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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / Maintenance and Repair / September 2006

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Mazda Protege Heater fan only works on high

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Mike T - 19 Sep 2006 06:40 GMT
Can anyone help...my heater works fine if I turn the dial to level 4
but it seems that 1-3 levels do nothing.  I would have expected them
all to break if it was the fan, so is it likely the switch? or is it
possible that the motor can break on just some speeds?  any idea how
much this might cost?

any help is much appreciated!
Thanks,
Mike
jeffcoslacker - 19 Sep 2006 12:52 GMT
Mike T Wrote:
> Can anyone help...my heater works fine if I turn the dial to level 4
> but it seems that 1-3 levels do nothing. I would have expected them
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> Thanks,
> Mike

Call a parts store or dealer and ask if there is a blower resistor in
the circuit...some use one to create the different voltages for fan
speed, if not, it's a function of the switch...

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Don Bruder - 19 Sep 2006 13:57 GMT
> Can anyone help...my heater works fine if I turn the dial to level 4
> but it seems that 1-3 levels do nothing.  I would have expected them
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> Thanks,
> Mike

If you've got a four-speed fan, you've got three resistor coils, usually
mounted inside the air-box near the blower motor. In switch position 1,
one or more of those coils is switched intp the circuit between the
battery and the blower motor. In position 2, a different one (or
combination of them) is switched in, and so on, until position 4, where
none of them are switched in, and the blower is effectively connected
directly to the battery. If it only works on 4, one or more of those
resistor coils have burned out. Replace them (almost certainly as a
unit), and you'll have multi-speed fan again. Your local *DECENT* parts
place or a Mazda dealership will have them relatively cheap, but getting
to them to replace them may be *VERY* non-trivial. I'm not certain about
the Protege, but on my'82 626, they're an easy "3 screws and
5-minutes-or-less" swap - once you spend the hour and a half digging the
airbox/blower motor assembly out from under the dashboard...

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TeGGeR® - 19 Sep 2006 23:15 GMT
> I'm not certain about the Protege, but on my'82 626,
> they're an easy "3 screws and 5-minutes-or-less" swap - once you spend
> the hour and a half digging the airbox/blower motor assembly out from
> under the dashboard...

It's that hard? I've replaced a few on Hondas and Toyotas and they were
all right behind the glove box. Maybe ten minutes to remove the glove box.

Why would Mazda make it so hard?

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dingbat@codesmiths.com - 20 Sep 2006 00:00 GMT
> Why would Mazda make it so hard?

Because they're not as good at it as Citroen, who know how to make it
_really_ hard.

It's about a day to get the dash out on a Citroen XM, longer if you
expect the heater cable controls to still work when you put them back
afterwards.
Don Bruder - 20 Sep 2006 00:38 GMT
> > I'm not certain about the Protege, but on my'82 626,
> > they're an easy "3 screws and 5-minutes-or-less" swap - once you spend
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>
> Why would Mazda make it so hard?

It's the way all the pieces of the dashboard interlock, at least in the
'82 626. The airbox/blower motor *IS* right behind the glovebox. But
getting the glovebox out takes removing several large chunks of trim,
and a portion of the dashboard underpinnings, and if it isn't done in
precise order, you can't get the next piece that you need to remove to
come loose 'cause it's either screwed through by a "higher level" piece
that should have come out earlier, or there's no room to swing it past
another "same level" piece to actually remove it.

It's quite the pain in the arse, as I found out when trying to strip my
wrecked one, yet salvage as many pieces as possible.

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TeGGeR® - 20 Sep 2006 01:04 GMT
>> Why would Mazda make it so hard?
>
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> It's quite the pain in the arse, as I found out when trying to strip
> my wrecked one, yet salvage as many pieces as possible.

Ye Gods. Did Ford have anything to do with this, or is Mazda
just...different? Don't remember my old '74 RX-4 being that tough.

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Don Bruder - 20 Sep 2006 05:53 GMT
> >> Why would Mazda make it so hard?
> >
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> Ye Gods. Did Ford have anything to do with this, or is Mazda
> just...different? Don't remember my old '74 RX-4 being that tough.

There's a couple-four model years between '74 and '82, not to mention
the difference between the 626 and the RX-4! :) the '78-'79 model-year
boundary involved a near-total makeover of the 626 - almost nothing is
compatible between a pre-'79 and '79 or newer 626. '79 -'82 they stayed
almost unchanged, other than a few cosmetic bits (most visible being the
disapperance of the "exhaust system overheat" light from the instrument
panel for the '81 model year), and in '83, the new model was front-wheel
drive, and almost totally incompatible with previous models.  

But no, Ford hadn't gotten their fingers into the 626 by '82, at least,
not to my knowledge. At that point, I'm pretty sure that the only
connection Mazda had with Ford was a contract to build B2000s to be sold
as Ford Courriers. That started in about '77 or '78, if I recall
rightly. (I know for certain that a '78-'83 Courrier 2.0 liter engine is
identical to the engine in my '82 626, except that the valve cover on
the Courrier engine has the Ford logo molded/cast into it, while the
valve cover on my 626 engine bears the Mazda logo - Otherwise, if
there's anything incompatible between the two engines, I haven't
encountered it yet in my boneyard scrounging, which I've done a *LOT*
of) From '83 on, Ford DEFINITELY had their fingers in the 626 pie, but
everybody pretended that Ford and Mazda were still independent
operations.

Later on, I think it was '90, Mazda and Ford stopped pretending, and
just plain crawled into bed with each other - I believe it was the
'90-94 Probe - or maybe the Taurus - I'd have to hunt it up to be sure -
but whichever one it was, for something like 4 model years, Mazda sold
the Protege, which was nothing more or less than an "upscale" 626, and
Ford sold the exact same car, but with different badging and option
packages, as the Taurus/Probe/whichever it was.

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Mike T - 27 Sep 2006 08:33 GMT
Thanks to all who replied.  I bought a new resistor, took off the
glovebox (easy since there are no screws) and swapped out the old one.
I only had to remove the 2 screws and take the connecting wires off
which was one plug.  Took me about 5 minutes and cost $37 cdn for the
part.  They wanted $60 to do this at the dealership, so a huge thanks
to you all!

> > >> Why would Mazda make it so hard?
> > >
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