunk and carry other stuff too.  My co-worker basically
carries his entire toolset in the trunk of his caprice because he drives
100 miles out into the country on a regular basis... but even then, he
now has a Neon and doesn't carry nearly the same tools...

Ray
Ashton Crusher - 17 Sep 2006 16:28 GMT
>I carry almost _all_ my car tools in my trunk.  This is a lot of
>weight, but most likely LESS than the weight of an extra passenger.
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
>
>Lg

I keep a very small toolkit in the car, jumper cables and some paper
towels. Of the bunch the two most commonly used are the jumper cables
and paper towels.

I used to carry everything but the kitchen sink including oil, PS
fluid, extra jacks, shovel, all kinds of tools, flares, etc and never
needed any of it.
Lawrence Glickman - 17 Sep 2006 17:00 GMT
>>I carry almost _all_ my car tools in my trunk.  This is a lot of
>>weight, but most likely LESS than the weight of an extra passenger.
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
>>
>>Lg

===============================================================
>I keep a very small toolkit in the car, jumper cables and some paper
>towels. Of the bunch the two most commonly used are the jumper cables
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>fluid, extra jacks, shovel, all kinds of tools, flares, etc and never
>needed any of it.

Yes, I've come aboard the ship.  I hauled in over 100 pounds of tools
and brought them in my room ( I have one room that is my inner sanctum
sanctorum...family can have rest of the house ).  Enormous pile of
this and that, but really don't need this stuff "On the Road."

So I brought the vital "On the Road" stuff back out to the car in one
smallish carry bag, and have the rest of the stuff in =here= to use
when the occasion arises.

I guess we're all singing from the same sheet of music now ( figure of
speech ).  I got my mind right.  I think.

Lg
George - 17 Sep 2006 17:27 GMT
>I carry almost _all_ my car tools in my trunk.  This is a lot of
>weight, but most likely LESS than the weight of an extra passenger.
> ...
>What's your take on carrying tools/parts in your vehicle at all times
>like I do?

My brother used to do that.  Someone broke into the trunk one night and
cleaned it out for him.  Take care where you park.

G
Lawrence Glickman - 17 Sep 2006 17:39 GMT
>>I carry almost _all_ my car tools in my trunk.  This is a lot of
>>weight, but most likely LESS than the weight of an extra passenger.
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
>G

Same thing happened to my Father.  During broad daylight in a YMCA
parking lot.  Trunk locks are easy to pop, and if somebody SEES what
is in there when you open it, chances are they might even follow you
home to see where you live, and then steal it at their convenience.

My expensive stuff is now in the house, to be taken out and used as
needed.

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Pete C. - 17 Sep 2006 18:31 GMT
> I carry almost _all_ my car tools in my trunk.  This is a lot of
> weight, but most likely LESS than the weight of an extra passenger.
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>
> Lg

I keep a modest amount of stuff in the truck.

A $3 Harbor Freight DMM (leave the good Fluke DMM at home).

A Craftsman tool kit that contains regular and phillips screwdrivers,
1/4" driver handle, 3/8" ratchet, a good selection of inch and metric
sockets and a couple open end wrenches.

A selection of spare light bulbs and fuses.

A quart of oil and gallon of antifreeze premix.

An old serpentine belt as an emergency spare.

A cheap spotlight, a good maglight and an amber strobe with a long cord.

A liter of water and an MRE.

A GPS, cell phone and AAA card.

I figure all of that is perhaps 30# which is pretty irrelevant to a 1T
truck and should be enough to handle common issues.

Pete C.
Steve - 17 Sep 2006 19:57 GMT
> I carry almost _all_ my car tools in my trunk.  This is a lot of
> weight, but most likely LESS than the weight of an extra passenger.

