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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / Maintenance and Repair / January 2007Any diesel mechanic gurus on here?
I have a problem with a 4 cyl. diesel. >I have a problem with a 4 cyl. diesel. I think you are also asking for a palm reader but the electrons coming in here are a bit dim to see what you are having a problem with. Lugnut Wasn't it clear to you that I wanted to see if there were any diesel guys on here before I posted the problem? I still don't know if there are any. >>I have a problem with a 4 cyl. diesel. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Lugnut > Wasn't it clear to you that I wanted to see if there were any diesel guys on > here before I posted the problem? > > I still don't know if there are any. Oh, for cripe's sake, just POST the blasted details already and quit noodling around wasting everybody's electrons and insulting people that ask for more details. Either someone will answer or someone won't. You don't really know that a "diesel mechanic guru" (whatever that might be in your mind) is even necessary, dozens of people on here might know the answer if you'd just POST THE PROBLEM! A diesel is an engine not all that different from any other. Not a box of black magic. Sheesh. Why read what you obviously can't handle. Save your electrons and wear your tin-foil hat. >> Wasn't it clear to you that I wanted to see if there were any diesel guys >> on here before I posted the problem? [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Sheesh. >I have a problem with a 4 cyl. diesel. "The problem with it... the problem is that it's French." -- Renault diesel technician  Signature"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." Sorry, Charlie, no cigar. Your crystal ball blew a fuse. >>I have a problem with a 4 cyl. diesel. > > "The problem with it... the problem is that it's French." > -- Renault diesel technician > I have a problem with a 4 cyl. diesel. OK I'll bite , what are the symptoms ? what make and model engine ? before I type a bunch of stuff, are you a diesel mechanic? Onan engine. >> I have a problem with a 4 cyl. diesel. > > OK I'll bite , what are the symptoms ? > what make and model engine ? I am... what's up ? > before I type a bunch of stuff, are you a diesel mechanic? Onan engine. > >>> I have a problem with a 4 cyl. diesel. >> >> OK I'll bite , what are the symptoms ? >> what make and model engine ? Fine, Noozer. I have fuel problems with an Onan Diesel, DJC, 4 cylinder. Are you familiar with them? b >I am... what's up ? > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >>> OK I'll bite , what are the symptoms ? >>> what make and model engine ? junk it. > Fine, Noozer. > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >>>> OK I'll bite , what are the symptoms ? >>>> what make and model engine ? Should be clear from Phillip's post why I don't want to waste time. > junk it. >> Fine, Noozer. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >>>>> OK I'll bite , what are the symptoms ? >>>>> what make and model engine ? LOL! You have already wasted half a day with your BS posts. Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590 (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > Should be clear from Phillip's post why I don't want to waste time. > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > >>>>> OK I'll bite , what are the symptoms ? > >>>>> what make and model engine ? You see, kid, that is why Usenet is full of folks who waste your time. Now, grow up and buzz off. You can't contribute anything but hatefulness. b > LOL! > [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] >> >>>>> OK I'll bite , what are the symptoms ? >> >>>>> what make and model engine ? > Should be clear from Phillip's post why I don't want to waste time. But you're perfectly willing to waste even more more time typing idiotic reasons NOT to just explain the problem. Yep, you're a real brain trust, there, mister. I'd be glad to think about any problem you post and offer any suggestions I can come up with... IF you'll go ahead and POST it. There's absolutely no rational, sane, intelligent reason to not just throw it out there and watch for results. Nah, you are not qualified. In other words, you are not capable of helping with THIS problem. All you know that there is air in the system. Now, run along. >> Should be clear from Phillip's post why I don't want to waste time. > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > no rational, sane, intelligent reason to not just throw it out there and > watch for results. Ya > Fine, Noozer. > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >>>> OK I'll bite , what are the symptoms ? >>>> what make and model engine ? Can't get fuel from the injection pump to the injectors. Bled air from lines up to pump. b. > Ya > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >>>>> OK I'll bite , what are the symptoms ? >>>>> what make and model engine ? > Can't get fuel from the injection pump to the injectors. Bled air from > lines up to pump. > > b. Now that you have actually specified a problem.... Is the pump actually turning? (not a silly question) Do you get any fuel out of the top of the pump while cranking the engine? (pull the lines) What pump is on this? I think it's a Rossa, but if it's a Bosch or Rochester, you may be able to pull the side plates and make sure the pistons are moving and the rack isn't frozen. What sort of fuel pressure do you have to the pump? Have you bled the injector lines? JW Yes, it is turning or I would have said that it is not. To put it succinctly, there is no fuel to the injectors. I, too, believe it is a Rossa/Stanadyne. Don't have a fuel pressure gauge -yet but, it was running with the same flow to the pump as now as determined by eye (yes, I know but, it should at least run with some amount of flow) and that was manually pumping it. No, yours is not a silly suggestion when you suggest that the pump may not be turning but, just look at the kiddies who have nothing to offer but silly, childish remarks - Usenet is full of them. Thanks. b >> Can't get fuel from the injection pump to the injectors. Bled air from >> lines up to pump. [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > JW > Yes, it is turning or I would have said that it is not. To put it > succinctly, there is no fuel to the injectors. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > b If it was running when you pumped fuel to it but isn't now then you either have a bad pump with low pressure, or you didn't bleed the entire system. ANY air in a diesel will cause problems. Steve W. Please read and understand my previous posts. b >> Yes, it is turning or I would have said that it is not. To put it >> succinctly, there is no fuel to the injectors. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > have a bad pump with low pressure, or you didn't bleed the entire system. > ANY air in a diesel will cause problems. Well, you 'Sure' don't say you bled the airlocked injector lines.... Maybe it's 'you' who should grow up and learn how to use usenet eh? Mike > Steve W. > [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > have a bad pump with low pressure, or you didn't bleed the entire system. > > ANY air in a diesel will cause problems. Maybe so but we will see about that. Now, look, why can't SOME of you read and understand something? I never said that the lines were air-locked. You just pulled that out of the cosmos. b > Well, you 'Sure' don't say you bled the airlocked injector lines.... > [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] >> > system. >> > ANY air in a diesel will cause problems. LOL! If the pump and the lines to the tank were dry and we must figure they were because you had to bleed the tank line you say and no fuel is at the injectors, then it naturally follows that the rest of the system is dry.... I mean it sure don't take a rocket scientist for that one.... Here is your post: Can't get fuel from the injection pump to the injectors. Bled air from lines up to pump. Mike > Maybe so but we will see about that. > [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > >> > system. > >> > ANY air in a diesel will cause problems. Mike R. You really ought to quit as you continually lose ground. Tell you what, if you ever get out of the honky-tonks with your holey and stained undershirt, do a google (know what that is?) for the soup nazi. He is a guy in NYC that supremely insults his customers while they pay him money to eat his soup and insulting them. You must like it as you simply keep begging for it. Deductive reasoning when reading my posts or any, for that matter, is not your strong suit. You also drag others into your folly when you say "we". You also say "IF" as in 'if the lines to the tank were dry.......". Nope, sonny, quit before you go and show more of your inabilities. b > LOL! > [quoted text clipped - 58 lines] >> >> > system. >> >> > ANY air in a diesel will cause problems. What kind of a foole are you anyway? An entertaining one, that's for sure..... If the lines from the pump to the tank are dry and you had to prime the pump so it was also dry, then the rest of the freaking lines are dry too. The fuel just syphons back to the tank as the air was introduced or you used it all up when you ran out. You are not the first fool to run a diesel out of fuel so the injectors had to be bled you know, I have personally met a few over the years. Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590 (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > Mike R. > [quoted text clipped - 77 lines] > >> >> > system. > >> >> > ANY air in a diesel will cause problems. Mike, You are a prime, gold-plated example of a person who is so damned dumb that they don't have any idea of just how dumb they are. YOU MAKE ASSUMPTIONS AND DON'T READ WHAT I SAID OR YOU SCREW IT UP. Now, quit bothering me. You are clearly unable to help or follow the thread. b > What kind of a foole are you anyway? An entertaining one, that's for > sure..... [quoted text clipped - 103 lines] >> >> >> > system. >> >> >> > ANY air in a diesel will cause problems. LOL! Ok, sorry folks I am bored so I will feed the troll.... So far a total of 20 BS posts from him. 16 insulting the group or persons in the group. And let's see just 'what' he has to say in the other posts, eh: >Can't get fuel from the injection pump to the injectors. Bled air from >lines up to pump. One part of the circuit only... >To put it succinctly, there is no fuel to the injectors. sh.t like that happens when you run out of fuel and air lock the lines. >No, Noozer, there is no fuel in the tank. That is what caused the problem likely. It should also be the first thing to fix.... >My main question is how to bleed the air from the pump OR, getting the pump >to put out fuel to the injector lines. See above about air locks... >I can simply disregard all of this nattering and do it the conventional way. he still thinks there are shortcuts for fools that run out of fuel eh. >I was ASSUMING that after bleeding the two fuel filters, that I >could further pump fuel to the injector pump and BLEED IT without doing the >inj. lines just yet. That assumption sure has made an a.s out of him hasn't it. LOL! >Air is out of everthing but no fuel Now this is just 'too' funny. If the air is out of everything and there is no fuel, then Just 'What' is 'in' everything, A vacuum????? Or maybe he filled it with water?? You don't have to bother your pointy little head about replying to this, buffalo it is after all only troll bait. Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590 (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > Mike, > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Now, quit bothering me. You are clearly unable to help or follow the > thread. <snip troll babble> Mike, You really cannot grasp what is going on. There never was a tank but that doesn't matter to you in your fantasy land. I never ran the beast out of fuel but you go right ahead with your fantasies and disregard the facts. You are a real jerk. b > LOL! Ok, sorry folks I am bored so I will feed the troll.... > [quoted text clipped - 63 lines] >> > <snip troll babble> LOL! Let me get this latest bullshit right, there never was a fuel tank, but you didn't run it out of fuel. Are you feeding it methane from all the BS you are spouting? Mike > Mike, > [quoted text clipped - 75 lines] > >> > > <snip troll babble> Mike Romain, You have not gotten one thing right, why try to start now. You are still a low-class jerk. I said that I didn't run it out of fuel. Can't you understand simple English? Did you ever go to school? b > LOL! > [quoted text clipped - 89 lines] >> >> >> > <snip troll babble> > Maybe so but we will see about that. > > Now, look, why can't SOME of you read and understand something? I never > said that the lines were air-locked. You just pulled that out of the > cosmos. But he's right... they ARE air locked. As soon as you could be <insert melodramatic music> BOTHERED </melodrama> to post the actual symptoms, everyone and their dog figured it out immediately. "THEY" are NOT air-locked. Some of you just cannot or really refuse to get this. b >> Maybe so but we will see about that. >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > melodramatic music> BOTHERED </melodrama> to post the actual symptoms, > everyone and their dog figured it out immediately. > "THEY" are NOT air-locked. Some of you just cannot or really refuse to get > this. > > b You SAID that you bled the lines to the injection pump, ergo there WAS air near the injection pump and the potential for air getting into the pump. You ASKED specifically about bleeding the pump, ergo YOU obviously think there was/is air in the pump. IF there was air in the pump, there's a 99% chance that the lines to the injectors also have air bubbles in them. But since you seem to know everything, just fix it yourself. <Plonk!