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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / Maintenance and Repair / October 2006Gabriels Vs. OEM
Okay, so I decided to put some new front struts on my Grand Am. I went with 4 new Gabriel Ultras... Said they had a nice ride, which is what I was kind of looking for. Long story short, they ride like crap. These struts are so stiff that I can't even push down on the front end and flex the suspension. I have tried this on other Grand Am's and they had way more suspension travel. So I was wondering, would OEM be a better choice? Apparently there are two different types of suspension options for the Grand Am, so I figured they would be more customized for my car... any ideas? waterboy44@mail.com Wrote: > Okay, so I decided to put some new front struts on my Grand Am. I went > with 4 new Gabriel Ultras... Said they had a nice ride, which is what [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > for the Grand Am, so I figured they would be more customized for my > car... any ideas? What year and model is your Grand Am? Regardless it is hard to beat the OEM struts.  Signaturebnaylor http://www.automotiveforums.com New Gabriels ride stiff, sure you didn't get the ones for the Z suspension option? SignatureKnifeblade_03 http://www.automotiveforums.com > Okay, so I decided to put some new front struts on my Grand Am. I went > with 4 new Gabriel Ultras... Said they had a nice ride, which is what I [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > for the Grand Am, so I figured they would be more customized for my > car... any ideas? Gabiel Ultras are performance gas shocks. They are gas shocks! They are supposed to ride rough! I've had them on my Grand Am for the last 10 years. It rides like a 1957 Chevy truck. For a soft ride you may want to check into cheap dual cylinder Monroes. «» wrote: > > Okay, so I decided to put some new front struts on my Grand Am. I went > > with 4 new Gabriel Ultras... Said they had a nice ride, which is what I [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > I've had them on my Grand Am for the last 10 years. It rides like a 1957 Chevy > truck. For a soft ride you may want to check into cheap dual cylinder Monroes. Its a 2000... I didn't have any Z option for the struts... at least I don't believe so. The one thing that really bothers me is that I live on a backroad and its really roush on the car... waterboy44@mail.com Wrote: > «» wrote: > > > [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > don't believe so. The one thing that really bothers me is that I live > on a backroad and its really roush on the car... The best thing to do is go back to the OEM struts. GM "N" body struts are specifically designed for that platform. The aftermarkets are too generic in nature. The 2000 Grand Am had at least two suspensions options available. GM RPO FE2 and FE3 codes. Check the SPID label on the back of the spare tire cover to see which one you have. FE2 = Ride and Handling Suspension FE3 = Sport Suspension The SE models normally have the FE2 option and GTs have the FE3. Even the OEM struts are different depending on whether you have the FE2 or FE3 RPOs. Signaturebnaylor http://www.automotiveforums.com > «» wrote: > > > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > don't believe so. The one thing that really bothers me is that I live > on a backroad and its really roush on the car... Oh. I sympathize with you. I live in suburbia - smooth concrete with a few potholes. I probably won't get gas shocks on any more cars. Its too hard on the car - shake and break. I'll still get performance shocks but they will be twin tube with proportional valves - no to low gas. « Paul » <"« Paul »"@houston.rr.com> wrote in article <4510B880.B5A6DC59@houston.rr.com>... waterboy44@mail.com wrote: > I'll still get performance shocks but they will be twin tube with > proportional valves - no to low gas. WTF do you mean by "proportional valving"? All shock valving is "proportional" - from the $9.95 Gabriel to the $1,000 Penske.. When you attempt to force more oil through the same orifice at a faster speed, there is more resistance..... ......even with spring-loaded valves it takes more pressure to open the same valve against the same spring at a faster rate. The question is, will you be opting for progressive, digressive, or linear valving on your performance shocks? > « Paul » <"« Paul »"@houston.rr.com> wrote in article > <4510B880.B5A6DC59@houston.rr.com>... [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > The question is, will you be opting for progressive, digressive, or linear > valving on your performance shocks? It appears that you said exactly the same thing I did but used different words. « Paul » <"« Paul »"@houston.rr.com> wrote in article <4511ECAA.5C6114B4@houston.rr.com>... * wrote: > « Paul » <"« Paul »"@houston.rr.com> wrote in article > <4510B880.B5A6DC59@houston.rr.com>... [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > The question is, will you be opting for progressive, digressive, or linear > valving on your performance shocks? ---------- It appears that you said exactly the same thing I did but used different words. ---------- Not by a long shot...... YOU used the term "proportional valving" as if to suggest that it was something exclusive to performance shocks...... I pointed out that ALL automotive hydraulic shocks - twin-tube or monotube, OEM, replacement, or performance - were, by design "proportional valving." And, you never answered the question concerning digressive, progressive, or linear shock patterns....... > It appears that you said exactly the same thing I did but used different > words. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > And, you never answered the question concerning digressive, progressive, > or linear shock patterns....... Its unlikely the op wants or needs to spend a few hundred on shocks. Its unlikely the op will be off road or track racing his car. Considering the car and its use, I would go with linear. « Paul » <"« Paul »"@houston.rr.com> wrote in article <45132BC2.D46EE507@houston.rr.com>... > > It appears that you said exactly the same thing I did but used different > > words. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > Its unlikely the op will be off road or track racing his car. > Considering the car and its use, I would go with linear. Interesting choice....... ........but you missed on your one-in-three-chances guess. Most OEM, and OTC replacement shocks such as Gabriel and Monroe, are progressive in nature.......the OEM DeCarbon monotube shocks in the later Camaros being one notable exception..... ......so, you are actually suggesting that the OP spend the money necessary to buy so-called "stock-mount", re-valveable, racing shocks such as the QA-1 series - which run around $100-$150 each - in order to valve them to a linear pattern..... BTW - Linear and digressive valving are, by far, the preference in true racing shocks.....that is, the stuff used on *real* race cars, not your "high performance", 1976 Yugo GT "Street Twister"..... Go back to playing with your "proportional valving" performance shocks, Mr. "Shock Expert". So what would be best for his car? >So what would be best for his car? What kind of a ride does he want? I like a really hard ride. Lots of other people like a really soft ride. You pick what gives you the ride you like. --scott Signature"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." > >So what would be best for his car? > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > -- > "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." well i live on a backroad and the gabriels ride really stiff on this road, and being in Ohio the roads suck so they don't do me much good... « Paul » <"« Paul »"@houston.rr.com> wrote in article <45147AFB.17A05FD2@houston.rr.com>... > So what would be best for his car? Without a reasonable, two-way conversation with the customer - and, perhaps a test-ride - it is virtually impossible to recommend a shock.....or any solution to many of the other issues that are presented here. That is one of the biggest problems with people asking advice here......and in other enthusiast forums. NOBODY can accurately diagnose most of the problems presented here without actually seeing the vehicle, and maybe, doing a test or two. "It worked for me....." isn't always the correct answer for every problem. As a matter of fact, it is often completely wrong. The above shock issue is a great example. The problems, apparently (I cannot ask further qualifying questions, so I'm stuck assuming) started when new shocks were installed. Could it be an installation problem? Was it a DIY or "professional" installation? Could it be that one of the NASA-trained rocket scientists working at the Pep Boys actually passed the wrong part-number shocks across the counter? "These struts are so stiff that I can't even push down on the front end and flex the suspension. "....... ........suggests to me that there is a bind somewhere. The Pontiac Grand-Am uses a strut with a rubber bump stop. Did the installer re-install the old bump stop along with the new one? THAT could easily have the shock "bottomed out" at ride height. I have gone from the softest to the stiffest shocks - as measured on my shock dynamometer - and not had the suspension bind up so it won't move..... I HAVE seen shocks with ever-so-slightly bent shafts bind up suspensions, however......... ........but, again, I cannot ask further questions about the installation - unless, of course we want to spend the next week posting questions and answers here. For example, were the bushings tightened with the wheels on the ground and the chassis at ride height, or were they tightened with the car up in the air and the wheels hanging down? That one thing, by itself, winds the rubber bushings up - making the shock feel tighter until the bushing breaks apart. "Apparently there are two different types of suspension options for the Grand Am, so I figured they would be more customized for my car..." .....which poses yet another question. What, exactly, do you mean by "they" and "customized"? Did you install the shock for the "performance" suspension