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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / Maintenance and Repair / November 2006

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1985 Honda Accord, Frozen Caliper Slider

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Larry Bud - 14 Nov 2006 20:51 GMT
My girlfriend has a '85 Accord and the front right caliper won't slide.
The Piston still works.

Called around and we can't get the bracket, but we can get the caliper.
What's the recommended way to replace this?  Can I unfreeze the
bracket, and if I do, will it still be OK to use with a new caliper and
pins?  What's the best way to unfreeze the bracket (already tried
penetrating oil)?  Do we need a new caliper, or can I just get the pins
and the rubber bushings (they're done for).

TIA.
Brent P - 14 Nov 2006 21:30 GMT
> My girlfriend has a '85 Accord and the front right caliper won't slide.
>  The Piston still works.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> penetrating oil)?  Do we need a new caliper, or can I just get the pins
> and the rubber bushings (they're done for).

It depends if you can get the pins free. I've had two encounters with
siezed pins. One I had to buy new brackets as I was unable to free the
pins from the bracket. The bracket came with new pins. On the other I was
able to free them and thankfully they weren't rusted in, just stuck and
were in good condition.

Basically what you want to do is to get the pins out without marring the
sliding surfaces (on either part) or any threads for attaching bolts should
there be any. Once you get them out then you can see if they are still good.

I can't recall exactly what I did, but it involved making a little press
out of the various pullers and tools I have that hooked to the bracket such
that I could push them out. Probably also used something simple like
pentrating oil as well. Once out everything got a good clean up and good
greasing with brake lube.

Another thing to consider is going to a self serve salvage yard and
seeing if there's an '85 accord you can take the caliper brackets off of.

There is no need to replace the caliper based on your discription unless
there has been some unusual damage to it or there is something else wrong
you didn't mention.
TeGGeR® - 15 Nov 2006 02:20 GMT
"Larry Bud" <larrybud2002@yahoo.com> wrote in news:1163537473.407628.206590
@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com:

> My girlfriend has a '85 Accord and the front right caliper won't slide.
>  The Piston still works.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> penetrating oil)?  Do we need a new caliper, or can I just get the pins
> and the rubber bushings (they're done for).

Can you remove the lower bolt? If so, you should be able to carefully
lever/swivel/wiggle the caliper off the upper pin.

The problem is rust, which can be sanded off once surfaces are exposed.

How do you mean the parts are "done for"? So long as the rubber's not
split, the parts can usually be reused. You might need lots of 50-grit
emery cloth and Sil-Glyde, but it ought to be restorable.

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Larry Bud - 15 Nov 2006 13:17 GMT
> "Larry Bud" <larrybud2002@yahoo.com> wrote in news:1163537473.407628.206590
> @m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com:
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> split, the parts can usually be reused. You might need lots of 50-grit
> emery cloth and Sil-Glyde, but it ought to be restorable.

The rubber bushing is history.  The rest of the parts, I don't know.  I
should be able to move the lower bolt.  The bottom pin is free, it's
the top one that's frozen.
TeGGeR® - 15 Nov 2006 18:54 GMT
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>> How do you mean the parts are "done for"? So long as the rubber's not
>> split, the parts can usually be reused. You might need lots of
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> I should be able to move the lower bolt.  The bottom pin is free, it's
> the top one that's frozen.

If I remember correctly (been a while), the top one stays where it is.
It does not come off. The caliper should slip off the upper pin once the
lower bolt is removed.

I'd suggest removing the lower bolt, pivoting the caliper free of the
pads and rotor, then trying to wiggle/pull until the caliper comes off
the upper pin.

Bring the rubber parts to your dealer and tell him what car they come
from. Honda's parts inventory goes back quite a ways, and they may be
able to find similar or same parts from a later model.

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Larry Bud - 15 Nov 2006 19:14 GMT
> >> How do you mean the parts are "done for"? So long as the rubber's not
> >> split, the parts can usually be reused. You might need lots of
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> > I should be able to move the lower bolt.  The bottom pin is free, it's
> > the top one that's frozen.

> If I remember correctly (been a while), the top one stays where it is.
> It does not come off. The caliper should slip off the upper pin once the
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> from. Honda's parts inventory goes back quite a ways, and they may be
> able to find similar or same parts from a later model.

I found the rubber part online, so I'm good to so.  I'll give this a
shot tomorrow night.  Thx all for the help!
Ted Mittelstaedt - 15 Nov 2006 08:57 GMT
> My girlfriend has a '85 Accord and the front right caliper won't slide.
>  The Piston still works.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> pins?  What's the best way to unfreeze the bracket (already tried
> penetrating oil)?

What penetrating oil did you try?

A lot of people are under the impression WD-40 is a penetrating
oil, they squirt that on there and when the part doesen't free up they
give up.

Ted
Larry Bud - 15 Nov 2006 13:15 GMT
> > My girlfriend has a '85 Accord and the front right caliper won't slide.
> >  The Piston still works.
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> oil, they squirt that on there and when the part doesen't free up they
> give up.

I forget the name, but it's not WD-40.  It's a real penetrating oil.
Rodan - 15 Nov 2006 13:19 GMT
"Larry Bud" wrote:      1985 Honda Accord

The front right brake caliper is frozen; won't slide.
The Piston still works.   I called around and can't
get the bracket but can get the caliper.

Can I unfreeze the bracket, and if I do, will it still
be OK to use with a new caliper and pins?
What's the best way to unfreeze the bracket
(already tried penetrating oil)?
_______________________________________

What penetrating oil did you try?  A lot of people
are under the impression WD-40 is a penetrating
oil, they squirt that on there and when the part
doesen't free up they give up.
________________________________________

WD-40 could have caused the original freeze-up.
It penetrates some at first, but when its aromatic
portion evaporates, it leaves a hygroscopic residue
that attracts moisture and causes parts to rust.

Soak it well with a better penetrant, let it sit a
few hours, and try again.  My favorite penetrant
is PB Blaster, but many others are available.

Good luck.

Rodan.
 
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