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Which is the best car in the world.It is your choice,but if you have the information the choice becomes easier.We can see solar cars by the end of 2007.Japanese car makers are working hard to bring new features to the cars.What are the features everyone is looking for.Do you have the answer : http://www.latest-cars-in-the-world.blogspot.com > Which is the best car in the world. =========== Heard this uncharacteristicly honest comment from a Mercedes dealer once: "The best car in the world is the one where you own the pink slip." The best car is very subjective. Personally, I would look for a car with a great service record. For such, my mechanic highly recommends a Lincoln Towncar, Mercury Grand Marquis or a Ford Crown Victoria. I hope to own one of the above by the end of 2007. sc > Which is the best car in the world.It is your choice,but if you have > the information the choice becomes easier.We can see solar cars by the > end of 2007.Japanese car makers are working hard to bring new features > to the cars.What are the features everyone is looking for.Do you have > the answer : > http://www.latest-cars-in-the-world.blogspot.com scosio <scosio@ibuytime.com> wrote in article <1167361755.421133.304980@n51g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>... > The best car is very subjective. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > sc • Think about this for a minute..... Your mechanic - who makes his money working on cars, NOT by watching them drive by his shop - wants you to buy a Ford Crown Vickie, Mercury Grand Marquis, or Lincoln Town Car. What a great guy - wanting you to buy a car that runs so well you reduce your visits to him. Most shops use the business model of INCREASING business to make more profit. Care to share the name of this saintly person and his business with the rest of us? • Think about this for a minute..... Bill Ford is meeting with Toyota executives in hopes of pulling Ford's butt out of the flames and saving the company - which, despite reducing its work force by 50 percent, STILL has a REAL chance of going under. If the company goes belly-up, what will happen to the equity you have in your Ford. • Think about this for a minute.... Lincolns are notorious for failing air-ride suspensions. You can simply search this newsgroup to find several threads concerning these cars..... .....yet your "guy" is suggesting you buy one. Interesting! • Think about this for a minute..... How is your mechanic interpreting the phrase "....service record...." in contrast to how YOU are interpreting it?.......... • Think about this for a minute.... The same technology and expertise that builds the Taurus/Sable and Escort goes into every Crown Vickie, Grand Marquis and Town Car coming off the assembly line.... And, you now have only half the people building the same number of cars. THAT's gotta' be a real plus for quality control. I suppose if I specialized in working on Ford products, I too would want ALL my customers driving them....... Well....I guess I better buy a Lexus then. sc > scosio <scosio@ibuytime.com> wrote in article > <1167361755.421133.304980@n51g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>... [quoted text clipped - 54 lines] > I suppose if I specialized in working on Ford products, I too would want > ALL my customers driving them....... > scosio <scosio@ibuytime.com> wrote in article > <1167361755.421133.304980@n51g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>... [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > your visits to him. Most shops use the business model of INCREASING > business to make more profit. What a dumb argument. No repair person who has any pride in his job is going to recommend a product that they know is crappy. Why would any mechanic in their right mind want to work on a crappy car? Crappy designs greatly increase the risk your going to get comebacks, which are what you lose money on, really fast. Since the Vic is the car of choice by most police departments it's easy to see why that was recommended. A mechanic can only work so much a week. If he has a small customer base who all have crappy cars and are in all of the time, he makes no more money than if he has a larger customer base who comes in a lot less frequently. If he recommends crappy cars then he's going to have more of his time taken up with fixing them, but he's going to end up more dependent on fewer customers. Not a very smart business move. > And, you now have only half the people building the same number of cars. > THAT's gotta' be a real plus for quality control. Means nothing. Maybe a lot of those people got replaced by robots? Maybe a lot of them were f.cking around since there wasn't enough orders for cars to build. Ted Ted Mittelstaedt <tedm@toybox.placo.com> wrote in article <newscache$m153bj$uz01$1@news.ipinc.net>... > > scosio <scosio@ibuytime.com> wrote in article > > <1167361755.421133.304980@n51g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>... [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > Since the Vic is the car of choice by most police departments it's easy to > see why that was recommended. Being the *only* full-sized, RWD car available with enough back seat room to be able to stuff perps in without cutting them into smaller pieces has more to do with selection of the Ford Crown Vickie by police departments than anything else. More than a few police departments around the country are giving a serious look to the new RWD Dodge Charger "Police Package". Several cops have been killed in exploding gas tank, Crown Vickie cruiser crashes....so many that Ford has developed a half-assed, "patch" involving a metal shield. They are NOT popular among those who MUST drive them. >Being the *only* full-sized, RWD car available with enough back seat room >to be able to stuff perps in without cutting them into smaller pieces has >more to do with selection of the Ford Crown Vickie by police departments >than anything else. Some police departments have no problem with cutting them into smaller pieces first. However, let me say that radio interference with engine control systems is a BIG issue in police