I certainly never carry *all* my tools in the trunk. What I carry
depends on where I'm going and what I'll be doing. For everyday driving,
I have a basic driver-and-wrench toolkit in the trunk. I've rarely ever
needed it for my own car, but its come in real handy helping folks
who've had a breakdown. For long trips I carry a fairly complete set in
a small chest and a few key spares (ignition module, ballast resistor-
little stuff like that.) Plus duct tape, hose clamps, wire, and a tire
plug kit (even though I don't like plugged tires, its a good 'beside the
road' kind of fix). Can't strand me as long as I've got those! :-)

Yeah, I'm sure someone says "I carry an AAA card." Well, I've seen how
much time you can spend waiting the hours it takes AAA to respond, so no
thanks. :-p
Don Bruder - 17 Sep 2006 22:46 GMT
> > I carry almost _all_ my car tools in my trunk.  This is a lot of
> > weight, but most likely LESS than the weight of an extra passenger.
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> much time you can spend waiting the hours it takes AAA to respond, so no
> thanks. :-p

The AAA card is for those "It's so broke there ain't a damn thing I can
do with it sitting here" situations. Like the night of my tranny puking
the rear countershaft bearing - A clear case of "Goin' *NOWHERE* fast",
and gonna stay at exactly that speed until either the car gets to where
the spare tranny and "full shop facilities" are, or the tranny and shop
comes strolling to the car - and you can damn sure bet THAT ain't gonna
happen anytime soon!

For cases like that, you're going to be sitting there anyway (unless you
choose to start hoofin' it someplace - which might be a pretty damn
stupid stunt for any of several reasons) so it really doesn't much
matter how long the wait is going to be. Might as well find someplace to
dial "1-800-AAA-HELP" then make yourself as comfy as possible 'till the
big yellow truck pulls up.

Of course, counting on AAA as your "first option" when something goes
wrong - especially if it's something you can bailing-wire-and-bubble-gum
into working long enough to get you home/to the shop - is just plain
nuts, but for the situations where you've got no choice... Well, that's
why I pony up my 80 bucks a year - I *KNOW* that no matter how broke the
car is, it (and me) *WILL* get to someplace that can make it "unbroke" -
or at least declare it "really, truly dead".

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Harry Face - 18 Sep 2006 06:47 GMT
Moe : Go Get The Tools!

Larry : What Tools? ( Moe slaps Larry )

Moe: The Tools We've Been Using For The Last 10 years.

Larry : Oh.....Those Tools.

I've carried a tool box in the trunk of the Bonneville for 15 years.
The car never broke down on a road trip - but have helped others out.

When I changed the serpentine belt & radiator & heater hoses the
originals were fitted in around the spare tire well. They were there if
I needed them, Never needed them though.

Also carried a bottle of Prestone in a five gallon bucket that was tied
to the Jack box that stood upright in the RR Quarter panel. Also had two
quarts of Oil, one quart of trans oil & a small bottle of power steering
fluid. 3 Castrol GTX oil bottles fit snuggly in those white Rubbermaid
ice cube tray bins you put ice cubes in.  

The tradition continues with the Park Avenue.

harryface
05 Park Avenue 49,889
91 Bonneville 307,334
Lawrence Glickman - 18 Sep 2006 09:32 GMT
>Moe : Go Get The Tools!
>
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>05 Park Avenue 49,889
>91 Bonneville 307,334

Good story.  I remember the times I have had a serious problem on the
road, and it was tire/wheel trouble every time.  One time, a broken
stub axle, right front wheel, almost killed me.  

Now, where do you get a *spare* stub axle on the Queen's highway
between Detroit and Buffalo New York?  Answer is...you don't.  I
abandoned the car and hitchhiked back to Rochester, N.Y.  A few days
later the London Ontario Police call me on my phone and they say my
car is repaired and ready for pick up at this shop !

I take a bus to London Ontario, and pay $145 and drive away.  

Amazing story.  

You don't forget things like this.  But there is no way I could have
prepared for a wheel bearing failure.  Impossible to predict.  How
often does that happen?  Never.  Except to me.

Just before it snapped off, it started making a grinding noise and the
steering wheel was pulling to one side.  I am doing 70 miles/hour.
When I lost the wheel, it went up at an angle into the tire well.
Then I had to fight to keep the car from going out of control.

So, I will keep the engine and all else serviced, and hope nothing
breaks.  Everything is a million times easier to repair at home than
on the side of a highway.

I have *most* of my wheel/tire tools in the trunk now, with a spare
serpentine belt.  That's enough, I think.  Unless I am going
cross-country.  Then my camping equipment goes along with me as well
as a big load of tools and some spare fluids and bulbs.

