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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / Maintenance and Repair / October 2006

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Stuck differential fill plug, filling through vent.

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danlumpp@gmail.com - 28 Sep 2006 23:54 GMT
I have a '92 S-10 2-wheel drive with the rear diff filler plug
completely stuck. After trying a few things mentioned here and a few
things mentioned by friends, I just gave up on it and decided to just
fill it through the vent tube. (I have limited access to tools, ie, no
torch, welder, extractors, tap and dye set, etc.) The bad part is that
it took me 2 hrs to get 1 qt in because the air can't escape while
filling! Since I now discovered my cover is leaking anyway and needs
replaced (rusted through) I'm going to try again. My idea is to stick
one of those WD-40 straws or something behind the cover gasket on top
were it shouldn't leak, (silicone should seal around it) but let air
out while I fill. Would this cause a leak, what do you guys think? Any
ideas at this point would be welcomed.
ray - 29 Sep 2006 00:05 GMT
> I have a '92 S-10 2-wheel drive with the rear diff filler plug
> completely stuck. After trying a few things mentioned here and a few
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> out while I fill. Would this cause a leak, what do you guys think? Any
> ideas at this point would be welcomed.

A $10 propane torch should get you enough heat to unstick the fill plug.
187 - 29 Sep 2006 03:32 GMT
how do you know that you need to put fluid in the rear end?
TeGGeR® - 29 Sep 2006 13:57 GMT
"187" <someone@nospam.com> wrote in news:006a3001ebc657684a0777e703022ec8
@localhost.talkaboutautos.com:

> how do you know that you need to put fluid in the rear end?

More importantly, how will he know if he's putting too much?

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dewaynep - 29 Sep 2006 14:17 GMT
What about having the local welding shop weld a fill plug bung in the
diff. cover while you have it off? You could mark the cover at the
level of the old fill plug and have the shop weld the bung there.
Problem solved.

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John S. - 29 Sep 2006 14:39 GMT
> I have a '92 S-10 2-wheel drive with the rear diff filler plug
> completely stuck. After trying a few things mentioned here and a few
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> out while I fill. Would this cause a leak, what do you guys think? Any
> ideas at this point would be welcomed.

If you can't get the filler plug out how do you know the oil level is
low, and more importantly how do you know the correct amount of oil to
add.  I would under no circumstance make a hole in the differential to
glue a WD-40 straw as a second vent hole.  Get someone to heat the plug
and remove it.
Steve W. - 29 Sep 2006 19:50 GMT
> I have a '92 S-10 2-wheel drive with the rear diff filler plug
> completely stuck. After trying a few things mentioned here and a few
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> out while I fill. Would this cause a leak, what do you guys think? Any
> ideas at this point would be welcomed.

Since the cover is bad anyway, either buy a cast cover with a fill plug
in it. Or take the new cover to a welder and have them weld a fill plug
bung into it. DON'T add a new vent. It WILL leak when the gears start
turning.

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Knifeblade_03 - 30 Sep 2006 02:40 GMT
Most rear diff.'s have no vent, it is presumed that the correct amount
of gear oil is added to prevent pressure.  Get a new plate, they don't
cost very much, with the standard drain plug.  If you looked at the
manual, you loosen a few bolts on top, which allows enough air seepage
to drain the fluid easily.  Then, it a matter of pumping enough oil
into the drain opening to leak back out, BUT>>>  have someone turn the
wheels while the diff. is geared to transfer oil through the shafts, do
that for a say 3 minutes.  After that, top off the gear oil into the
drain plug until it leaks out again.

Why do ya think there is NO vent plug in rear diff. covers? [for most
rides].  The idea is to get the lube to the drain plug level, and that
is usually the max. level required for the rear pig.

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Mike - 30 Sep 2006 03:57 GMT
> Most rear diff.'s have no vent, it is presumed that the correct amount
> of gear oil is added to prevent pressure.

 This is just so stupid that it deserves a reply. All diffs DO have vents.
The purpose of the vent is to keep the gear oil from being pushed out past
the seals when the diff gets hot.

Get a new plate, they don't
> cost very much, with the standard drain plug.  If you looked at the
> manual, you loosen a few bolts on top, which allows enough air seepage
> to drain the fluid easily.

  No need to loosen any bolts unless the cover is going to be removed.

 Then, it a matter of pumping enough oil
> into the drain opening to leak back out, BUT>>>  have someone turn the
> wheels while the diff. is geared to transfer oil through the shafts, do
> that for a say 3 minutes.

  WTF ???   What are you talking about ? There is no pump. There are no
shafts for the oil to travel through. The differential is splash lubricated
by the ring gear slinging oil around as the vehicle is driven.

 After that, top off the gear oil into the
> drain plug until it leaks out again.
>
> Why do ya think there is NO vent plug in rear diff. covers?

 Because the vent is in the housing so you don't need another vent in the
cover. Also, if the vent was in the cover it would most likely leak from the
ring gear throwing oil at the cover.

[for most
> rides].  The idea is to get the lube to the drain plug level, and that
> is usually the max. level required for the rear pig.
VetNutJim - 21 Oct 2006 02:54 GMT
Dumb question time...

How will you know when it is 'full' if you are 'filling' it from the
vent line?

The full 'indicator' is the plug hole... and gear oil coming out there
when it is 'full'.

Full doesn't mean 'full, you know.
I think you need to get that plug outta there and do this right.
 
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