> >>>Maybe so but we will see about that. >>> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >>melodramatic music> BOTHERED </melodrama> to post the actual symptoms, >>everyone and their dog figured it out immediately. > Steve W. > > Please read and understand my previous posts. > > b I DID and YOU stated that YOU had bled the air out of the lines to the pump. > Can't get fuel from the injection pump to the > injectors. >>>>>Bled air from lines up to pump.<<<<< If you needed to bleed the line to the pump then you HAVE air in the system. In a diesel ANY air in the system will cause it to fail to run. If you cannot understand that then maybe you need some reading skills yourself! >>> Yes, it is turning or I would have said that it is not. To put it >>> succinctly, there is no fuel to the injectors. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >> have a bad pump with low pressure, or you didn't bleed the entire system. >> ANY air in a diesel will cause problems. SignatureSteve W. Near Cooperstown, New York "Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, BBQ in one hand, martini in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming: "WOO HOO what a ride!" NOW HEAR AND UNDERSTAND THIS: I have been working on this generator and had this and that off of it i.e, filters, lift pump, hoses, input/output fuel hoses and during the course of this, naturally, air gets into the system. Anyone that works on diesels understands that no air can be in the system although a little may be tolerated to the point of rough running. Air in the fuel circuit is a no-no. Now, run along and make up your own scenarios without asking for the facts. b >> Steve W. >> [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] >>> either have a bad pump with low pressure, or you didn't bleed the entire >>> system. ANY air in a diesel will cause problems. > NOW HEAR AND UNDERSTAND THIS: > > I have been working on this generator and had this and that off of it i.e, > filters, lift pump, hoses, input/output fuel hoses and during the course > of this, naturally, air gets into the system. In other words it ran until you started working on it...... I guess you better not quit your day job 'cause you suck at fixing things. Yes, you, too, can get my attention, Bob. You seem to need me to recognize that you exist. However, what you have proven is that you have no idea of what I can fix. You simply want something, anything, to try to get to me and come up with something that you have absolutely no way of knowing. This is the true mark of a 'parts-changer'. You have also proven that you are not mature enough to let this thread alone and go do something constructive or, that you enjoy. b >> NOW HEAR AND UNDERSTAND THIS: >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > In other words it ran until you started working on it...... I guess you > better not quit your day job 'cause you suck at fixing things. Also, Cyberzl1, is there a bleed port on this pump? I see a screw very near the mounting base and I removed that but have not had a chance to re-pressurize the system to see if fuel comes out of that screw hole. My main question is how to bleed the air from the pump OR, getting the pump to put out fuel to the injector lines. If I can get over that hurdle with this pump, the rest will be alright. Thanks es 73 b > Yes, it is turning or I would have said that it is not. To put it > succinctly, there is no fuel to the injectors. [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] >> >> JW > Also, Cyberzl1, is there a bleed port on this pump? I see a screw very near > the mounting base and I removed that but have not had a chance to [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > If I can get over that hurdle with this pump, the rest will be alright. I don't know why I am helping you, since your level of contempt for everyone is appalling... Not exactly sure what screw you are referring to. If it is perpindicular to the axis of the pump it is the timing sight hole for the pump. Typically the way I bleed out a diesel system(merely my method, I make no claims for it's true correctness) is as follows: 1) Prime the fuel pump. 2) Purge the fuel filter(s) by disconnecting supply line to injector pump. Pump till one gets a good stream of clean fuel with minimal air/sputtering. 3) Reconnect injector pump line and crack the connector at the pump. 4) Purge this line 5) Disconnect injector lines 6) Crank engine until fuel starts to come out of injector ports 7) Connect the injector lines 8) Loosen injector end of lines(unless your injectors have a bleed line) 9) Crank the engine and tighten injector lines as fuel begins to reach the injectors. At this point the engine may begin to start firing(maybe give it a shot of ether to give it a boost). The system won't be totally purged, but it will be "good enough". It will clear itself within 30sec or so of starting. You could try pressurizing your tank to push fuel too. An air nozzle and a rag will suffice. 30# of air pressure in a tank will give your fuel pump quite a boost. It works well for those tought to prime systems. How are your filters? What looks ok with no backpressure may not be enough pressure/flow in operation. Is your fuel pump weak? See above. JW Okay, Cyberzl1, I have no contempt for you. You say that I have contempt for everyone and certainly everyone would include you. Sigh. I know how to bleed a diesel. I do not know how to bleed this particular pump. This Onan has a lift fuel pump that feeds the two filters (primary and secondary). I can simply disregard all of this nattering and do it the conventional way. However, I was ASSUMING that after bleeding the two fuel filters, that I could further pump fuel to the injector pump and BLEED IT without doing the inj. lines just yet. Let's cut to the chase; as I said before, fuel is not coming out of the inj. pump under any conditions. Air is out of everthing but no fuel from the pump. I was assuming an air lock in the inj. pump. Digressing to the contempt. This place has a reputation of a number (NOTICE: NOT ALL) idiots on here who are completely unqualified to give advice. They are qualified to show their a.s. Are you a 'ham'? b >> Also, Cyberzl1, is there a bleed port on this pump? I see a screw very >> near [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] > > JW > Let's cut to the chase; as I said before, fuel is not coming out of the inj. > pump under any