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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / Maintenance and Repair / December 2006

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Prob of car really fast revving in stationary position

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NumboJumbo - 23 Dec 2006 16:05 GMT
Hi

Own a Renault Clio and my car is really revving fast in it's stationary
position. It's happened twice now in the past couple of days. First
time it happened, we just took it to a local garage on the off chance
to get it repaired and all the mechanic did was to really slam his foot
on the accelerator for a while and the problem went away.

It's happened again and this time we did what the mechanic did with
slamming the accelerator on as far it will go, only this time the
problem is not corrected - it's still revving like merry hell. As it's
Christmas, with no garages open, I am seeking some advive as to what it
might be and whether it's safe to drive around in. It's only happened
since we've had a cold snap here in the UK. Oh and btw, the car is just
an incy wincy little more sluggish to start up in this cold weather.

If you need any more info, just ask and I'll try to fill the gaps in.
Thanks in advance.

Mike
Martin Underwood - 23 Dec 2006 17:57 GMT
NumboJumbo wrote in message
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> Hi
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> If you need any more info, just ask and I'll try to fill the gaps in.
> Thanks in advance.

If it had been a car with a carburettor and an automatic choke, I'd have
said that the slow-running control on the choke was out of adjustment. This
happened with a 1988 VW Golf that I once owned: very embarrassing to have
the engine racing away when you're stuck in a traffic on the London Orbital
Carpark (I mean "M25"!) - and very difficult to edge forward at low speed,
as well.

However with a modern fuel-injected car, I wonder whether could be the
accelerator cable that's fraying and sticking in its sheath. If you can
locate the throttle lever on the fuel injection unit (it will have the cable
attached to it) you could try manually closing it to see if it's sticking
open. Probably safest to do this with the engine turned off to avoid getting
your hands caught up in fan-belt pulleys. Maybe also open it right up
(definitely with the engine off!) to pull cable through the sheath, and see
if it shows any tendency to stick instead of closing when you release it.

If it is the throttle cable, I suggest you don't drive it in case it sticks
wide open while you are driving. I had a very scary experience when I was
learning to drive - coincidentally also in a  Renault, though this was one
of those ancient Renault 6s with the gear-lever like a hockey-stick coming
out of the dashboard. I was going up a steep hill so I was in low gear with
the engine running fast. When I got to the top and levelled out, I thought
the engine was racing a bit as I changed up, but thought I'd just muffed-up
the accelerator/clutch coordination. But when I got into 4th, the car shot
forward as you'd expect if you engage it with the engine running at 4000
rpm! Fortunately I realised very quickly what had happened (the accelerator
pedal didn't spring back when I took my foot after it) and I switched the
engine off *without turning the key so far as to lock the steering) and let
the car come to rest. The worst thing I could have done would have been to
press the clutch: deprived of any mechanical load the engine could have
revved so fast that it suffered mechanical damage, given that it wasn't a
modern car with a rev-limiter.

However I wonder if the poorer starting could be linked in any way to the
problem - suggests a mixture that is too lean or too rich, assuming that the
battery is OK and the engine is not so cold that it's struggling to turn
over against viscous oil.
NumboJumbo - 24 Dec 2006 18:38 GMT
Thanks for the response Martin.

Since this over-revving has occurred I left my car overnight in the
garage and in the morning just couldn't start the blighter. All the
electrics had gone. Mr Car Breakdown Man came along and got it going
again. Apparently the battery had lost all it's juice and was on it's
way out. After he had got the car going again the car was idling at
it's expected normal speed again, ie. it wasn't over-revving at all.

Mr Car Breakdown Man suggested that the problem with the over-revving
could be due to the battery being on it's way out, as so much relies on
the computer chips in the car to control most things, that a dud
battery supplying the electricity could cause problems. He suggested to
get a new battery.

This sounds reasonable to me as the car has had the occasional probs
starting up in the morning and what with this over-revving and battery
dying on me, well it seems to fit the picture. But, I'm no mechanic and
I wondered whether the dying battery sounds a reasonable cause for the
over-revving of the engine. Does anyone have any opinions as to whether
the cause of the over-revving being the dud battery, as suggested by Mr
Car Breakdown Man, was about right?

Thanks in advance
Mike

> NumboJumbo wrote in message
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> battery is OK and the engine is not so cold that it's struggling to turn
> over against viscous oil.
Knifeblade_03 - 25 Dec 2006 13:49 GMT
HHHHHHHHmmmmmmmmm........  I highly doubt the battery is a primary cause
for the over-revving symptom, since it still had enough "juice" to start
or at least turn the engine starter over?

If you had a true dead battery, mayhaps.  That might cause memory
failure in any computer controls, but they would normally re-set after
power was applied and available again.

I'd still look at all the mechanical linkages and cables first.  Blast
everything you can see with either/and/or a spray carb cleaner or spray
lube, and work the cables/linkages by hand to loosen them up.  Engine
off, of course.

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Josh - 27 Dec 2006 12:32 GMT
Just to make sure, put a voltmeter to the battery. It should read at
least 12 volts, optimal about 12.6 with the car off.  Then start the
car, and check again.  Voltage should go up, as the battery is
charging, NOT down. If the voltage when the car is running is equal to
or lower than the normal voltage then u have a bad charging circuit.
Charging voltage should be around 13.6v.
If both of these check out ur electrics are fine and u should give the
car fixy guy a knowlegeable talking to.
All things considered, this doesnt sound like your problem. The car
should stall before the computer would play up, electronics like this
usually run fine on about 10 volts.  Mechanical linkages sticking
sounds reasonable to me.
NumboJumbo - 30 Dec 2006 07:16 GMT
If anybody's interested, I have an update on my car situation. We had a
few other probs with the car, so we put it in the garage. It turned out
to be a loose live wire connection to the battery - as simple as that
and everything is running smoothly again.

However, not being a car type of guy, I still don't fully understand
how a loose wire can cause over-revving of the engine. Strange things
these cars!!

Thanks all your interest and help.
Mike
 
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