Lg
Ad absurdum per aspera - 18 Sep 2006 21:01 GMT
I carry a small eclectic selection that I know from experience will
get me through the sorts of predicaments that I could realistically
expect to fix at the side of the road.    Some generically useful tools
and some that solve annoyances peculiar to that car.   I stash the old
belts that I've replaced, and in addition to tools and parts, I carry
some supplies useful for MacGyvering my way home or at least to the
next town.    I figure the deluxe kind of AAA membership will get the
hulk back home from my usual trips, and I also have various options for
having people bring me things or even grumping to the rescue with  a
tow dolly.

On long trips, I've occasionally bought tools where I bought the parts.

With the beaters, frankly, I'm also ready with a last-ditch option in
the event of catastrophic failure of something important and expensive:
sack up everything I really want out of the car, have it towed to its
eternal rest, and make my way home.

(I've always  thought it rather poignant  how some of the cars in
junkyards were plainly  in the midst of a long trip -- often a move,
judging from the contents; and perhaps involving owners who didn't have
a whole lot of resources.  Always makes me wonder if they got where
they were going, or went back home, or reinvented themselves in the
town where the car died, or what.)

I used to do some off-roading; the tool selection, the spares, the
vehicle capacity, and the range of troubles I figured on having to fix
by myself were all proportionately larger.  

--Joe
Nicik Name - 19 Sep 2006 04:28 GMT
> I carry almost _all_ my car tools in my trunk.  This is a lot of
> weight, but most likely LESS than the weight of an extra passenger.
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> What's your take on carrying tools/parts in your vehicle at all times
> like I do?
.357 magnum + spare tire.
CCW
Knifeblade_03 - 20 Sep 2006 01:07 GMT
I use a 3-tray fishing tackle box by Plano to hold the tools I always
carry in the trunk of my ride. I have done this, or similar this, with
every car I owned, more so with college [when I bought a ride to get
around there]. Since the weight is only around 20 lbs., no mpg to
weight issue there.

I agree with most of the others in one instance, I have a hydraulic
scissors jack and a solid wood board in there. I'll trade the jack's
weight off the mpg anyday. At least I know, over the board, the car
will go up. :) .  Along with that goes a 4-way lug wrench and cheater
pipe.  The board also fits well over snow, mud, water, other less than
pleasant environments.  And it keeps assorted tools and nuts away from
that stuff.  As well as my knee.

My box is influenced by 4x4 time, so I won't include the ancilliary
items for 4x'ing.  Elec. tape, duct tape, screwdrivers, Torx bit set,
fuses, light bulbs, screw clamps, set metric and SAE sockets.  A
Vise-Grip, pliers of different sorts, hammer, knife, some general
flotsam [extras from packages, wires, plugs, that sort of thing].  I
added a cardboard box with various fluids for the ride, some gloves,
rags, sprays and a mean Crescent Wrench:lol: .

I believe in having tools in the ride for those "times", :smokin: , but
I also feel that working on a ride begins at home.  My own philosophy is
"what can I reasonably do if I have a problem on the road".  My
ancilliary is "what can I do at home to reduce problems on the road".
Part of what I carry in the trunk is mostly used at home, just looking
around the ride, and doing what I feel should be done, with the "stuff"
I use for regular look-overs.

Cheers

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Lawrence Glickman - 20 Sep 2006 10:41 GMT
>I use a 3-tray fishing tackle box by Plano to hold the tools I always
>carry in the trunk of my ride. I have done this, or similar this, with
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>
>Cheers

I agree that the jacking tools are of utmost importance, Blade.  I
remember struggling with an OEM POS one summer on the side of a
highway, and have cursed the OEM stuff ever since.  The OEM lug wrench
was a POS, and the OEM jack was equally a POS.  

I now have a combination of electric -and- hydraulic, letting the
electric do the dirty work of the heavy lifting, and using the
hydraulic as a jackstand ( it has a safety pin, that I have proved
inadvertly, over and over, will easily support one end of my vehicle
;-\

The thing of it is, I have a broken left ulna/wrist, and physically
cannot use a manual hand-operated scissor jack.  So it is hydraulic
and electric these days.  The weight they take up is the price I have
to pay for having rolling rubber under my vehicle.

The only maintenance *due* before this winter as I see by my schedule
is a cooling system flush and refill, and...an annual oil change.
Yep...=yearly=, now that I'm running Mobil 1.  I realize that is going
to send some people through the ceiling, but that is their problem,
not mine.  It's been 9 months since my last oil and filter change.  In
that time, I've not even put 5,000 miles on the vehicle.  I'm also
running a Mobil 1 oil filter.

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