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How can I improve ride quality on a 2000 Explorer?

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Masospaghetti - 11 Jan 2007 18:34 GMT
Have a 2000 Explorer Sport with 98k miles on it. Replaced the shocks all
around with Monroe Reflexes, and while body movement is better
controlled the ride is still very harsh and uncomfortable.

Is there anything that would improve the ride on this vehicle, or trucks
in general?

Thanks
-J
C. E. White - 11 Jan 2007 18:42 GMT
> Have a 2000 Explorer Sport with 98k miles on it. Replaced the shocks all
> around with Monroe Reflexes, and while body movement is better controlled
> the ride is still very harsh and uncomfortable.
>
> Is there anything that would improve the ride on this vehicle, or trucks
> in general?

New tires, inflated per the vehicle manufacturer's requirements. Look for
tires that Tire Rack reviewers save have a good ride.

Ed
Masospaghetti - 12 Jan 2007 04:27 GMT
>> Have a 2000 Explorer Sport with 98k miles on it. Replaced the shocks all
>> around with Monroe Reflexes, and while body movement is better controlled
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> Ed

Is there anything else that can be done? The tires on the vehicle now
are almost new, inflated to 36 psi.

Would new springs, bushing kits, sway bar links, tower braces, or
anything help?

Thanks
-J
Noozer - 12 Jan 2007 04:54 GMT
>>> Have a 2000 Explorer Sport with 98k miles on it. Replaced the shocks all
>>> around with Monroe Reflexes, and while body movement is better
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> Is there anything else that can be done? The tires on the vehicle now are
> almost new, inflated to 36 psi.

36PSI is pretty high. The MAX PSI on the side of the tire is NOT the
pressure you want in the tires.

What does the users manual for the truck say? How about the label on the
door?
C. E. White - 12 Jan 2007 18:26 GMT
>>> Have a 2000 Explorer Sport with 98k miles on it. Replaced the shocks all
>>> around with Monroe Reflexes, and while body movement is better
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> Is there anything else that can be done? The tires on the vehicle now are
> almost new, inflated to 36 psi.

Why not try lowering the pressure to the correct pressure as listed on the
tire placard....

Ed
y_p_w - 12 Jan 2007 18:55 GMT
> > Is there anything else that can be done? The tires on the vehicle now are
> > almost new, inflated to 36 psi.
>
> Why not try lowering the pressure to the correct pressure as listed on the
> tire placard....

On a 2000 Explorer?  I know it's not supposed to be funny, but.....
y_p_w - 12 Jan 2007 19:00 GMT
> > > Is there anything else that can be done? The tires on the vehicle now are
> > > almost new, inflated to 36 psi.
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>
> On a 2000 Explorer?  I know it's not supposed to be funny, but.....

Really though - I thought it was supposed to be 30 PSI.  I think they
were recommending 26 PSI all the way up to the 2000 model year, then
they had the Firestone Wilderness tire debacle.  So I guess I'd say 30
PSI and check the pressure every couple of weeks.
C. E. White - 12 Jan 2007 19:04 GMT
>> > Is there anything else that can be done? The tires on the vehicle now
>> > are
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>
> On a 2000 Explorer?  I know it's not supposed to be funny, but.....

I assume the OP is not riding around on the sub-standard Firestone tires, so
setting the pressure at the correct level is the proper thing to do. For a
2000 Explorer I believe it is either 30 or 32 psi all around.

For all those that think the Explorer debacle wasn't due to the tires, go
check out the injury loss rating for Explorer from that era - it is much
lower than average and far better than other similar 4 door SUVs in its
class. The whole "Explorers are death traps" was a media event that had very
little basis in fact. I can't let Ford completely off the hook since they
were stupid enough to install Firestone tires in the first place, but once
those tires were on the junk heap where they belonged, the problems largely
disappeared. Unfortunately the press never bothers to go back and apologize
for bad reporting....

Ed
y_p_w - 12 Jan 2007 19:36 GMT
> I assume the OP is not riding around on the sub-standard Firestone tires, so
> setting the pressure at the correct level is the proper thing to do. For a
> 2000 Explorer I believe it is either 30 or 32 psi all around.

