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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / Maintenance and Repair / February 2007

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Smart car... Remove passenger seat?

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Noozer - 16 Jan 2007 14:43 GMT
Just wondering how difficult it is to remove and install the passenger seat
in a Smart car... If done right, it could be very handy to be able to snap
it in and out given the limited space in one of these cars.
Noozer - 29 Jan 2007 03:07 GMT
> Just wondering how difficult it is to remove and install the passenger
> seat in a Smart car... If done right, it could be very handy to be able to
> snap it in and out given the limited space in one of these cars.

Anyone?
HLS@nospam.nix - 29 Jan 2007 14:06 GMT
> > Just wondering how difficult it is to remove and install the passenger
> > seat in a Smart car... If done right, it could be very handy to be able to
> > snap it in and out given the limited space in one of these cars.
>
> Anyone?

I think most of us have too little hands on experience with these little
cars to
be able to answer.  One would hope and expect the seats would be ultralight
to allow for easy removal.

I have only had two cars with intentionally removal seats.   One was an 83
SAAB.
The SAAB was easy because the seat unclipped easily and was light.
Tegger - 29 Jan 2007 15:27 GMT
>> Just wondering how difficult it is to remove and install the
>> passenger seat in a Smart car... If done right, it could be very
>> handy to be able to snap it in and out given the limited space in one
>> of these cars.
>
> Anyone?

Not meaning to be a smartass, but it seems to me something like this would
be easily discernible with the aid of a strong flashlight and a bit of
time.

Most seats I've seen are held in place with just four bolts, with maybe one
or two electrical connectors needing to be unplugged.

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Noozer - 30 Jan 2007 05:58 GMT
>>> Just wondering how difficult it is to remove and install the
>>> passenger seat in a Smart car... If done right, it could be very
>>> handy to be able to snap it in and out given the limited space in one
>>> of these cars.
>>
>> Anyone?

> Not meaning to be a smartass, but it seems to me something like this would
> be easily discernible with the aid of a strong flashlight and a bit of
> time.

IF I happened to have one of these cars, or was at a dealership.

It sounds like a very logical feature to have, but I've never seen mention
of it. I was just hoping there was a SmartCar owner in the group here.
Tegger - 30 Jan 2007 11:41 GMT
>>>> Just wondering how difficult it is to remove and install the
>>>> passenger seat in a Smart car... If done right, it could be very
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> mention of it. I was just hoping there was a SmartCar owner in the
> group here.

I guess you'll have to call the dealership and ask. This is one of those
features, that, if present, would be well-known to the salesmen.

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Paul Hovnanian P.E. - 01 Feb 2007 04:00 GMT
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> I guess you'll have to call the dealership and ask. This is one of those
> features, that, if present, would be well-known to the salesmen.

Better for the OP to ask the service department. They might even let you
take a peek at the shop manual.

But do be careful when removing the seat. The car might tip over. ;-)

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John S. - 01 Feb 2007 15:07 GMT
> [snip]
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> Better for the OP to ask the service department. They might even let you
> take a peek at the shop manual.

I did a little poking around and can't find many dealers in the USA,
so there are presumably fewer service departments that might have a
shop manuals .  Zap World does have a website though so maybe an email
could get a copy.  Come to think of it the company that does the
safety and emissions conversions would hopefully have one.

> But do be careful when removing the seat. The car might tip over. ;-)

Weight imbalance might make it look like it is perpetually turning
right...

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cuhulin@webtv.net - 01 Feb 2007 18:54 GMT
If it was my car, (I could be mistaken about this) and if I had reason
to remove a seat.I would disconnect the battery and eyeball how the seat
is fastened down.
cuhulin
John S. - 01 Feb 2007 19:56 GMT
On Feb 1, 1:54 pm, cuhu...@webtv.net wrote:
> If it was my car, (I could be mistaken about this) and if I had reason
> to remove a seat.I would disconnect the battery and eyeball how the seat
> is fastened down.
> cuhulin

On newer cars you need to worry about interconnects withthe airbag,
etc.
Comboverfish - 30 Jan 2007 12:08 GMT
> >>> Just wondering how difficult it is to remove and install the
> >>> passenger seat in a Smart car... If done right, it could be very
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> It sounds like a very logical feature to have, but I've never seen mention
> of it. I was just hoping there was a SmartCar owner in the group here.

I own a StupidCar (TM) but I'll throw in 2 cents.  If this
hypothetical seat has a side airbag built in - and possibly an
occupancy detection system, I would exercise caution in removing it.  
Minimum procedure would be to disconnect battery for x seconds (see
service manual) then remove seat.  Expect an airbag light and codes
unless the manufacturer was thoughful enough to include simulation
connectors and to price the car high enough to cover the ensuing
lawsuits.  This is all assuming it was designed for US roads as I know
nothing of safety requirements outside of the US.  This is also
assuming that so-called smart cars would be allowed on US roads.  Just
food for thought from a lazy, stupid American (TM).

Toyota MDT in MO
aarcuda69062 - 30 Jan 2007 14:01 GMT
In article
<1170158907.308864.320290@h3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,

> This is also
> assuming that so-called smart cars would be allowed on US roads.  

One of the exotic used car dealers here has one, so I guess they
can be imported and used on the roads.  Local paper did a story
on it a while back...
John S. - 30 Jan 2007 18:06 GMT
> In article
> <1170158907.308864.320...@h3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> can be imported and used on the roads.  Local paper did a story
> on it a while back...

I've seen a few in parking lots here in the USA and they are tiny for
a car priced at around $20k.   I've seen a lot of them in europe.

I'm trying to sort out how these cars are imported.  At one point
Smart Car USA was importing the Smart Car and Zap World was the
distributor and they were lining up dealers and apparently selling
cars. According to a 2004 MSNBC article Zap paid $10mil for exclusive
rights to distribute the car.

Fast forward 2 years.  In a 2006 Business Week article United Auto
Group was been named by Mercedes Benz as the importer.  Their website
shows no Zap dealerships yet.

So do we have two distribution channels for the same car and two
warranties?  I don't know.
cuhulin@webtv.net - 30 Jan 2007 18:24 GMT
I am so fat nowdays,I can't even hardly get behind the steering wheel of
my 1948 Willys Jeep.One night at Tan Son Nhut in 1964,(I wasen't so fat
back then) I ''borrowed'' a Ford MUTT Jeep one night to go to Saigon to
see my Vietnamese girlfriend.On the way back to Tan Son Nhut,I nearly
got side swiped by a big old 1940's/1950's Citroen car cutting way too
wide around that corner.I can still ''see'' that old French car now!
cuhulin
Noozer - 30 Jan 2007 17:40 GMT
>> > Not meaning to be a smartass, but it seems to me something like this
>> > would
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> assuming that so-called smart cars would be allowed on US roads.  Just
> food for thought from a lazy, stupid American (TM).

Actually, they should be starting to sell them in the US next year (late
this year?) but with a gasoline engine instead of the diesel we have here.

The wife loves them. I can see owning one IF this "half car" cost about half
of a normal car (well, a bit of an exaggeration).

They're just too expensive for the market their targetted at.
 
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