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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / Maintenance and Repair / December 2006

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Oberg Filter installation?

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Mister Ed - 02 Dec 2006 15:21 GMT
I want to install an Oberg Filter that I have purchased on my new 2006
Ford Escape. My question is can I mount the filter above the engine on
the fender or does this create problems with oil starvation on start up
because of gravity?
Kruse - 02 Dec 2006 17:09 GMT
> I want to install an Oberg Filter that I have purchased on my new 2006
> Ford Escape. My question is can I mount the filter above the engine on
> the fender or does this create problems with oil starvation on start up
> because of gravity?

Oberg might be a very good filter, I don't know. My question is if Ford
will warranty your
engine if it craps out and you have an aftermarket external oil
filter......
aarcuda69062 - 02 Dec 2006 21:09 GMT
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<1165079377.873232.244750@73g2000cwn.googlegroups.com>,

> > I want to install an Oberg Filter that I have purchased on my new 2006
> > Ford Escape. My question is can I mount the filter above the engine on
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> engine if it craps out and you have an aftermarket external oil
> filter......

The installation of an aftermarket external oil filter does not
absolve Ford from its warranty obligations.
Kevin Bottorff - 02 Dec 2006 22:53 GMT
> In article
> <1165079377.873232.244750@73g2000cwn.googlegroups.com>,
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> The installation of an aftermarket external oil filter does not
> absolve Ford from its warranty obligations.

 But will  most certainly increase the hassle factor if a problem
develops and will probly provide no actuall benfit to the eng.  KB

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Kruse - 03 Dec 2006 00:31 GMT
> The installation of an aftermarket external oil filter does not
> absolve Ford from its warranty obligations.

Of course not. That was not the point of my post. My point was that
while a lot of regulars on this group are aware of the Magnuson-Moss
Warranty Act, apparently a lot of service managers are not. Ford (and
all the other manufacturers) have their lawyers on call. Most
automobile owners do not. It is also the manufacturer's attitude that a
person will give up on getting warranty work if there is a little bit
of a hassle to it.
Case in point: I have a buddy who had transmission problems on a truck
(manufacture is not important here) that was still under warranty. The
warranty work was initially refused because of "modifications that
caused undo stress on the transmission". His modification? He had
replaced the factory wheels with aftermarket wheels, even though the
tire size had not changed. He got his warranty work done, but only
after spending several hundred on lawyer fees. His truck also had to
sit on the lot for two months because he couldn't drive it. He also was
doing monthly payments and insurance while the truck just sat on the
lot being unused.

Would the Oberg cause an engine to crap? Probably not, but a slick
corporate lawyer might easily have a jury to believe it.
Ted Mittelstaedt - 04 Dec 2006 08:47 GMT
> > The installation of an aftermarket external oil filter does not
> > absolve Ford from its warranty obligations.
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> Would the Oberg cause an engine to crap? Probably not, but a slick
> corporate lawyer might easily have a jury to believe it.

The simple solution then would be to remove it before taking it in
to have the engine replaced.

Ted
Tegger - 05 Dec 2006 00:02 GMT
> In article
> <1165079377.873232.244750@73g2000cwn.googlegroups.com>,
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> The installation of an aftermarket external oil filter does not
> absolve Ford from its warranty obligations.

Then would Ford default to honoring an engine-failure warranty claim unless
the Oberg system could be shown to have contributed to the failure?

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Knifeblade_03 - 02 Dec 2006 23:26 GMT
I'd think the Ford dealer would definately argue any warranty work. It's
a gamble that you may or may not get the warranty work done in a
"timely" manner, at least.

I'm not sure why you want an additional filter, unless you are
expecting very severe engine usage, which would itself be an issue with
the dealer for any warranty repair.

However, if you see a real need for an additional filter, I would think
"feed" as the OP was concerned over. That itself, another potential
voided warranty issue. If the external filter isn't receiving a fast
enough flow into it so it can deliver it back to the engine, or if the
filter "dries out" before it gets it's oil supply, Ford will likely say
"modification that voids existing warranty". In essence, they aren't
liable for an owner modifying an engine that departs from the factory
issue.

I just don't think the possible benefit of another filter [especially
the time and work needed to line it into the oil flow correctly] is
really worth the risk of a voided warranty. Just my :2cents: .

However, there is one way around all that, have the dealer do it, then,
most likely, it stays cool re warranty.

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Knifeblade_03 - 03 Dec 2006 04:11 GMT
Well,there it is, you stated it >His modification? He had
replaced the factory wheels with aftermarket wheels, even though the
tire size had not changed. He got his warranty work done, but only
after spending several hundred on lawyer fees.<

I reiterate, why bother? Go ahead, put the filter in, spend X dollars
to pursue your claim.

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* - 04 Dec 2006 23:03 GMT
Mister Ed <jemallett@shaw.ca> wrote in article
<1165072910.974922.58520@79g2000cws.googlegroups.com>...
> I want to install an Oberg Filter that I have purchased on my new 2006
> Ford Escape.

Why?

The Oberg is more of a screen or sieve - not a filter.

The sieve in the Oberg doesn't come close to the paper element in most
standard oil filters for the micron size it filters.

We have used Obergs for the last three or four decades on our race car
simply as a means to check for engine damage - plus, if you break something
such as a rocker arm, the metal usually ends up in the Oberg - NOT in
general oil circulation.

> My question is can I mount the filter above the engine on
> the fender or does this create problems with oil starvation on start up
> because of gravity?

Depends on how you have it plumbed in relation to the oil pump.

On our oval-track race cars, both our Oberg and our dual remote spin-on Wix
filters are mounted on the roll cage structure surrounding the engine - at
approximately rocker cover height - running dry sump on one car and wet
sump on the other - with the approval of, and at the direction of our
engine builders and no apparent issues.
 
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