I thought 2000 was the last year they had the recommended 26 PSI.

> For all those that think the Explorer debacle wasn't due to the tires, go
> check out the injury loss rating for Explorer from that era - it is much
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> disappeared. Unfortunately the press never bothers to go back and apologize
> for bad reporting....

Certainly any vehicle with a high-mounted engine and high COG requires
a certain amount of respect for its different vehicle dynamics.

However - didn't the 2000 model still have a solid rear axle?  I
thought the independent read started with the 2002 model year.  It
was still pretty much truck like, and lower pressure did in fact give
a softer ride to compensate for the inherent harshness of the setup.
Most of the newer SUVs seem to be passenger car chassis based.
They're not terribly off-road capable, but so what?

Frankly - I do get the sense that a better tire than the Firestone
Wilderness would have been able to survive that 26 PSI recommended
pressure.  BTW - does anything in that size come with a nylon cap?
C. E. White - 12 Jan 2007 23:55 GMT
>> I assume the OP is not riding around on the sub-standard Firestone tires,
>> so
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> I thought 2000 was the last year they had the recommended 26 PSI.

The original recomended tire pressue depended on the tires installed on the
truck. It was 26 psi for the P235/75R15 optional tire size. After all the
bad press, Ford sent out sreplacement stickers that upped the recommendation
to 30 psi if you were running Firestone tires. Even at 26 psi, properly
constructed tires would have been able to safely support a properly loaded
Explorer with more than a 15% safety margin.  Don't forget, both Nisaan and
Toyota sold mid-sized SUVs that had the same pressure recommendation for
similar sized tires. And finally, even at the height of the phony crisis,
the accident rate for 4 door Explorers was lower than for Toyota 4Runers.

>> For all those that think the Explorer debacle wasn't due to the tires, go
>> check out the injury loss rating for Explorer from that era - it is much
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
> Wilderness would have been able to survive that 26 PSI recommended
> pressure.  BTW - does anything in that size come with a nylon cap?

In 1996 50% of the 4 door Explorers got Goodyear tires. They did not suffer
the same high failure rate as the Firestone tires.

Ed
Brent P - 13 Jan 2007 08:00 GMT
> Frankly - I do get the sense that a better tire than the Firestone
> Wilderness would have been able to survive that 26 PSI recommended
> pressure.  BTW - does anything in that size come with a nylon cap?

The problem was that people started at 26 psi and then let the tires drop
in pressure from there quite a bit.
Masospaghetti - 16 Jan 2007 01:34 GMT
>>>> Have a 2000 Explorer Sport with 98k miles on it. Replaced the shocks all
>>>> around with Monroe Reflexes, and while body movement is better
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>
> Ed

My mechanic recommended around 36 psi for this vehicle, saying that 26
psi is too low for a vehicle this heavy.

And 36 is nowhere near the maximum pressure. The max pressure is listed
as 50 psi.
C. E. White - 16 Jan 2007 16:05 GMT
>> Why not try lowering the pressure to the correct pressure as listed on
>> the tire placard....
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> My mechanic recommended around 36 psi for this vehicle, saying that 26 psi
> is too low for a vehicle this heavy.

With all due respect to your mechanic - he is an idiot. He needs to check
the load/inflation pressure tables for your tires. Even at 26 psi, the tires
are rated to carry a greater load than the vehicles axles. If you have the
original size and type of tires listed on the tire placard, then you should
go with the vehicle manufacturer's recommendation (as amended to 30 psi).
Adding a few extra psi is OK if you are going for a firmer ride, but adding
an extra 10 psi is ridiculous (assuming you have the OE size and type of
tire). The original 26 psi recommendation for Explorers with the optional
size tire was done for SAFETY reasons, not to improve the ride. Ford found
that with higher inflation pressures, the original style of Explorer reacted
to quickly to steering inputs and was relatively easy to get sideways when
making violent maneuvers, which could lead to a rollover. By dropping the
tire pressures to 26 psi, the response to steering inputs was dampened.
Unfortunately, Firestone sold Ford tires that were not up to industry
standards and had a tendency to fail dramatically. Raising the pressure to
30 psi reduced the heat build up and lessened the chances of a tire failure.
However, it didn't fix the tires, it just masked the defect. In 1996 half of
the Explorers got Goodyear tires. These tires had the same pressure
recommendation and there was no problem with dramatic failure (I actually
owned a 1996 Explorer with Goodyears - never had a problem). My Father had a
Ranger with the crappy Firestone tries (same as on an Explorer). Rangers had
a slightly higher pressure recommendation. In less than 15,000 miles, my
Father had 3 of the 4 OE Firestone tires fail. They did not have the belts
separate. In his case the tread literally split in the center. We drove the
truck on gravel roads regularly, and the tires were so crummy they couldn't
stand rock bruising.