on the "standard" suspension? Vice-versa? Oftentimes - because factory performance suspensions ride lower - there are differences in the shock length between these two. The catalog lists them separately for a reason. It isn't "standard shock" and "performance shock" for ALL suspensions..... It is replacement shock for "standard" suspension and replacement shock for "performance" suspension. There is, oftentimes, a difference in length, mounts, etc. between a replacement shock designed for the factory "performance" suspension and a performance shock designed for the factory "standard" suspension. "They" and "Customized" suggest that the OP may have tried to install the shock designed for one suspension on the other suspension. Again, I don't know because I cannot ask a simple question and receive a timely answer. "...any ideas?" I've got several that go in a number of different, opposing directions. I REALLY need to know much more about the situation before I recommend ANYTHING! > « Paul » <"« Paul »"@houston.rr.com> wrote in article > <45147AFB.17A05FD2@houston.rr.com>... [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > a test-ride - it is virtually impossible to recommend a shock.....or any > solution to many of the other issues that are presented here. (80 lines snipped) I have no doubt that you are very knowledgeable in the area of custom built racing shocks. However, the op drives an ordinary G/A on ordinary gravel roads. He has no need for custom built shocks. Ordinary over the counter shocks will suffice, as they do for most of the vehicles on the road. For the last 14 years my personal daily drivers have been G/A's. I know what type of shocks work well on those cars. Get a good set of dual tube, non gas charged shocks. Gas shocks give a stiff ride and raise the body 1" to 2" for the first few tens of thousands of miles or so. I know from experience. « Paul » <"« Paul »"@houston.rr.com> wrote in article <4519B937.7D2E6A2D@houston.rr.com>... >> I have no doubt that you are very knowledgeable in the area of custom built racing shocks. However, the op drives an ordinary G/A on ordinary gravel roads. He has no need for custom built shocks. Ordinary over the counter shocks will suffice, as they do for most of the vehicles on the road. Without question, there are more over-the-counter, Gabriel and Monroe replacement shocks - and privately-branded shocks manufactured by them such as NAPA and Carquest - that run across my shock dyno than custom-built racing shocks. Most of my customers are rules-limited to OEM-type shocks. The ONLY way we can get any sort of advantage with these is to determine and use the inherent differences that come from the much lower tolerances of mass production. Any two brand-new-in-box, "identical", same brand, same part number shocks can vary up to 200 P.S.I. at five-inches-per-second - a moderate shock speed obtained in driving down the average paved road. I can build a racing shock and predict, fairly closely, what the pattern will look like. Can't do that with ANY brand new OEM replacement. They're all over the map, so I must dyno them to determine exactly what they are. I can also change racing shock valving at the track with an acceptable level of predictability. I cannot change a sealed, stock shock's valving, so it must be dyno-tested. Yup! I do a LOT of stock, OEM replacement shocks. I believe you were the first to suggest performance shocks, anyway. >> For the last 14 years my personal daily drivers have been G/A's. I know what type of shocks work well on those cars. You obviously BELIEVE that you do, but I'm willing to bet that you REALLY don't. >> Get a good set of dual tube, non gas charged shocks. That's pretty vague recommendation for a guy who knows "......what type of shocks work well on those cars." Why not give him some brand names and part numbers if you know so much about "......what type of shocks work well on those cars."? And, it's pretty hard to find a OEM-replacement twin-tube non-gas shock/strut today unless you step into a stock-mount racing shock. Not only that, there are now more and more cars coming from the manufacturer with mono-tube shocks. Twin-tube replacements are simply not available for them. >> Gas shocks give a stiff ride and raise the body 1" to 2" for the first few tens of thousands of miles or so. I know from experience. Gas does NOT change the stiffness of the shock.....period. It ONLY keeps the fluid from foaming, thus creating a more stable shock. It is the VALVING that determines the shock's stiffness. If you believe gas stiffens a shock because it takes more effort to compress the shock by hand, then you MUST believe it softens the shock as well because it takes much less or no effort whatsoever to extend a gas shock...... ......and the average passenger car shock has a rebound/compression pressure ratio of about 3:1......IOW three times more resistance to rebound than compression.....so the gas would actually soften the rebound - the strongest part of the shock - according to your theory...... ............but, it's a moot point since your theory is wrong. Were you near by, I would be happy to show you the graphs from the same shock with and without gas pressure on the dyno........ .....and, I have the feeling that my dyno is just a bit more accurate in assessing a shock than your a.s is! As I stated above, the answer to the OP questions requires much more investigation to answer correctly. > As I stated above, the answer to the OP questions requires much more > investigation to answer correctly. I think you are completely wrong. You have over complicated a simple problem that has a simple solution. A G/A is not a race car. Its an ordinary car like most of the others on the highway. Neither it nor the driver needs a detailed study simply to get a pair of decent shocks. Autozone-O'Reilly: Gabriel, Monroe, store brand, dual tube, non-gas, non-performance. « Paul » <"« Paul »"@houston.rr.com> wrote in article <451B0612.32AAAD48@houston.rr.com>... > > As I stated above, the answer to the OP questions requires much more > > investigation to answer correctly. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Autozone-O'Reilly: Gabriel, Monroe, store brand, dual tube, non-gas, > non-performance. Maybe you need to follow the OP's words with your finger. The complaint was that the suspension seems to be binding AFTER the installation of new shocks where it seemed okay BEFORE installing over-the-counter, OEM replacement shocks. Stock, over-the-counter replacement shocks for a specific, CORRECT application DO NOT make THAT much difference. He changed shocks using - I am assuming - the correct application Gabriel replacement shocks for his vehicle. I MUST assume, since I cannot see the actual installation - no matter how tightly I squint at my computer screen. He NOW has a problem that requires further investigation. My crystal ball is at the shop for a tune-up, so I cannot diagnose this over an internet connection at this time......... What does YOUR crystal ball say? « Paul » <"« Paul »"@houston.rr.com> wrote in article <451B0612.32AAAD48@houston.rr.com>... > I think you are completely wrong. You have over complicated a simple problem that > has a simple solution. A G/A is not a race car. Its an ordinary car like most of > the others on the highway. Neither it nor the driver needs a detailed study > simply to get a pair of decent shocks. > Autozone-O'Reilly: Gabriel, Monroe, store brand, dual tube, non-gas, > non-performance. I'm gonna need some help here...... I cannot find a NON-GAS replacement strut for the front of a Pontiac Grand-Am in the various Monroe, Gabriel, etc. shock books in my shop. Could YOU please provide me with a part number for a NON-GAS replacement strut for that car? > « Paul » <"« Paul »"@houston.rr.com> wrote in article > <451B0612.32AAAD48@houston.rr.com>... [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > Could YOU please provide me with a part number for a NON-GAS replacement > strut for that car? You are correct. Reading up on the latest shock I found that they are all gas nowadays. Thanks for the enlightenment. Paul. It turns out that the OP of this thread is, apparently, a troll....... He is currently asking about "performance suspension" kits for the same car. These lowering kits measurably increase spring stiffness, so he has gone from complaining about the added stiffness of "performance" shocks to inquiring about which way to go to achieve a stiffer suspension overall. Go figure! > It turns out that the OP of this thread is, apparently, a troll....... > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Go figure! Hey, it turns out that you don't know your a.s from a hole in the ground! Did you realize that the original struts turned out to be blown out, causing irregular handling characteristics? OF COURSE YOU DID, you know everything right? I'm sure you could have diagnosed that over the internet though, because once again you know everything. Did you ever think that I might want to have a sportier suspension now that the struts are NOT blown? Yea, I'm sure you did. Talk about troll, you can't even give anyone serious advice on how to fix a problem with their vehicle without starting a riot. Get a life queer. > It turns out that the OP of this thread is, apparently, a troll....... > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Go figure! Uhh, don't look now, but ... since you started a new thread here, and don't even reference another post, YOU are the OP. Go figure. Pop`ö <nodoby@devnull.spamcop.net> wrote in article <3KhVg.47$Xf.7@trndny07>... > > It turns out that the OP of this thread is, apparently, a troll....... > > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Uhh, don't look now, but ... since you started a new thread here, and don't > even reference another post, YOU are the OP. Go figure. If you would upgrade from the Atari setup, your software would show that my post is the continuation of a thread. I simply changed the subject line....... .....but, it shows up as the continuation of the "Gabriels Vs OEM" thread on my computer. > Pop`ö <nodoby@devnull.spamcop.net> wrote in article > <3KhVg.47$Xf.7@trndny07>... [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > .....but, it shows up as the continuation of the "Gabriels Vs OEM" thread > on my computer. So in order for the rest of the world to think you are not a troll with this troll post, they must have your setup eh. LOL! Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590 (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in article <45266E75.F1C8E1B8@sympatico.ca>... > So in order for the rest of the world to think you are not a troll with > this troll post, they must have your setup eh. > > LOL! No! But this is the first time I have ever seen someone complain that a thread that has morphed diametricaly opposite its original subject matter is now presenting itself as a new thread...... > Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in article > <45266E75.F1C8E1B8@sympatico.ca>... [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > that has morphed diametricaly opposite its original subject matter is now > presenting itself as a new thread...... He builds race chassis for a living...he used to have a NAPA store...he knows everything about everything..until he's proven wrong that is. He's the type of person that everyone tolerates until the party is over, but then wonders why he didn't get an invitation to the next one. Legend in his own mind. People like this wouldn't have a useful purpose in life if the Usenet ceased to exist. One thing though, he loves to argue. Early coronary potential, I think. Just my $0.02. Like this joker, I've been wrong many times in my life. Unlike him, I admit it when I am. Lhead <chestand@hotmail.com> wrote in article <1160172812.197348.123050@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>... > He builds race chassis for a living...he used to have a NAPA store...he > knows everything about everything... One slight correction - I used to MANAGE a NAPA store - never owned it, never said I did. You might want to bone up a bit on your reading comprehension.... Also, you missed mentioning ten years of teaching Vocational Automotive Technology, and a dozen years of working on everything from Fordson tractors to Rolls Royces.....including the mechanical restoration of the 1922 Packard roadster that was featured as Daisy Buchanan's (Mia Farrow) car in the movie "The Great Gatsby." Some of us have actually gone out and done things with our lives. Others - you, perhaps - have pretty much punched a clock in a mundane, dead-end job all their lives......just agonizing for the day when it will all end. The "others" often exhibit their jealousy of those who have pretty much done whatever appealed to them at the moment, and their regrets in the decisions they made which led to their desperate lives by knocking people who have done a number of things in their lives. Your user name suggests to me that you are lost in the '50s....... While I DO have a friend who keeps busy in retirement rebuilding flathead Fords, flatheads are so "yesterday"......All that is left to work with now is the stuff we rejected when racing flatheads in the '60s. > People like this wouldn't have a useful purpose in life if the Usenet ceased to > exist. I hope you were looking in a mirror when you came up with THAT "profound" statement. > Early coronary potential, I think. Cholesterol never over 150. Doctor says my habit of saying what is on my mind puts me at a MUCH LOWER risk for coronary problems than those who WANT to say something, but simply do not have the chutzpah to do so, and keep it bottled up. > Like this joker, I've been wrong many times in my life. Could this be yet another time?? ROFLMAO > Unlike him, I admit it when I am. It is obvious that you only read the posts where someone challenges something I've said - probably cheering out loud - but NEVER read my replies where I readily admit when I have erred... > Lhead <chestand@hotmail.com> wrote in article > <1160172812.197348.123050@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>... [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > dead-end job all their lives......just agonizing for the day when it will > all end. >You know absolutely nothing about my life situation. You know what? This junior high insult game is tedious. This much I do know: 1.You love to argue 2.You love to run people down 3.You're not nearly as intelligent as you think you are 4.People on this group are now seeing you for what you are. You're becoming irrelevent. > The "others" often exhibit their jealousy of those who have pretty much > done whatever appealed to them at the moment, and their regrets in the > decisions they made which led to their desperate lives by knocking people > who have done a number of things in their lives. > > Your user name suggests to me that you are lost in the '50s....... Your user name suggests to me that you can't even spell a word. So much for suggestions. > While I DO have a friend who keeps busy in retirement rebuilding flathead > Fords, flatheads are so "yesterday"......All that is left to work with now [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > ROFLMAO > > Unlike him, I admit it when I am. > > It is obvious that you only read the