cars, and Ford is one of the few companies that is willing to do something about it. Toyota basically won't guarantee anything if you put a 10W or more powerful transmitter in your car, for instance. The police version of the Crown Vic is pretty well-engineered to keep RF leakage out of engine sensors and keep the power bus clean, and Ford will provide support to police departments having RF troubles. Most car manufacturers will just shrug their shoulders. Note also the Crown Vic police model is a little bit different than the standard issue car. >More than a few police departments around the country are giving a serious >look to the new RWD Dodge Charger "Police Package". > >Several cops have been killed in exploding gas tank, Crown Vickie cruiser >crashes....so many that Ford has developed a half-assed, "patch" involving >a metal shield. The Mitsubishi engine systems used in some of the Dodges were notorious for RF issues. I hope they have got that fixed. The Charger isn't a bad feeling car, though. >They are NOT popular among those who MUST drive them. Our local police department has a confiscated BMW M3 outfitted as a police vehicle. It is very popular among officers. Needless to say it handles a bit better than the Crown Vic or Charger... well, a whole lot really... --scott  Signature"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." >scosio <scosio@ibuytime.com> wrote in article ><1167361755.421133.304980@n51g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>... [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >drive by his shop - wants you to buy a Ford Crown Vickie, Mercury Grand >Marquis, or Lincoln Town Car. My experience with Fords in the past 15 years tells me they don't need much service. Ditto for the Chevies I've been connected with. Can't say the same for Chrysler products. The imports I've had any connection to have all needed far more work then most of the domestics. Several fords have gone past 200K on their original engines and transmissions. And there is a reason Taxi's love Crown Vics .... and it's not because they have to repair them all the time.... >What a great guy - wanting you to buy a car that runs so well you reduce >your visits to him. Most shops use the business model of INCREASING [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] >I suppose if I specialized in working on Ford products, I too would want >ALL my customers driving them....... > And there is a reason Taxi's love Crown Vics .... > and it's not because they have to repair them all the time.... That's precisely the point my mechanic was making. He once told me that he used to work for an auto dealer in Houston and had an ongoing agreement with a local cab company that, whenever someone traded in a Town Car, Grand Marquis or Crown Vic, it would immediately be sold to them. sc Contrary to what some Ford bashers might say your mechanic gave you good advice. I bought my wife a Grand Marquis and it's been a great car. Other than spark plug wires and plugged EGR ports they just don't have a lot of problems. The Lincoln air ride suspensions will eventually leak but are not that expensive to repair. Bob >> And there is a reason Taxi's love Crown Vics .... >> and it's not because they have to repair them all the time.... [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > sc The best car(s) in the world are those that do not require a computer to be repaired... ============================================= www.reviewmymechanic.com > The best car(s) in the world are those that do not require a computer > to be repaired... Are there any cars in the modern world that do not have computers? I dont know of any. It is my belief that we have more failures in the peripheral electrics than in the computer modules. All electrical failures in modern cars can be a PITA. >> The best car(s) in the world are those that do not require a computer >> to be repaired... > >Are there any cars in the modern world that do not have computers? >I dont know of any. The _idea_ of having a computer in there is a great one. The _implementation_ is terrible. I should be able to pop the hood, pull up a little LCD display, and watch any signal waveform I want. I should be able to see trends and constant values of any of the sensor inputs or computer outputs, and how the input is turned into an output should be documented with flow charts in the manual. UNFORTUNATELY this is not the case. But don't blame the computer for the lack of documentation and lousy user interface. Blame the manufacturer who didn't design the car with service in mind, and blame the owner for not demanding it. >It is my belief that we have more failures in the peripheral electrics >than in the computer modules. All electrical failures in modern cars >can be a PITA. Yes, but the computer modules don't do a very good job of helping you diagnose those peripheral problems. Sensors fail, the computer believes the bad data, the car runs poorly, the user doesn't know what to do. The user pulls a code saying that some sensor is out of range, so they replace that sensor... but the sensor is out of range BECAUSE the car is running poorly and not the other way around, so they waste their money and time. It doesn't need to be this way. And there are a LOT of things on modern cars that are electrically controlled that really don't need to be. --scott Signature"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." > Contrary to what some Ford bashers might say your mechanic gave you good > advice. I bought my wife a Grand Marquis and it's been a great car. Other > than spark plug wires and plugged EGR ports they just don't have a lot of > problems. The Lincoln air ride suspensions will eventually leak but are not > that expensive to repair. I'm on my third and fourth used Grand Marquises now. The first got T-boned by a bozo who slept through a red light, and the second was a parts car for the first (car and all its extra parts were $300 less than a front clip). The second ran great and it was a pity to part it out, but the first was nicer and ran better. A friend who I converted to the Grand Marquis faith has a family of four and *five* GMs he bought new over the years. SignatureNazi: a person who is winning an argument with a liberal. OurCarGuy <scosio@ibuytime.com> wrote in article <1167598837.136734.14860@48g2000cwx.googlegroups.com>... > > And there is a reason Taxi's love Crown Vics .... > > and it's not because they have to repair them all the time.... [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Town Car, Grand Marquis or Crown Vic, it would immediately be sold to > them. I believe you would also find this - as with police "preferences" for the Ford RWD cars - is predicated more on the need for a roomy back seat to accomodate passengers - the base of their business - than for any other parameter. It is no secret that taxi service is actually GOOD for a vehicle - allowing them to fully warm up and spend most of their life running at design temperatures for the engine, transmission and rear axle. When I worked on a fleet of slant-six taxies, they consistently went 200K without so much as removing the rocker cover. >OurCarGuy <scosio@ibuytime.com> wrote in article ><1167598837.136734.14860@48g2000cwx.googlegroups.com>... [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >When I worked on a fleet of slant-six taxies, they consistently went 200K >without so much as removing the rocker cover. The slant six in any vehicle application was notorious for lasting forever. > When I worked on a fleet of slant-six taxies, they consistently went 200K > without so much as removing the rocker cover. I guess your mechanics were unaware that you were supposed to adjust the valve clearances at least once a year? nate >>When I worked on a fleet of slant-six taxies, they consistently went 200K >>without so much as removing the rocker cover. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > nate Probably, although if this was after sometime around '78 the slanty got hydraulic lifters. But a slant-6 will STILL go 200k without a valve adjustment- it just sounds like a sewing machine. Unlike an air-cooled VW where the valves stretch and the lash decreases until a valve burns if you don't adjust them, a slanty's valve lash will just slowly increase due to wear on the rockers and pushrod tips. Excessive lash won't hurt the engine, its just noisy. >The best car is very subjective. No, but the WORST car is the Trabant. It's so bad, it's cool. Even the Dodge Omni and the Lada put together aren't so bad. --scott Signature"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." > >The best car is very subjective. > > No, but the WORST car is the Trabant. It's so bad, it's cool. How about the Yugo? Who would have thought that anything from Yugoslavia could possibly fall apart? ;-) SignaturePaul Hovnanian mailto:Paul@Hovnanian.com ------------------------------------------------------------------ At some point it becomes necessary to behead all the architects and begin construction. -- Abi-Bar-Shim (Project Mgr. - Great Pyramid) >> >The best car is very subjective. >> >> No, but the WORST car is the Trabant. It's so bad, it's cool. > >How about the Yugo? Who would have thought that anything from Yugoslavia >could possibly fall apart? My friend used to have a Yugo, but now he has a Bosnogo and a Serbo, and a Montenegro in his garage. Even so, the Trabant is the winner. I was talking with a couple of former East German electrical engineers this summer, and one of them was heavily into Trabant racing. ONE: The Trabant is actually a very reliable car, because there is so little to go wrong with it. TWO: Yes, and anything that fails can easily be replaced. ONE: They are the most reliable cars I know. TWO: Of course, sometimes they catch fire. ONE: Yes, that's true, you need to carry an extinguisher. --scott Signature"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." The best cars are the lower line General Motors and Toyota vehicles. Most reliable, most for the money, best service record, cheaper replacement parts when needed.... generally. >The best cars are the lower line General Motors and Toyota vehicles. Most >reliable, most for the money, best service record, cheaper replacement >parts when needed.... generally. what color is the sky on your planet? >>The best cars are the lower line General Motors and Toyota vehicles. Most >>reliable, most for the money, best service record, cheaper replacement >>parts when needed.... generally. > > what color is the sky on your planet? And what's the best vehicle when you look through your rose colored glasses? > The best cars are the lower line General Motors and Toyota vehicles. Most > reliable, most for the money, best service record, cheaper replacement > parts when needed.... generally. Especially the lower line General Motors which ARE Toyota vehicles. Or were. In the past two of the best police and highway patrol cars were: early 70s Mercury Marquis, and mid 70s Chevrolet Police Nova. Some departments liked them so well they kept them twice as long as other brands. > In the past two of the best police and highway patrol cars were: early > 70s Mercury Marquis, and mid 70s Chevrolet Police Nova. Not on this planet. The top rated police cruiser in most surveys I've read is the '69 Dodge Polara. Chevy didn't even register more than a blip in terms of police car sales until AFTER Mopar was out of the business in the late 80s. > Which is the best car in the world.It is your choice,but if you have > the information the choice becomes easier.We can see solar cars by the > end of 2007.Japanese car makers are working hard to bring new features > to the cars.What are the features everyone is looking for.Do you have > the answer : > http://www.latest-cars-in-the-world.blogspot.com The subject of your message Best Cars In The World isn't supported by your blog which talks only about the latest gadget laden cars. >>Which is the best car in the world.It is your choice,but if you have >>the information the choice becomes easier.We can see solar cars by the [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > The subject of your message Best Cars In The World isn't supported by > your blog which talks only about the latest gadget laden cars. I agree completely, and that may be a first for me and John S. ;-). |
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