> And 36 is nowhere near the maximum pressure. The max pressure is listed as
> 50 psi.

Do you have "P" series or "LT" series tires installed on your vehicle? If
they are "P"series extra load tires then the tires are not actually rated to
carry any more at 50 psi than at 36 psi. The higher pressure limit is
intended to allow for higher pressure recommendation by the vehicle
manufacturer for high speed driving.  If you are running "LT" tires, you are
doing something Ford specifically warns against. LT tires need to have
higher pressures to achieve the same load carrying capacity as "P" series
tires. This is because "LT" tires have thicker sidewalls and carcasses.
Because of the thicker sidewalls, "LT" tires suffer from greater heat build
up at high speed. The higher pressure is needed to reduce flexing and reduce
heat build up.

Ed
Masospaghetti - 17 Jan 2007 00:29 GMT
>>> Why not try lowering the pressure to the correct pressure as listed on
>>> the tire placard....
[quoted text clipped - 46 lines]
>
> Ed

>>> Why not try lowering the pressure to the correct pressure as listed on
>>> the tire placard....
[quoted text clipped - 46 lines]
>
> Ed

Just checked, my tires are indeed "LT". I'm assuming the LT tires are
better for off-road and severe use, but suffer from the problem you
mention above -- and I'm also guessing i'm sacrificing some fuel economy
because of these tires as well?

Thanks for the information. I bought this vehicle with these tires
installed and basically new.
J J - 12 Jan 2007 23:31 GMT
Its simple you should of never bought a truck and expected a good ride.
Its like the morons who buy SUVs and complain about the price of
gasoline.  The problem is your own stupid choice of vehicle.
Masospaghetti - 16 Jan 2007 01:33 GMT
> Its simple you should of never bought a truck and expected a good ride.
> Its like the morons who buy SUVs and complain about the price of
> gasoline.  The problem is your own stupid choice of vehicle.

Thanks for the advice, a.shole -- I didn't buy the explorer FOR the good
ride, I need it to tow a trailer -- however Im trying to make it as
comfortable as possible.
Nate Nagel - 16 Jan 2007 02:02 GMT
>> Its simple you should of never bought a truck and expected a good ride.
>> Its like the morons who buy SUVs and complain about the price of
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> ride, I need it to tow a trailer -- however Im trying to make it as
> comfortable as possible.

If you're towing a trailer, I'd not worry about comfort so much and
worry about stability instead.

nate

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HLS@nospam.nix - 16 Jan 2007 02:18 GMT
I need it to tow a trailer -- however Im trying to make it as
> comfortable as possible.

One of the best things I did to make my 3/4 ton Dodge custom van driveable
was to install
Bilstein shocks.  That plus antisway bars turned an evil handling bitch into
a rather comfortable
ride.

Dont know if the same would apply to you.
Masospaghetti - 16 Jan 2007 15:03 GMT
>  I need it to tow a trailer -- however Im trying to make it as
>> comfortable as possible.
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>
> Dont know if the same would apply to you.

Thanks for the reply.

What are "Antisway bars"? Is this the same thing as a sway bar?

I know my Ex already has sway bars front and rear, would getting heavier
duty ones help? (is this what you are referring to?)
* - 16 Jan 2007 22:37 GMT
Masospaghetti <no@mail.gatech.edu> wrote in article
<eoha1n$fek$1@news-int.gatech.edu>...
> > Its simple you should of never bought a truck and expected a good ride.
> > Its like the morons who buy SUVs and complain about the price of
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> ride, I need it to tow a trailer -- however Im trying to make it as
> comfortable as possible.