posts where someone challenges > something I've said - probably cheering out loud - but NEVER read my > replies where I readily admit when I have erred... ---------- > From: Lhead <chestand@hotmail.com> > Newsgroups: rec.autos.tech > Subject: Re: OP IS A TROLL > Date: Monday, October 09, 2006 12:22 PM > > >You know absolutely nothing about my life situation. You know what? This junior high insult game is tedious. Then, why did you start it all? YOU flamed ME first! > This much I do know: > 1.You love to argue Your very first "contribution" to this thread - going back to the original "Gabriel Vs. OEM" subject line - was not about shock absorbers, but to flame me. Who is it that likes to argue? I don't like to argue, but I don't back down from flaming a.sholes, either.... > 2.You love to run people down See above two answers......i.e. YOU started it all by flaming ME May I remind you of your very first "contribution" to this thread.... --------------------------------------------------------- He builds race chassis for a living...he used to have a NAPA store...he knows everything about everything..until he's proven wrong that is. He's the type of person that everyone tolerates until the party is over, but then wonders why he didn't get an invitation to the next one. Legend in his own mind. People like this wouldn't have a useful purpose in life if the Usenet ceased to exist. One thing though, he loves to argue. Early coronary potential, I think. Just my $0.02. Like this joker, I've been wrong many times in my life. Unlike him, I admit it when I am. ------------------------------------------------------------- I don't see ANY opinions there on the Gabriel Vs. OEM issue that started this thread. THAT is called "TROLLING"! > 3.You're not nearly as intelligent as you think you are Maybe not, but I DO know what I do know, and I am intelligent enough to recognize a troll such as you when I see one. > 4.People on > this group are now seeing you for what you are. I missed the election when you were elevated to "Group Spokesman"...... Did you campaign as a Tory or a Whig? .....or was it some sort of military coup? > You're becoming > irrelevent. Given ALL the information YOU have presented on the subject of Gabriel Vs. OEM shock absorbers on this thread, relevancy might be something for YOU to contemplate. The discussion wasn't about friction or Houdaille shocks, so what, exactly, did YOU contribute to this thread?...... other than flaming me, of course. « Paul » <"« Paul »"@houston.rr.com> wrote in article <45108ADD.8E558758@houston.rr.com>... > Gabiel Ultras are performance gas shocks. > They are gas shocks! They are supposed to ride rough! Care to expand on that statement? Gas doesn't determine a shock's resistance.....Valving does. Gas only keeps the oil from foaming, which makes the shock act more consistently. > I've had them on my Grand Am for the last 10 years. It rides like a 1957 Chevy > truck. You've recently driven a 1957 Chevrolet truck for an honest, unbiased comparison? > For a soft ride you may want to check into cheap dual cylinder Monroes. The term is "twin-tube" versus "monotube." They all only have a single "cylinder" in which the pistons operate. Fact is that the cheapest shocks have the fewest valving stages, therefore are stiffer. I learned this from a shock engineer at one of the two major companies. I also have a shock absorber dyno, and proved it to myself. The cheapest NAPA (Monroe) shock graphs noticeably stiffer than the Sensa-Trac for the same application. I have several lower division oval-track customers racing and winning on $9.95 Monroe and Gabriel shocks. Expensive, non-performance shocks are engineered to give a "boulevard ride". «» wrote: > > Okay, so I decided to put some new front struts on my Grand Am. I went > > with 4 new Gabriel Ultras... Said they had a nice ride, which is what I > > was kind of looking for. Long story short, they ride like crap. > Gabiel Ultras are performance gas shocks. > They are gas shocks! They are supposed to ride rough! All gas shocks or only performance gas shocks? Haven't all cars made since the early 1990s come with gas shocks, including several soft riding cars?. > «» wrote: > > > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > since the early 1990s come with gas shocks, including several soft > riding cars?. Yeah, I believe OEM would be the best option. I haven't heard too many good things about Gabriel or Monroe.... >Yeah, I believe OEM would be the best option. I haven't heard too many >good things about Gabriel or Monroe.... I have liked the Gabriels... but then, I like a really hard ride and almost always think the OEM shocks are too soft. Then again, I learned to drive in an MG.... --scott Signature"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." Is it true that the OEM shocks sold as replacements are different from those installed at the factory? Because I've heard that factory originals are tuned for brand new suspension bushings while OEM replacements are tuned for bushings that have loosened up from miles. |
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