conditions. Air is out of everthing but no fuel from the > pump. I was assuming an air lock in the inj. pump. It really sounds to me like your inj. pump has problems. What is the history of the pump? Engine? Have you ever had it running, or is this a salvage project? I had a similar problem recently, and the pump turned out to be bad. I couldn't get the pump to prime, no matter what. Finally starting looking at it and the drive cam for the rack had broken(Rochester pump). That's why I asked if the pump was turning. Just because the drive gear is turning, doesn't mean that everything in the pump is turning. > Digressing to the contempt. This place has a reputation of a number > (NOTICE: NOT ALL) idiots on here who are completely unqualified to give > advice. They are qualified to show their a.s. But you still would have saved a day if you would have just stated your problem right up front. ANY advice you recieve via Usenet is worth what you paid for it. It's up to you to filter it. By giving everyone a hard time about their "qualifications" before even asking a real question is just being belligerent. It doesn't gain you anything. Ask the question. If you get a nonsense answer, then don't follow their advice. > Are you a 'ham'? Nope. But I do know several. I have just never found the time to get my license. Now even easier as their is no Morse req. Someday. Cyberzl1, I really think that my posts are not being read in their entirety. Early on, I said that it had run for ~15 seconds and then shut down. I have no history on any part of the unit other than it has a total of 500 hours. If this 'plug/screw' at the base of the pump is for looking inside for timing purposes, it is mighty small. Maybe there is a 'fixture' such as a pin that is to be inserted in order to time it? Now, to the contempt again: Usenet is full of wannabe this or that's. They are time wasters who love to shotgun or guess at a problem in order to look like they know what they are doing. Been there too many times and it usually comes to pass that the person is just barely qualified to turn on his computer. I really do like to help folks solve a problem. NOT TO LOOK GOOD, as is obvious, I could care less how I appear but, to help them get something going gives me a warm feeling. When I do this, I always state my qualifications up front so that they know that I have the knowledge and experience to help them and not just leading them down some path and they eventually find that I was shotgunning it. Also, although they would never admit it, there are many parts changers in this forum. You can tell that by their approaches to a 'fix' Re: hams. Personally, I hate it that they did away with the c.w. requirement. C.w. is a very pleasurable mode and too, it is a bit difficult to learn but that makes one value the license even more. The 'dumbing down' just continues. Back to the problem: Recall that I said that I THINK the pump is a Rossa/Stanadyne but I will be at the unit today and make sure. Have you ever rebuilt a pump? Thanks b. >> Let's cut to the chase; as I said before, fuel is not coming out of the >> inj. [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > Nope. But I do know several. I have just never found the time to get > my license. Now even easier as their is no Morse req. Someday. > Cyberzl1, > > I really think that my posts are not being read in their entirety. Early > on, I said that it had run for ~15 seconds and then shut down. You, sir/madam are a bald faced liar! Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590 (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) Mike Romain, You are just astounding. Even a whipped dog eventually realizes that they are beaten. Now, you call me a liar. Perhaps but, exactly what have I lied about. Now, make a fool of yourself once more. You must be so used to it that it really doesn't bother you anymore. You are in over your head, buster and don't know how to exit gracefully so, you just dig yourself in deeper. b >> Cyberzl1, >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590 > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) You never answered me, Mike Romain. Exactly what did I lie about? B >> Cyberzl1, >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590 > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) Are you 'really' that dense? I guess you must be seeing as you made this BS thread. It is quoted below foole. Nowhere in your past posts did you say you "had it running for ~15 seconds." That is a bald faced lie. Mike > You never answered me, Mike Romain. > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590 > > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) Yes, I did say that. However, there has been some posting problems and that may not have made it. Check around and you will see that has been common for the last..... However, genius, why is it that you missed this, which did get posted: .......it was running with the same flow to the pump as now .......? You know, Romain, if you do this type of work, it is a darned good thing that your customers don't read this group. Each and every time that you post, you step in your own drivel. You are just unbelievably wrong at every turn. b > Are you 'really' that dense? I guess you must be seeing as you made > this BS thread. [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] >> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590 >> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) Man you are 'really' too easy.... > Yes, I did say that. However, there has been some posting problems and that > may not have made it. Check around and you will see that has been common > for the last..... Bullshit! You screwed up there bud, that's all there is too it. Pretending you are a 'flashing 12' just don't cut it at this point. <Chuckle> > However, genius, why is it that you missed this, which did get posted: > .......it was running with the same flow > to the pump as now .......? Didn't miss that at all! That is one reason I figured you bled part of the circuit and forgot to let the air out of the injectors. Pretty normal for someone who doesn't really appreciate why an air locked diesel is a pain in the butt.... > You know, Romain, if you do this type of work, it is a darned good thing > that your customers don't read this group. Each and every time that you > post, you step in your own drivel. Right, try again Mr. Troll. Feeding the trolls can be entertaining sometimes.. > You are just unbelievably wrong at every turn. Wrong, I have had fun poking you for your sanctimonious BS. Thanks for the chuckle! Mike > b > [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > >> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590 > >> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) No 'bullshit' about