Here's a thought......

Why not buy a new Crown Victoria????

Then you can complain about its inability to handle the same load as the
Exploder  instead of the Exploder's inability to ride like a Crown
Vickie!!!!

You either run the Explorer for its load capacity and tolerate the unloaded
ride....

OR

You use the Crown Vickie for its ride, and tolerate its inability to handle
the load as it wallows down the road.

Any compromise is sure to decrease the load capacity of the
Exploder.....making it dangerous.....

....or change the ride characteristics of the Crown Vickie.....also making
it dangerous.

Better still....BUY BOTH!!!

Your problem is that you only have a hammer.....which makes every problem
look like a nail.
Masospaghetti - 17 Jan 2007 00:23 GMT
> Masospaghetti <no@mail.gatech.edu> wrote in article
> <eoha1n$fek$1@news-int.gatech.edu>...
[quoted text clipped - 32 lines]
> Your problem is that you only have a hammer.....which makes every problem
> look like a nail.

Look, i'm not expecting a magic carpet ride from this thing.

I'm just asking if there is a way to _improve_ the ride quality.
* - 17 Jan 2007 15:21 GMT
Masospaghetti <no@mail.gatech.edu> wrote in article
<eojqa8$9vn$1@news-int2.gatech.edu>...
> > Masospaghetti <no@mail.gatech.edu> wrote in article
> > <eoha1n$fek$1@news-int.gatech.edu>...
[quoted text clipped - 36 lines]
>
> I'm just asking if there is a way to _improve_ the ride quality.

.....and, I and others are saying,

"NO! Not without compromising its original design engineering and intended
purposes."

If you want somethinh capanle of towing a reasonable load, you buy the SUV.

If you want a comfortable ride, you buy the Crown Vickie.
sdlomi2 - 13 Jan 2007 12:22 GMT
>>> Have a 2000 Explorer Sport with 98k miles on it. Replaced the shocks all
>>> around with Monroe Reflexes, and while body movement is better
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> Thanks
> -J
   Even Ford tried to improve ride--to the extent of recommending, iirc, 28
psi.  DON'T DO THIS.  FORD WAS SUED COUNTLESS TIMES FOR THIS ERRONEOUS
ATTEMPT.  Be sure any shock is NOT a high performance one--Loses body-shift
control, however.  Use pressure on any low side of tolerance specified, if
any, but NOT as low as Ford's attempt above.  Have trim shop add a thickness
of foam under seat outer cover.  Next time, drive other brands and maybe buy
a GM? or Chrysler? or???  I'm afraid the poor ride is inherent to the
Explorer.  s
Rodan - 12 Jan 2007 07:22 GMT
"Masospaghetti"  wrote:      (2000 Explorer Sport  98k)

Replaced all shocks with Monroe Reflexes.    The body
movement is better controlled but the ride is still very
harsh and uncomfortable.     What could improve the
ride on this vehicle, or trucks in general?
_____________________________________________

Some possible ways:

1.)   Increase the unsprung weight ratio by carrying a
heavy load of sandbags, concrete blocks or scrap steel.

2.)  Increase the unsprung weight ratio by using lighter
tires/wheels/shocks/springs/calipers/axles/brakes.

3.)  Use the lowest recommended tire pressure.

4.)  Lower the spring rate by removing some spring
leaves or by installing softer springs (add spacers to
restore body height.)

Good luck.

Rodan.
midgetracing28 - 13 Jan 2007 11:12 GMT
the easy way - throw a few hundred pounds of anything in the vehicle.
the smart way - trade off the explorer and get something other than a
suv
the hard way- replace the springs with soft ride springs

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* - 13 Jan 2007 14:31 GMT
Masospaghetti <no@mail.gatech.edu> wrote in article
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> Have a 2000 Explorer Sport with 98k miles on it. Replaced the shocks all
> around with Monroe Reflexes, and while body movement is better
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> Thanks
> -J

Jack up the radiator cap and drive a Crown Vickie under it.

Most real SUVs are, basically, trucks.

The one's based on passenger car platforms are simply four-wheel-drive
cars.
 
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