I would like to know if a water pump on a car can be intermittent.
I have been having trouble with my heat and have changed the thermostat 3
times in the past few days. I noticed that if I squeeze the upper radiator
hose and rev the engine, sometimes I can feel pressure increase in the hose,
and sometimes I cannot.
I thought that a water pump was good until it quit working, and that when it
quit it stayed that way. This one seems to be going from good to bad to
good, and back and forth. Is this possible? The belt is tight and is not
slipping, so I know that's not the problem.
I changed the water pump last summer with a lifetime pump from Autozone
thinking it would last a long time. Now I can't figure out if the water pump
has went bad or not because sometimes it seems to be pumping, and sometimes
it doesn't. I noticed that if the engine gets real hot, it gets hotter and
it does it faster.
Don Bruder - 02 Oct 2006 03:20 GMT
> I would like to know if a water pump on a car can be intermittent.
>
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> it doesn't. I noticed that if the engine gets real hot, it gets hotter and
> it does it faster.
It's *POSSIBLE*, yes - I can think of a scenario or two that would let
it happen, but can't say for sure if the one I'm about to offer is true
for your vehicle (year, make, and model of which you don't bother to
mention, so we're stuck going on ESP to try and help you...)
Consider a water pump whose impeller is, under ideal circumstances, held
tight to the shaft by a bolt into the shaft, or a nut onto the shaft.
Consider said nut or bolt somehow backing off - not completely, but
enough to be loose, perhaps permitting the impeller to spin free of the
shaft - but only when it "backs straight away", rather than getting
tipped - When it moves to a tipped position, it spins with the shaft,
and for the most part, acts as it should - namely, moving water thorugh
the system. But when it gets into a "straight" position, instead of
turning the impeller, the shaft simply spins inside it, leaving the
impeller stationary, and moving no water.
Presto... Intermittent water pump...
Same concept could be happening on the pulley side of things - replace
"impeller" with "pulley" everywhere in the paragraph above, and you end
up with the same thing happening.
Either way, your junk Autozone pump is a "lifetime" unit, so go get a
new one and replace it. Not too difficult, eh?
(And for the record: About the only thing I consider Autozone good for
is name-brand oil and brake pads, and I consider the brake pads dodgy,
at best. Overall, and in my opinion, Autozone blows syphyllitic goats in
almost every other category.)

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Mike Romain - 02 Oct 2006 15:02 GMT
> > I would like to know if a water pump on a car can be intermittent.
> >
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> --
> Don Bruder -
I have had that happen a couple years back in my Jeep. The impeller
slips on the shaft sometimes and my first symptom was no heat. No fluid
flow = no heat instantly. If I still have inside heat, I still have a
pump working.
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phaeton - 02 Oct 2006 15:50 GMT
And of course, don't forget the role of heat expansion in the 'slipping
impeller' scenario. ;-)
My only experience with an Autozone WP was helping my dad put one onto
my mom's 82 Cutlass. It was a bit of a job, lasting several hours
(probably could have been quicker w/o my dad's help, but you know how
that is :-D ). We got it on and back together only to find that the
flange on the end of the shaft was pressed on crooked. Not enough to
notice readily when you take it out of the box, but when you spin the
fan on it, it was bad real.
So we got to start over.
-phaeton
P.S... just a fluke thing, i know. Maybe the rebuilder put on one wrong
shoe that day?
Tim B - 02 Oct 2006 05:52 GMT
> I would like to know if a water pump on a car can be intermittent.
I once bought a 1966 Plymouth with a 225 slant six. It had an overheating
problem that I traced to the water pump impellor slipping on the shaft. It
was a press fit. There may have been more slip at different engine
temperatures and speeds than others, I can't say for sure. If it were true,
though, that water pump could have been considered intermittent. Anyway, the
slip was obvious when spinning the impellor by hand - with the water pump
off the engine, of course.
VetNutJim - 21 Oct 2006 02:54 GMT
Never heard of one getting intermittent. That doesn't mean it's
impossibe but.... it's not likely.
The 'pumping' part of the pump is an iron impeller pressed onto the
waterpump shaft.
They don't wear out.
The reason pumps get changed is mostly the shaft seals fail and they
start leaking.
The shaft bushings (or bearings) are place outside the seals so when
the pump starts leaking ot can affect the shaft bearings and cause
the pump to make noise.
You may have a hose that is collapsing and not letting the water pass
thru.
Heater cores will also get stopped up from rust and scale deposits
that break loose and travel with the water to the heater core.
Buy a 'quality' thermostat. I tried several of those 'cheap' ones
made south of the border (wherever the heck the border is) and they
all failed within a years time.
They 'look' good and the price is right but I'd rather spend a few
dollars more and not have to take the crappy things out and do the
job all over again next year.
VetNutJim - 21 Oct 2006 02:54 GMT
Never heard of one getting intermittent. That doesn't mean it's
impossibe but.... it's not likely.
The 'pumping' part of the pump is an iron impeller pressed onto the
waterpump shaft.
They don't wear out.
The reason pumps get changed is mostly the shaft seals fail and they
start leaking.
The shaft bushings (or bearings) are place outside the seals so when
the pump starts leaking ot can affect the shaft bearings and cause
the pump to make noise.
You may have a hose that is collapsing and not letting the water pass
thru.
Heater cores will also get stopped up from rust and scale deposits
that break loose and travel with the water to the heater core.
Buy a 'quality' thermostat. I tried several of those 'cheap' ones
made south of the border (wherever the heck the border is) and they
all failed within a years time.
They 'look' good and the price is right but I'd rather spend a few
dollars more and not have to take the crappy things out and do the
job all over again next year.
Dan_Thomas_nospam@yahoo.com - 23 Oct 2006 14:22 GMT
> I would like to know if a water pump on a car can be intermittent.
Much more common: a collapsing lower rad hose. When the water flow
speeds up as the pump drives it through the system, the pressure in the
lower hose drops (Bernoulli's Theorem) and an old, soft hose can
collapse and restrict the flow. My Dad once replaced the pump two or
three times before his brother came along, revved the engine and
pointed out the lower hose squeezing itself shut.
That's why many replacement hoses had springs inside them.
Dan