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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / Maintenance and Repair / November 20061995 Camry
First of all I must say, Up till now this has been the best car ever. But now I have a problem even toyota cant find! The car went from working perfect to needing a tow truck, its been 6 weeks now and there isn't a garage that can help me. It just won't start, It has spark, timming is good, fuel pressure is good, compression is good, it passes every test we gave it but it won't run....I have changed all ignition parts, fuel pump,fuel filter, computer,all the relays,moduals,and still it won't go!! I might be reaching for the stars here, I think it's something stupid..... so I need to pick your brains as I am out of Ideas,If you think you can help, even if it don't, don't be shy, I am open to try anything, I am on a disability pension, and its all I got, so please give it a go, I can be found at bterry@netscape.ca, I am from Frankford Ontario, Canada >First of all I must say, Up till now this has been the best car ever. >But now I have a problem even toyota cant find! The car went from [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >so please give it a go, I can be found at bterry@netscape.ca, I am from >Frankford Ontario, Canada AIR Air to fuel mix is not correct because: possible cracked intake manifold possible leaking intake manifold gasket leaking vacuum line somewhere You don't have a _combustible mix_ of fuel/air, and that is why your car won't run. So go find the leak, seal it off, and drive into the sunset. Lg Thanks for the quick reply, This thought was addressed in the beginng, vaccumm test prove good, as far as the mix goes.... well it won't even run on quick start, But its worth another go, like I said I will try anything, Thanks, Brian > >First of all I must say, Up till now this has been the best car ever. > >But now I have a problem even toyota cant find! The car went from [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > Lg >Thanks for the quick reply, This thought was addressed in the beginng, >vaccumm test prove good, as far as the mix goes.... well it won't even >run on quick start, But its worth another go, like I said I will try >anything, Thanks, Brian Valve train working correctly? Timing OK? Crankshaft position sensor working? Camshaft position sensor working? you have a 95, and I don't know what is/isn't in that model. Comboverfish will make an appearance. He is an MTD, which is short for Master Technical DooDooHead. Give him a little time to check the n/g, he always does, sooner or later. Lg >> >First of all I must say, Up till now this has been the best car ever. >> >But now I have a problem even toyota cant find! The car went from [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] >> >> Lg Has any body done a compression test, check the belt and cam to crank timing, if all this is ok and you have real spark, not weak and it won't start with carb sprayed into the intake, maybe the exhaust is blocked, how did all this occur? > First of all I must say, Up till now this has been the best car ever. > But now I have a problem even toyota cant find! The car went from [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > so please give it a go, I can be found at bterry@netscape.ca, I am from > Frankford Ontario, Canada Shep, This all started as a mistery, I drove the car the day before on a long trip, and at a high rate of speed, it never skipped a beat....the next morning it started up right away, I drove about 3 km and thats where the tow truck picked it up, It did run after that but would only idle, as soon as you give it a little gas it just quit... at that time I would have bet it was the fuel pump, although it seemed to work I put a new one on it anyway, need less to say it made no difference at all, now today it has no spark again, but the computer scan says it's fine and all is working well, shows what it knows.....As I stand now we are redoing all the grounds on the car that have anything to do with the ignition, and some that we don't know what they do, however, timming belt, timming of the cam, crank, it all moves as it should and its all in time, the belt is only about 3 yrs old, and has just over 30 km on it. I will keep trying, everyone keep thinking, Toyota dealer gave up on it, cause it makes no sence to them. Thanks again Brian > Has any body done a compression test, check the belt and cam to crank > timing, if all this is ok and you have real spark, not weak and it won't [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups > ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- > Shep, This all started as a mistery, I drove the car the day before on > a long trip, and at a high rate of speed, it never skipped a [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > > so please give it a go, I can be found at bterry@netscape.ca, I am from > > > Frankford Ontario, Canada 5SFE 4 cylinder? If it really had adequate spark, timing, fuel and compression then it would run. I'm guessing one of these components is not truly adequate. My bet is on a failing ignition coil, based on the pattern failure of 5SFE coils and your updated description of the engine dying above idle (under any load). Even if you just replaced it with an aftermarket part I would still suspect the coil. Second that, I would suspect any monkeying around after the first diagnostic attempt without a full knowledge of how this system works. The fact that the 'computer' has been swapped leads me to believe that someone in the repair chain hasn't a clue what's going on with this engine. Toyota MDT in MO Well, all I can say is, if a toyota dealer hasn't a clue, then why do dealers have mechanics? I mean after all it was always said to take it to a dealer! So if a dealer hasn't a clue..... then tell me who does!! Brian > > Shep, This all started as a mistery, I drove the car the day before on > > a long trip, and at a high rate of speed, it never skipped a [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > > Toyota MDT in MO > Well, all I can say is, if a toyota dealer hasn't a clue, then why do > dealers have mechanics? I mean