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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / Maintenance and Repair / January 2007

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Willy - 05 Jan 2007 19:43 GMT
I realize there must be a lot of variables, and perhaps you can elaborate on
the more important ones, but generally speaking, is a 6-cyl motor going to
be inherently more durable than a 4-cyl, and an 8-cyl more durable than a
6-cyl?

I would think a more powerful engine in the same car would not be working as
hard, and would therefore last longer. But what if the bigger engine is in a
proportionally bigger vehicle? Is there anything about the mechanics of the
larger engine that makes it more (or less?) reliable?

Thanks.
HLS@nospam.nix - 05 Jan 2007 20:05 GMT
> I realize there must be a lot of variables, and perhaps you can elaborate on
> the more important ones, but generally speaking, is a 6-cyl motor going to
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>
> Thanks.

I think durability is more a function of engine design and quality of
manufacture than
anything else.  Durability of any engine will suffer if neglected or abused.

Now, sure, if you put a tiny engine in a huge car you would be stressing the
engine
all the time and would not likely be satisfied.  A huge engine in a small
car can be
a nightmare as well (I am well qualified to comment on this!)

But if you consider engines that are similar in size and power, then that
argument
can be largely offset.

Straight sixes run smoother than fours, in general, and can be balanced
better.  V-8s are not
as inherently balanceable as straight sixes, but still are smooth enough for
most people.
Balance shaft applications can tame many a shivering powerplant.
Stephen H - 07 Jan 2007 07:02 GMT
<> Now, sure, if you put a tiny engine in a huge car you would be stressing
the
> engine
> all the time and would not likely be satisfied.  A huge engine in a small
> car can be
> a nightmare as well (I am well qualified to comment on this!)

Please, expand on this.......  ;)

Steve
HLS@nospam.nix - 07 Jan 2007 17:07 GMT
> <> Now, sure, if you put a tiny engine in a huge car you would be stressing
> the
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>
> Steve

I was one of the few people who ordered a factory 428 CobraJet Mustang when
they
came out in 1968.  There were problems with ooverheating, driveability,
economy, etc etc.

The engine started burning lots of oil at 17,000 miles, due to a broken ring
land. Later
it caught fire.

What a nightmare!   Instead of paying off a car, I felt I was serving a
sentence....
Steve - 07 Jan 2007 21:28 GMT
> I was one of the few people who ordered a factory 428 CobraJet Mustang when
> they
> came out in 1968.  There were problems with ooverheating, driveability,
> economy, etc etc.

But then, you don't *buy* a car like that for economy, either.

On the other hand, there were some muscle cars out there that were
amazingly docile and reliable. A 440 Mopar in, say, a GTX will run all
day in traffic with the A/C on without overheating or "loading up" too
much.  So will a 455 Oldsmobile in a 442.

> The engine started burning lots of oil at 17,000 miles, due to a broken ring
> land. Later
> it caught fire.

Somehow I just KNEW that a story about a problematic Ford would end with
it catching fire. The only thing I can conclude is that the blue oval
emblem itself is a fire hazard ;-)
HLS@nospam.nix - 07 Jan 2007 23:20 GMT
> > I was one of the few people who ordered a factory 428 CobraJet Mustang when
> > they
> > came out in 1968.  There were problems with ooverheating, driveability,
> > economy, etc etc.

Economy was a minor thing, Steve.  You are right.  I didnt buy it for
economy.
But, there was so much engine, so much heat, in this small frame that it
really
made for a dismal whip.  It didnt handle, it didnt really run that well, it
was
not economical, heat problems caused a myriad of dependability problems.

It was truly a turd
midgetracing28 - 07 Jan 2007 08:33 GMT
Bigger engines are only better to a point after that they are no longer
efficient. If you manage to put to big of an engine in a vehicle u find
out where all the weak spots are after that as far as the trans,rear
end, frame it could be any number of things so only get as big as you
need. And if your looking for gas mileage you shouldnt worry about the
engien size instead look at the hole car i get 12mpg with my 460 in a
91f250 ext cab 4x4. The only good thing is it pulls the loaded car
trailer straight as an arrow  60-70mph down the highway when its
raceday.

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stauffer@usfamily.net - 07 Jan 2007 16:43 GMT
> I realize there must be a lot of variables, and perhaps you can elaborate on
> the more important ones, but generally speaking, is a 6-cyl motor going to
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>
> Thanks.

You seem to feel that the power of the engine is proportional to the
number of cylinders.  This is true only if the cylinders are the same
size. In passenger car engines this tends to be SOMEWHAT true. It is
NOT true with engines for other purposes.  There are some whopping big
four cylinder industrial engines out there that are high power.

Better than engine size,  rpm or better yet, piston speed at operating
rpm is a better determiner of longevity.  With two engines of the same
size displacement, one with a shorter stroke will have a lower piston
speed and better longevity, but may not be as efficient.

As someone else pointed out, however, the big determiner is how the
engine is made.  The TYPE of service is important also.  Industrial
engines running at constant load and rpm can last a VERY long time.
 
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