it, kid. Check for yourself. You figured Hell! You can't even keep up with the thread much less look into your crystal ball and figure that I did this and figure that I did that. If you had kept up, you wouldn't have to guess at all but then, that is why you are a parts changer and nothing more. You don't have the intellect to systematically reduce a problem down to its logical conclusion based on symptoms and logic so, you GUESS. Again, just like you figured that I did or didn't do this. Hell, kid, why not just ask? b > Man you are 'really' too easy.... > [quoted text clipped - 64 lines] >> >> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590 >> >> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > I really think that my posts are not being read in their entirety. Early > on, I said that it had run for ~15 seconds and then shut down. When did you say this? I just searched the whole thread again, and never found this little tidbit. This doesn't really help a whole lot. Means you ran out of fuel. Big deal, we knew that already. > If this 'plug/screw' at the base of the pump is for looking inside for > timing purposes, it is mighty small. Maybe there is a 'fixture' such as a > pin that is to be inserted in order to time it? You weren't very specific, so I guessed. Either way, I don't think it is a bleed screw. Any bleeder would be near the top of the pump. Somewhere above the high pressure section of the pump. > Re: hams. Personally, I hate it that they did away with the c.w. > requirement. C.w. is a very pleasurable mode and too, it is a bit difficult > to learn but that makes one value the license even more. The 'dumbing > down' just continues. I agree. Disappointed they did away with that requirement as well. I once knew how, but have long since forgotten. > Back to the problem: Recall that I said that I THINK the pump is a > Rossa/Stanadyne but I will be at the unit today and make sure. > > Have you ever rebuilt a pump? Yes, but not a Rossa/Stanadyne. Bosch/Rochester bank style pumps. I don't have the equipment to do it now. Still know a few guys that do, but most are pretty much retired. Man, oh man! Cyberzl1, you or anyone else on here don't know zilch unless I told you. You say that you knew that I ran out of fuel. What is it with you guys? I never said that I ran out of fuel - NEVER. That is something that you either read from one the tin-foil brigade that imagines they see 'dead people' while I am seeing brain-dead people or you simply dreamed that one up. America is in real, bad trouble. The dumbing down process is almost complete. b >> I really think that my posts are not being read in their entirety. Early >> on, I said that it had run for ~15 seconds and then shut down. [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > don't have the equipment to do it now. Still know a few guys that do, > but most are pretty much retired. > You say that you knew that I ran out of fuel. What is it with you guys? I > never said that I ran out of fuel - NEVER. Umm. Then why didnt' it run. A diesel is pretty simple(in a basic sense). If you have fuel in the cylinder it will run. I didn't say your fuel tank was empty. But YOU yourself said that you were not getting fuel out of the injection pump. IN OTHER WORDS, you were out of fuel. Whether there was some in the rest of the system is pretty much irrelevent. >Not one of you except Cyberzl1 has really tried to help. Even Cyberzl1 is >uncomfortable talking with me as, I suppose, he is fearful of being >ostracized by the 'regulars' in here. Got nothing to do with that. I pretty much just think you are a jackass, but in spite of that, still felt like trying to help you. But since you have been so grateful for that, see if that ever happens again. Well, et tu, 'eh? Yes, you belong here, alright. As it becomes apparent that you can't follow this thread either. When you say that if you have fuel in the cylinder, it will run", is ASSUMING way too much. But, ASSumptions seem to be the norm here. I said that no fuel was coming from the injection pump, yes, that is true. However, to assume that the pump is out of fuel is beyond stupid. Yes, you started out okay on this thread but it slowly became apparent that you were just not keeping up with ALL of the information that was presented. Let me be clear here, you haven't helped. Now I know that hurts your feelings but the truth is is that you and I have discussed a few things but they did not lead to any solution in any way. Then, you began slipping and not retaining the information. No one is obligated to help anyone. Truthfully, I would not help me either. BUT ONLY IF I LOOKED AT MY POSTS ON THE SURFACE WITHOUT KNOWING WHAT HAS HAPPENED. I came here to bat some data around on a problem that I was having and asked if there were any diesel gurus here and all sorts of clowns slithered out of the depths. All sorts of totally unprofessional posts were made without so much as the posters knowing what the hell they were talking about. One said junk it, another asked if it was out of fuel and many other stupid remarks, all designed to get a 'rise' out of the regulars. Nope, no thank you, I will never post in here again and expect any sort of an intelligent and rational discussion to result from it. I may post here and try to help someone else, but from the posts that I have seen, there is not one person on here that could call themselves a qualified mechanic or automotive guru. I do suspect that there are those that are remaining silent, that ARE qualified but the idiots have created a cesspool and they don't want to sully themselves. Beam me up. b >> You say that you knew that I ran out of fuel. What is it with you guys? >> I [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > since you have been so grateful for that, see if that ever happens > again. > Well, et tu, 'eh? Look, buffalo.. All the people here are usually happy to help. Your initial approach was perceived as being rather hostile. I think that is what several were trying to tell you. And your posts got more and more hostile. The whole situation could have been avoided, and I sincerely wish it had. HLS, Yes, it could have been avoid but ONLY if I sat back and took the bullshit comments. If you truly can't see that by knowing the posts from the beginning, then, you are just like them. Just for fun though, which beginning posts did YOU find hostile? I am certain (sure) that you are open and forthcoming. b >> Well, et tu, 'eh? > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > The whole situation could have been avoided, and I sincerely wish it had. "buffalo" <jbleaux@gmail.com> wrote in message news:nIWph.13715 > Just for fun though, which beginning posts did YOU find hostile? I am > certain (sure) that you are open and forthcoming. Your very first post, where