Hi Everyone,
I was wondering if anyone could offer some insight into a
problem I am having with my 1986 F250 W/7.5 450. The engine may be from
a 1974.
I keep my F250 on my wildlife reserve during the summer. I
kept it up on my driveway but one day I came down to connect to connect
the coil wire up to start it and when I popped the hood open there was
a groundhog in it starring me dead in the eyes. After 50 pokes with a
stick it finally took off. The groundhog ate my K&N air filter so I
replaced it. I then went for a drive to get some mulch. I then parked
the truck about 1200 feet away under a pavalion. I went to start it two
weeks later and it wouldnt start. I sprayed some ether into the carb
and before I got out of the engine bay I noticed there was gas all over
the engine. A groundhog had come in and ate through the gas lines. Two
weeks later while replacing the gas line I noticed that all my spark
plug wires were bitten through. Not chewed up, but just one bite each
to cut them off. In any event I went to get new plug wires and found
that my distributor had a different type of connector. The new plugs
connected to raised posts, while my old plugs slide down into the
distributor cap. So I went and got a new cap and rotor and they were
about 25% bigger than what I had. I went back again to the auto parts
store with my original cap and rotor in hand and a guy said to try one
for a 74. They were a match.
I went back and changed out the rotor, the cap, and the plugs
but the book I had was for a 1986 F250 and who knows what engine I
have. I used the firing order and cylinder layout from the book that I
had. I couldnt tell where each plug wire went too because the wire was
chewed. Now when I start it it starts ok but I can hear misfires out of
my exhaust if I try to drive. When the engine is cold it kinda loobs
unless I give it some gas. If I have the car in park and floor it the
engine revs fine. As soon as I put it in drive and try to drive up a
hill it backfires and dies. I can run low speed over my pastures with a
little "pop" noise coming out of my exhaust every few seconds.
Any ideas? Think it's just one cylinder not firing? I tossed
my old cap and rotor so I cant stick them back on. Anyone know how to
tell what year this engine is? There's no code on the cylinder
covers...
Thanks,
Sam
Mike Romain - 25 Sep 2006 15:30 GMT
The firing order is normally stamped or cast into the intake manifold.
You can line up the timing mark on the flywheel to get # 1 cylinder. To
do this you need to take out the spark plug on #1 and put your finger in
the hole as you use a wrench to turn the crank. As the timing mark on
the crank comes up to the mark on the case, you will feel compression
under your finger. If you feel no compression, you would be on the
exhaust stroke and you need to turn the crank one more rotation to get
the compression stroke.
Mike
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sdlomi2 - 25 Sep 2006 23:12 GMT
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Hi, Sam, sounds like you're already close to correct, so start where you
are. IIRC, Fords along 1974 year-models used 2 firing orders: (A)
1-3-7-2-6-5-4-8 and (B) 1-5-4-2-6-3-7-8. Assume they are numbered as
follows: Driver's side reading 1,2,3,4 from front to back; and passenger's
side reading 5,6,7,8 front to back. Look at what you have done and it
should come close to one of these 2 firing orders. Using the one which is
closest, swap what sounds like 2 wires(you may have 4 mixed up, but don't
think so) to make it correlate with this selected firing order. Should run
good--at least as good as it did before feeding the pigs!. HTH, and good
luck. sdlomi2(Sam, also!)
Ken - 26 Sep 2006 03:22 GMT
Don't forget to "Kill all the goefers"
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usshopkins@yahoo.com - 26 Sep 2006 17:08 GMT
OK I found out that the engine is a 1978 460. Does anyone know the
cylinder layout on the engine block if I am looking at the engine from
the front of the truck and also does anyone know the cylinder layout of
the distributor?
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Mike Romain - 26 Sep 2006 17:51 GMT
The distributor layout can be anything the last person that worked on it
set or clocked. The only way to find out for sure where #1 is on the
cap is to pull the plug on #1 (front drivers side) and check for
compression when the timing mark comes up to TDC as I mentioned.
Sdlomi2 or Sam posted the cylinder orders for you with some possible
firing orders and 'your' firing order should be cast into the intake
manifold.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
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