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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / Maintenance and Repair / December 2006

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gasoline pumping out top of carb, what could cause?

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Masospaghetti - 19 Dec 2006 19:28 GMT
When a friend cranks the engine, the overflow tube (or the tube that
sticks out the top of the carb, whatever it is) pumps out gasoline. Car
is a 1986 Honda CRX. I just installed this carburetor. What could cause
this? It's the 1.5 liter 3 barrel.

Thanks
-J
AZ Nomad - 19 Dec 2006 19:36 GMT
>When a friend cranks the engine, the overflow tube (or the tube that
>sticks out the top of the carb, whatever it is) pumps out gasoline. Car
>is a 1986 Honda CRX. I just installed this carburetor. What could cause
>this? It's the 1.5 liter 3 barrel.

Stuck needle valve causing fuel supply chamber to overfill?
spamTHISbrp@yahoo.com - 19 Dec 2006 19:37 GMT
> When a friend cranks the engine, the overflow tube (or the tube that
> sticks out the top of the carb, whatever it is) pumps out gasoline. Car
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> Thanks
> -J

-Fuel pressure could be too high
-Return line could be plugged
-Float is stuck or mis-adjusted or a piece of crud is jamming the
needle seat.

The float is the most likely.

Dave
Masospaghetti - 19 Dec 2006 20:00 GMT
>> When a friend cranks the engine, the overflow tube (or the tube that
>> sticks out the top of the carb, whatever it is) pumps out gasoline. Car
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
> Dave

Thanks for replies.

I put some carb cleaner down into the bowl and now it doesn't seem to be
coming out the overflow tube. however, when i try to start the car, it
doesn't want to start, and when it finally catches it dies within a few
seconds. While its running its throwing out tons of smoke. I'm assuming
too rich, and i've checked and rechecked the vacuum lines. Any suggestions?

Thanks again
-J
spamTHISbrp@yahoo.com - 20 Dec 2006 00:20 GMT
> >> When a friend cranks the engine, the overflow tube (or the tube that
> >> sticks out the top of the carb, whatever it is) pumps out gasoline. Car
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
> Thanks again
> -J

There could be a ton of gas in the manifold.
Crank that sucker with the throttle open a bit. Feed it enough throttle
to keep it running, and see if it clears out in 5-10 seconds.

You should at some point check for gas in the oil if the carb dumped
gas into the manifold.

Dave
Mike Romain - 20 Dec 2006 00:52 GMT
You could still be describing problems with the float needle.  It sounds
like it is just letting a little in and it just runs the float bowl
dry.  How's the gas pump and fuel filter?

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
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> >> When a friend cranks the engine, the overflow tube (or the tube that
> >> sticks out the top of the carb, whatever it is) pumps out gasoline. Car
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
> Thanks again
> -J
Don - 20 Dec 2006 03:03 GMT
>> When a friend cranks the engine, the overflow tube (or the tube that
>> sticks out the top of the carb, whatever it is) pumps out gasoline. Car
>> is a 1986 Honda CRX. I just installed this carburetor. What could cause
>> this?

Crap in the fuel will prevent ANY carburetor from working properly.
Years ago I made the decision not to do carb overhauls as bench jobs
for this very reason.

>> It's the 1.5 liter 3 barrel.
>>
>> Thanks
>> -J
>
>-Fuel pressure could be too high

Unlikely

>-Return line could be plugged

Irrelevant in this application.

>-Float is stuck

And how does that happen?

>or mis-adjusted or a piece of crud is jamming the
>needle seat.
>The float is the most likely.

The piece of crud is by far the most likely.  There really is no way
for a float to become "stuck" but the piece of crud will hold the
needle slightly off the seat.  Invariably when people blame the
carburetor for chronic problems with the float "sticking" they need a
good inline filter right at the fuel inlet due torusting fuel lines or
whatever.

Don
www.donsautomotive.com

>Dave
Nate Nagel - 20 Dec 2006 03:53 GMT
>>>When a friend cranks the engine, the overflow tube (or the tube that
>>>sticks out the top of the carb, whatever it is) pumps out gasoline. Car
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> Years ago I made the decision not to do carb overhauls as bench jobs
> for this very reason.

I use a metal baking tray for just this purpose.

>>>It's the 1.5 liter 3 barrel.
>>>
[quoted text clipped - 26 lines]
> Don
> www.donsautomotive.com

I agree mostly, but I have found that if a carb gets all varnished up
inside that if it is used on a vehicle that is driven infrequently, it
will work fine once the car is running but when all the gasoline
evaporates out of the bowls and then you restart it, the float(s) may
actually stick to the bottom of the bowl.  I have had this happen both
on a '69 Valiant (Holley 1bbl) and a '73 Chevy pickup (Rochester 2bbl.)
 In any case, though, disassembly and cleaning is the fix and adding an
inline filter is never a bad idea.

Oddly enough, in both cases I ended up replacing the carb anyway.  The
Holley because the metering block literally disintegrated when I put it
in the dip bucket, and the Rochester because it couldn't keep an
accelerator pump in it for more than a year, no matter what.  The
Valiant is probably running to this day with the Carter that I put on
it, and I know the pickup was running well for years with a junkyard
Q-jet which lasted over a decade before being replaced with an Edelbrock.

nate

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Steve - 20 Dec 2006 15:30 GMT
>>-Float is stuck
>
> And how does that happen?

Usually from letting a carb sit with fuel in it until the bowl(s)
evaporate dry. The nasty additives in modern fuels make a pretty good
approximation to super glue when they dry out, and the float sticks to
the bottom of the bowl where it comes to rest as the fuel dries out.

But it can also happen on a "remanufactured" POS carb from the parts
store due to shoddy assembly work. I'd say more than half of the "reman"
carbs I've seen in recent years have some gross assembly error in them.
Mike Romain - 19 Dec 2006 20:02 GMT
That would usually mean the float needle is stuck open.  Sometimes you
can thump the carb with a chunk of 2x4 or a rubber mallet and loosen it
off, other times the crud needs to be cleaned out of it.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos:  Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

> When a friend cranks the engine, the overflow tube (or the tube that
> sticks out the top of the carb, whatever it is) pumps out gasoline. Car
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> Thanks
> -J
Tegger - 19 Dec 2006 22:16 GMT
Masospaghetti <no@mail.gatech.edu> wrote in news:em9egi$cv4$1@news-
int.gatech.edu:

> When a friend cranks the engine, the overflow tube (or the tube that
> sticks out the top of the carb, whatever it is) pumps out gasoline. Car
> is a 1986 Honda CRX. I just installed this carburetor. What could cause
> this? It's the 1.5 liter 3 barrel.

The tube you refer to is the bowl vent, which allows air in and out as the
fuel level rises and falls.

Your float is sunk or the fuel inlet valve is not seating properly.

Is the fuel return line installed and not blocked?


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Steve - 20 Dec 2006 15:28 GMT
> When a friend cranks the engine, the overflow tube (or the tube that
> sticks out the top of the carb, whatever it is) pumps out gasoline. Car
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> Thanks
> -J

Float valve(s) stuck open.
 
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