you took the position that most here were uneducated dumbasses, was hostile. I did not respond. I am a semiprofessional, hobbyist, mechanic, meaning that I have worked professionally in the past, but am only in it as a hobby now. I know a fair amount about diesel engines, but am certainly not a guru. Almost everyone here would be pleased to help. We are all enthusiasts, and some are more professional than others. People like Ian, Aarcuda, and Comboverfish are highly qualified and presently are employed in the field. And there are others as well. I have known these people for a long long time, and can say that they are quality folks. I have known Mike Romain online and have a considerable respect for him. Lets just let it subside. You have fixed your diesel, now, in whatever fashion. I would welcome you to contribute when possible, and lets let the animosity subside. HLS, I am a firm believer in that old saw that if you can't take the answer, don't ask the question. I certainly can take the answer and I want to thank you for your candor. Here we go, though; my very first post had nothing whatsoever suggesting that I thought most here were dumbasses. It didn't take me very long to find that they were or, those who posted were. If you think that my asking if there were any diesel wizards here was hostile, I just don't get it. How is someone supposed to know anything without asking? My assumption, although perhaps incorrect is that most here are gasoline engine types and that is why I asked about diesel types. Further, if you get around Usenet very much, you will understand that there are a plethora of 'wannabes' that will proffer a bunch of b.s. and waste the person's time trying to make themselves look good or appear as if they know something - anything. It is very common. All you have to do is to look around the newsgroups. As it turned out, since the above types started the b.s., I did waste time and I did become hostile but I surely was not in the beginning. I also note that your showering of accolades to a few here, reminds me of Aunt Gertrude or whomever, who swoons and titters about how Dr. Such and such is such a good and competent physician while all that she is basing this on is his nice bedside manner. Anyway, thanks for the input but I suggest that you carry some baggage if you think my very first post was hostile. b > "buffalo" <jbleaux@gmail.com> wrote in message news:nIWph.13715 >> Just for fun though, which beginning posts did YOU find hostile? I am [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > animosity > subside. "BUFFATROLL" wrote: If you can't take the answer, don't ask the question. My post didn't suggest that most here are dumbasses. It didn't take me long to find that they are. Usenet 'wannabes' proffer b.s. and waste time. If you think my first post was hostile I think you carry some baggage. I wasted my time and became hostile after the above types started the b.s. __________________________________________________________ Please. Give this person back the money he paid for the advice. Rodan. > If you think that my asking if there were any diesel wizards here was > hostile, I just don't get it. How is someone supposed to know > anything without asking? My assumption, although perhaps incorrect > is that most here are gasoline engine types and that is why I asked > about diesel types. You appear to know a lot about Usenet...or at least that's what you want us to think. In that case, you should already know that the best way to ask a question is to simply lay out all the facts, and then take a look at the answers and weed out the ones that aren't helpful or relevent. Instead...you start out by asking an almost unanswerable question....."who's a diesel guru". > Further, if you get around Usenet very much, you will understand > that there are a plethora of 'wannabes' that will proffer a bunch of > b.s. and waste the person's time trying to make themselves look good > or appear as if they know something - anything. It is very common. All > you have to do is to look around the newsgroups. See...you know the score. So what do you do? Come in and try to stir the sh.t up! You got what you deserved. Even the fellow that was "attempting" to help you thought better of it after awhile. But it did make for an interesting newsgroup diversion. I can only hope that more maggots like you will stumble into these newsgroups and provide some humour for us. It's often pretty boring in here. Ian I really do believe it is boring for you. What possible entertainment could you provide each other except for trying to impress each other and since, from what I have seen demonstrated, you can only impress your ignorance upon each other. How boring. b >> If you think that my asking if there were any diesel wizards here was >> hostile, I just don't get it. How is someone supposed to know [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > Ian > I really do believe it is boring for you. What possible entertainment > could you provide each other except for trying to impress each other > and since, from what I have seen demonstrated, you can only impress > your ignorance upon each other. How boring. (laugh)....damn you're good! Keep it up. We haven't had this much fun in months. Come on....give us another "zinger". Come on...I dare ya! Heh heh... Ian Aw, shoot, now you are embarrassing me. If you would simply take a bath, hitch a ride to town and see what the world has to offer, you would find that I am just an amateur. So, an amateur is what it takes to put you in shock and awe. b >> I really do believe it is boring for you. What possible entertainment >> could you provide each other except for trying to impress each other [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Ian > You appear to know a lot about Usenet...or at least that's what > you want us to think. In that case, you should already know that > the best way to ask a question is to simply lay out all the facts, > and then take a look at the answers and weed out the ones that > aren't helpful or relevent. Instead...you start out by asking an > almost unanswerable question....."who's a diesel guru". "Who here can fix my problem? Now mind you, I'm not going to TELL you the problem or even all the symptoms, I'm going to quiz you and dribble out one or two clues at a time and see how long you'll play." Do you ever get people that walk into your shop and play you that way face-to-face, Ian? I kinda doubt it, its a lot easier to be a belligerant jerk through the anonymity of a keyboard and internet connection. I have to say I'm kinda proud of the way this group as a whole responded. It would probably be even better if we'd just ignored the damnfool, but then he'd just have changed sock-puppet names and tried again (in fact, he already did post another