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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / Maintenance and Repair / December 2006

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new yorker inner tie rod

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Jeff - 25 Nov 2006 01:07 GMT
88 New Yorker

I have a lot of play on the passenger side where the tie rod goes into
the the steering gear. The other side is tight. What is going on here
and how do I repair it?

  Jeff
MasterBlaster - 25 Nov 2006 11:52 GMT
> 88 New Yorker
>
> I have a lot of play on the passenger side where the tie rod goes into
> the the steering gear. The other side is tight. What is going on here
> and how do I repair it?

Inner tie rod (one big long part) is worn out. Replace it.
It will look amazingly like this:
http://info.rockauto.com/Spicer/Detail.html?4011451B-4.jpg

To do it properly and safely, the steering gear should be out of the car, and
a special lo-o-o-o-o-o-o-ong socket is used to tighten the hex portion onto
the threaded end of the "rack" (the steel geared part that moves back and forth),
while holding a flat part of the rack with another wrench (or "spanner" for
you "@all.uk" types), and not putting any force on the outer housing. If you
just screw it on and try tightening while it's in the car, there is a risk of the
torque damaging the housing or the internal gear (pinion).
phaeton - 26 Nov 2006 16:13 GMT
> Inner tie rod (one big long part) is worn out. Replace it.
> It will look amazingly like this:
> http://info.rockauto.com/Spicer/Detail.html?4011451B-4.jpg

If I may poke my head in on this for a sec....

What's the chance that the inner tie rod ends wear out faster than the
outers?  I've got a car with a bit of play in the steering, but when I
jack it up and wiggle the wheel I don't see it on the outside rod ends.

(Just hoping it's the inner tie rods and not in the rack itself)

thx

-phaeton
Marsh Monster - 26 Nov 2006 16:56 GMT
> > Inner tie rod (one big long part) is worn out. Replace it.
> > It will look amazingly like this:
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> thx
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~~WARNING~~
*Please read all instructions before attempting repair*
(you don't wanna miss nut'n)

The chances are good.

Next time you jack it up...pinch the "bellows"  boot
that seals the rack and the inner tie rod.

While pinching the boot, trace the rod inward,
untill you feel the "socket" portion of the inner
tie rod.  That will be the "ball and socket" portion.

(envision a marble, sitting on a thimble)

Now have someone "jolst" the tire side to side,
using about 1/2 inch to 1 inch of movement.

If the tie rods bad, even slightly, you WILL feel
movement between the ball and socket.

a suggestion..........
jack the car up under the lower controll arm.
It eliminates stress, and makes it easier to
identify the problem. And...you can check
the lower balljoints at the same time.

anywhooooo

~:~
MarshMonser
~sips his crownroyal....wonders if you've priced a "long rack"
assembly~
~:~

  :D
Comboverfish - 27 Nov 2006 13:38 GMT
> If I may poke my head in on this for a sec....
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> (Just hoping it's the inner tie rods and not in the rack itself)

If you are talking about the 90's Escort you picked up recently, then
you can bet the inner tie rods are loose.  They wear out extremely fast
on FWD Fords of that era.  They are fairly easy to replace with a tie
rod socket tool or an appropriately sized crows foot wrench.  You will
need to set toe or get it aligned afterward.

Toyota MDT in MO
Marsh Monster - 26 Nov 2006 17:02 GMT
.
.
(Concerning replacing inner tie rods on a rack'n'pinion)
.
.
MasterBlaster wrote in message:

To do it properly and safely, the steering gear should be out of the
car,

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==========

~~W A R N I N G ~~
~~W A R N I N G~~
~~W A R N I N G~~

INCORRECT REPAIR PROCEEDURES POSTED ABOVE

~:~
MarshMonster
~takes a toke, sips his crownroyal....and falls out of his chair
laughing~
~:~
MasterBlaster - 27 Nov 2006 02:16 GMT
> (Concerning replacing inner tie rods on a rack'n'pinion)
>
>  To do it properly and safely, the steering gear should be out of the
> car,

> ~~W A R N I N G~~
> INCORRECT REPAIR PROCEEDURES POSTED ABOVE

Okay, how about:

"To eliminate the chance of accidentally damaging internal parts by applying
excessive torque while loosening and/or or tightening the inner tie rod nut, and
if you can't get a wrench securely on the "flats" of the steel rack to ensure there
is no rotational force applied...."  the steering gear should be out of the car.

Is that better?

Or do you just crank the nut down, and when the owner comes back in a week
complaining that the rack is stiff, jumpy, binds, leaks, etc., you just tell him it was
normal wear and it should be replaced and you just happen to have one in stock
and you'll be happy to install it and that'll be another $500 please.
Marsh Monster - 09 Dec 2006 21:22 GMT
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> Okay, how about:
>
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> normal wear and it should be replaced and you just happen to have one in stock
> and you'll be happy to install it and that'll be another $500 please.

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========

No.

The statement is not better.

and.....

I don't jest crank the nut down, thank you very much.

I use the correct tools fer duh application.

unlike.........
well........

:)

MARSHMONSTER
~wonders if you wonder if you should wonder if
i wonder if you know what i know~

(mmmm...goood crown royal~

:)
MasterBlaster - 10 Dec 2006 01:36 GMT
> > "To eliminate the chance of accidentally damaging internal parts by applying
> > excessive torque while loosening and/or or tightening the inner tie rod nut,

> The statement is not better.
> I don't jest crank the nut down, thank you very much.
> I use the correct tools fer duh application.

And what about original poster Jeff, who likely doesn't own the "correct" tools,
and just might crank the nut down until it "seems to be tight enough". If he damages
something, will you pay for the new parts? Will you attend the funerals if that damage
causes the steering to lock up, the car misses the turn, and plows through a group
of Nuns leading a class of blind school children across the street to the petting zoo?

When explaining procedures to people who ask on the Internet rather than
consulting a factory (or even Haynes) shop manual, I prefer to err on the side
of caution, if only to make them extra careful.
 
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