after all it was always said to take it > to a dealer! So if a dealer hasn't a clue..... then tell me who does!! > Brian Hey, I don't know everything that happened in your repair saga! All I have to go on is your thin description of some things that were done and a couple of drivability complaints. Again, in most cases it's the coil that is breaking down under load. You could take that as helpful advise or you could point fingers at the nameless mechanics involved who can't defend themselves here. A competent mechanic will tell you that a no-start condition is easy to diagnose 99.9% of the time. What are the odds that your car is the 0.1% exception? Toyota MDT in MO As I wrote in the beginning, all ignition parts have now been changed, including the coil, after all it is an ignition part, isn't it? That was the point, it's all new, dealer installed, thats why I tried this site. I was hoping it was an off the wall thing that someone could help me with and not treat me like I'm stupid! Sorry to bother you. Brian > > Well, all I can say is, if a toyota dealer hasn't a clue, then why do > > dealers have mechanics? I mean after all it was always said to take it [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Toyota MDT in MO .... As I wrote in the beginning, ignition parts have been changed, including the coil. After all it is an ignition part, isn't it? It's all new, dealer installed, thats why I tried this site. I was hoping it was an off the wall thing someone could help me with and not treat me like I'm stupid! Sorry to bother you. __________________________________________ What was it that you wrote in the beginning? Please repeat it. If you will describe your vehicle and describe in detail the symptoms up to, during, and after some problem occurred, someone here could possibly have some experience which could benefit you. Unconnected personal text messages do not bring help. Good luck. Rodan. <------ Not bothered at all. >.... As I wrote in the beginning, ignition parts have >been changed, including the coil. After all it is an [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > >Rodan. <------ Not bothered at all. It is difficult to diagnose things sight-unseen. That is what used to put me *on the road* for all those years I was a Field Service Technician. But there was one case...nevermind. I don't want to remember. IIRC, Comboverfish suggested that even a *new* coil might be bad. Brian writes that off. IIRC, Brian is having difficulty establishing whether or not there is continuity between his B- cable from the battery and chassis ground. Maybe he doesn't have a lot (or a little) experience using a DVOM. Who knows? Because, someone suggested the B- cable could be defective, particularly at the connector where it attaches to the battery post/terminal. Again, we can't be there to do the measurement. We can't even see it in a photo. But anyhow, it appears to me, he is having trouble with SPARK. Originally, I suggested he was having trouble with AIR, although he assured me this wasn't the case. Possibly he has a burned fusible link. If I were him, I would work on the possibility of a burned fusible link at the moment, and if I found one, would go looking for WHY that fusible link blew in the first place. Just replacing it will lead to another burned fusible link if that is the problem, and the source of the problem isn't found. I've never even SEEN a Camry engine, nevermind a 1995 Camry engine, so that is why I am not participating any further in this thread. I don't have the experience, or any documents on that vehicle, so am leaving it to those that do. Lg > As I wrote in the beginning, all ignition parts have now been changed, > including the coil, after all it is an ignition part, isn't it? That > was the point, it's all new, dealer installed, thats why I tried this > site. I was hoping it was an off the wall thing that someone could help > me with and not treat me like I'm stupid! Sorry to bother you. Brian Original quote: "I have changed all ignition parts..." OK, so that must mean that 1) you did the work and 2) you replaced *every* ignition part. I'll guess you didn't replace the ignition condenser. How about the Ne and G+ pickups? Was any of the related primary wiring replaced? And how about the ignitor? You still haven't even let us know which engine you have! In what way haven't I been helpful? Really, now... for free, on my own time. Are you sure you're not just a bit passive aggressive there, Brian? Nobody did really insinuate that you're stupid, did they? I guess that you just want a direct answer to your rhetorical question "so if a dealer hasn't a clue...then tell me who does?" <--- NOTE: replaced explanation point with question mark for grammar's sake... Here goes... I do. Many fine mechanics do. And I can fairly assume that if I had the full story it wouldn't seem so one-sided. Sorry to help you. Toyota MDT well.. we have found the problems. It would seem some new parts don't mean they are any good,I changed the whole distributor, with a new one, coil and all,there was a bad bushing in the new on, I had spark, not enough to make it start, as soon as it ran faster than the started it didn't have spark any more, it appears the new dis, had a problem with the bushing retarding the timming enough the car wouldn't run, but turning over placed timming on the mark, as long as it didn't roll faster than the starter, wierd!! How ever, if I seemed a little short, as I know I did, frustration is a powerfull tool, I have never in 20 years of toyota seen anything like it, and hope to never see it again, When toyota couldn't find it, and the 5 other mechanics couldn't find it, it was just to much to handle, so with no lic, a truckdriver by trade, it just goes to show what a guy can do. Thanks to all, hope it never happens to anyone again. With this in mind, a site like this is worth all the cars in the world, THANKS Brian > > As I wrote in the beginning, all ignition parts have now been changed, > > including the coil, after all it is an ignition part, isn't it? That [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > Toyota MDT |
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