more detailed genset engine question under a different name, and didn't get a SINGLE response). Which also tells me the damn thing STILL isn't running :-) Steve, Before I bullet each item that you posted as an absolute fabrication, I am going to give you the chance to edit your post below and tell it correctly instead of posting your fantasies. Who on here thinks he will run and wimp out on this challenge? b Man, are you guys liars. >> You appear to know a lot about Usenet...or at least that's what >> you want us to think. In that case, you should already know that [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > different name, and didn't get a SINGLE response). Which also tells me the > damn thing STILL isn't running :-) > Nope, no thank you, I will never post in here again Thank goodness. Run along now! > I may post here and try to help someone else. Please...no....don't bother....bye bye! Ian > Digressing to the contempt. This place has a reputation How the hell would YOU know? I haven't seen your name around here, but most of the ones you're ragging on (including me) have been here for 5, 8, 10+ years. Or maybe you're just the latest sock-puppet for one of our trolls? of a number > (NOTICE: NOT ALL) idiots on here who are completely unqualified to give > advice. They are qualified to show their a.s. It actually has a reputation for trolls who can't ask a simple question without showing THEIR a.s and turning a thread into a soap opera. MISTER, you just cannot think. You have no idea how long I have been here-as if that matters. You are so stupid, you don't realize that one can have many names, computers, lurk, etc. You must think that this place is yours .....BUZZ OFF and go beat your wife and molest your kids. b >> Digressing to the contempt. This place has a reputation > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > It actually has a reputation for trolls who can't ask a simple question > without showing THEIR a.s and turning a thread into a soap opera. > MISTER, you just cannot think. You have no idea how long I have been > here-as if that matters. You are so stupid, you don't realize that > one can have many names, computers, lurk, etc. > > You must think that this place is yours .....BUZZ OFF and go beat your > wife and molest your kids. And BINGO, we now have the tipical troll answer. So PLONK KB > b > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >> question without showing THEIR a.s and turning a thread into a soap >> opera. SignatureThunder Snake #9 "Protect" your rights or "lose" them. Uh-oh. Now we have a "bingo" dodo. Kid, that plonking business is to make yourself feel a tinge of power that you really don't have in real life. Could you possibly be so 'out there' that you think I or anyone else give a damn if you plonk me or anyone? Why prove yourself a fool by announcing that you can plonk? Why not be a real mature person and simply not read what you are not capable of understanding or dealing with? Now, run along. b >> MISTER, you just cannot think. You have no idea how long I have been >> here-as if that matters. You are so stupid, you don't realize that [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] >>> question without showing THEIR a.s and turning a thread into a soap >>> opera. Well, that's one part of the circuit.... What about the air from the pump to the injectors or the air in the pump? Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590 (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > Can't get fuel from the injection pump to the injectors. Bled air from > lines up to pump. [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > >>>>> OK I'll bite , what are the symptoms ? > >>>>> what make and model engine ? > Can't get fuel from the injection pump to the injectors. Bled air from > lines up to pump. > > b. Why dintcha just SAY so yesterday? Crack open a fitting at each injector and bleed the injector lines. If you have air bubbles in the injector lines, the pump's "shot" on each injection stroke is not enough to compress the bubble enough to force it out and into the cylinder when the cylinder is under compression. So the bubble just compresses and re-expands without actually going anywhere. Cracking the line open at the injector allows the injection pump to force the air out while working only against atmospheric pressure. Is there fuel in the tank? > Can't get fuel from the injection pump to the injectors. Bled air from > lines up to pump. [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] >>>>>> OK I'll bite , what are the symptoms ? >>>>>> what make and model engine ? No, Noozer, there is no fuel in the tank. Should there be? b > Is there fuel in the tank? > [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] >>>>>>> OK I'll bite , what are the symptoms ? >>>>>>> what make and model engine ? In article <4SXoh.9028$yx6.6600@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>, > I have a problem with a 4 cyl. diesel. Your subject line had me thinking that you are a diesel mechanic with a medical problem. Folks think weird things without much to go on. > In article > <4SXoh.9028$yx6.6600@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>, [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Your subject line had me thinking that you are a diesel mechanic > with a medical problem. In article <qf_oh.9092$yx6.6507@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>, > Folks think weird things without much to go on. I guess I'll shuffle off then... Why 'shuffle off'? Stay around for the circus and watch - already, we have a number of clowns. Btw, why did you think a medical condition was involved? b Seems like the only one here with any 'snap' is cyberzl1 That otto stir the gutter. > In article > <4SXoh.9028$yx6.6600@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>, [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Your subject line had me thinking that you are a diesel mechanic > with a medical problem. > Why 'shuffle off'? Stay around for the circus and watch - already, > we have a number of clowns. This is fun to watch. Why anyone on here would give you the time of day, or any advice is beyond me! Keep it up....we need some fun around this place. Ian > > Why 'shuffle off'? Stay around for the circus and watch - already, > > we have a number of clowns. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Ian Is the TPMS thing winding down? ;-) > Is the TPMS thing winding down? ;-) Very funny! Lol. Haven't had time to check responses..."if" any. Ian Hey, genius, I don't need the time of day. Besides, most on here, by what they have demonstrated, are not capable of telling time. They certainly are not a mature and educated lot. B >> Why 'shuffle off'? Stay around for the circus and watch - already, >> we have a number of clowns. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Ian In article <tzgph.12845$X72.7350@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net>, > Why 'shuffle off'? Stay around for the circus and watch - already, we have > a number of clowns. Ever heard the term 'shuffle off to Buffalo?' > Btw, why did you think a medical condition was involved? Because your subject line asks; "Any diesel -mechanic- gurus on here?" If you were asking for a diesel guru, he appropriate term would be; 'Any diesel gurus on here?' You guys are simply beyond hilarity. You, arrcuda deign to lecture me about my English and grammar yet, you don't know the meaning of 'term' nor, 'phrase'. You certainly cannot understand that it would be a waste using proper grammar in here. Hell, you don't even understand the words that you, yourself use. Asking for a 'diesel mechanic guru, -are you listening genius- is, in fact, proper. The general PHRASE that you suggest, could be construed to be a physicist, a chemist and so on. Folks, quit showing just how damned dumb and stupid that you really are. Ever heard the adage: "Better to be silent and thought a fool that to open your mouth and prove it?" b > In article > <tzgph.12845$X72.7350@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net>, [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > If you were asking for a diesel guru, he appropriate term would > be; 'Any diesel gurus on here?' In article <ZBEph.9902$yx6.3050@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>, > You guys are simply beyond hilarity. You, arrcuda deign to lecture me about > my English and grammar yet, you don't know the meaning of 'term' nor, > 'phrase'. Like the equally hilarious term or phrase "hot water heater?" > You certainly cannot understand that it would be a waste using proper > grammar in here. Hell, you don't even understand the words that you, > yourself use. I find it hard to believe that someone capable of time travel would have a problem with something as simple as a diesel engine. > Asking for a 'diesel mechanic guru, -are you listening genius- is, in fact, > proper. It would be if (for instance) one were shopping for a gift for a diesel mechanic and didn't know what to get him/her. > The general PHRASE that you suggest, could be construed to be a > physicist, a chemist and so on. Because repairing diesel engines is a little bit of physics, a little bit of chemistry. But you'd probably be better off seeking a psychiatrist instead of a physicist or chemist... > Folks, quit showing just how damned dumb and stupid that you really are. Well, the dumb and stupid ones aren't stuck with an engine that won't run. > Ever heard the adage: "Better to be silent and thought a fool that to open > your mouth and prove it?" Heard about it? Hell, you gave us front row seats to the Broadway show. To prove my point that no one keeps up: "Well, the dumb and stupid ones aren't stuck with an engine that won't run." I don't have an engine that won't run. I already took care of that but don't let facts get in your way. I find it funny that you and others just cannot quit trying to get the best 'jab'. However, keep it up, I will eventually tire of the parade. b > In article > <ZBEph.9902$yx6.3050@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>, [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > Heard about it? Hell, you gave us front row seats to the > Broadway show. In article <tKQph.10237$w91.197@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>, > To prove my point that no one keeps up: > "Well, the dumb and stupid ones aren't stuck with an engine that > won't run." > > I don't have an engine that won't run. Then what was the purpose of your original post? > I already took care of that but > don't let facts get in your way. Then what was the purpose of your original post? > I find it funny that you and others just cannot quit trying to get the best > 'jab'. I'm not trying to get the best jab, I'm trying to make sense of your situation. Again, what was the purpose of your original post? > However, keep it up, I will eventually tire of the parade. Try: rec.autos.tires aarcuda, I really think that this is beyond you. Go back to Bevis and Butthead. b > In article > <tKQph.10237$w91.197@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>, [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > Try: rec.autos.tires In article <nIWph.13716$X72.12147@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net>, > aarcuda, > > I really think that this is beyond you. Why wait until now to think? > Go back to Bevis and Butthead. Who? It tells much about you, aarcuda, that every post from you from the beginning of your posts, has been nothing but sarcasm. Not one helpful thing was said. Typical of this group's regulars. > In article > <nIWph.13716$X72.12147@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net>, [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Who? > It tells much about you, aarcuda, that every post from you from the > beginning of your posts, has been nothing but sarcasm. Not one helpful > thing was said. Typical of this group's regulars. and you *so* make me want to help you with your attitude. Signaturereplace "fly" with "com" to reply. http://home.comcast.net/~njnagel Nate, I don't want or need your help. Show me where I asked for it? b >> It tells much about you, aarcuda, that every post from you from the >> beginning of your posts, has been nothing but sarcasm. Not one helpful >> thing was said. Typical of this group's regulars. > > and you *so* make me want to help you with your attitude. In article <a5Xph.9297$pQ3.5398@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net>, > It tells much about you, aarcuda, that every post from you from the > beginning of your posts, has been nothing but sarcasm. Not one helpful > thing was said. Hard to be helpful if I can't tell whether you're having trouble with a diesel mechanic or a diesel generator. > Typical of this group's regulars. You've read the hundreds of thousands of posts archived in this newsgroup? aarcuda, It may take you a long time to pick up and study a red-hot horseshoe but, I can tell it is hot just by the glow. One does not have to read about each and every murder victim to know that Ted Bundy was a bad man. Although, I have been here for years and seen much stupid advice given, I do not have to read thousands of posts to know that a handful on here are just plain dumb though, they would never believe that about themselves. b > In article > <a5Xph.9297$pQ3.5398@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net>, [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > You've read the hundreds of thousands of posts archived in this > newsgroup? |
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