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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / Maintenance and Repair / January 20071997 Chevy Silverado
I have a 1997 Chevy Silveradoo with a 5.7 litre engine. Recently it has started to miss badly when in idle. I had it scoped of which the computer stated that at first cylinders 5 and 7 were missing....less than a minute later 5 and 7 were firing again but cylinder 4 was now missing...then it was neither 5,7, or 4, but only 3 missing. I have recently changed all spark plugs and wires less than 60 000km with orignal OEM parts (AC Delco). Also, it is becoming harder to start with the first turn of the key. I suspect the fuel pump, but was wondering if anyone else has had similar symptoms before. Thanks for your input into the matter. > I have a 1997 Chevy Silveradoo with a 5.7 litre engine. Recently it has > started to miss badly when in idle. I had it scoped of which the [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > if anyone else has had similar symptoms before. Thanks for your input > into the matter. It's good to hear that you used OE tuneup parts. I'm going to suggest two more: AC Delco cap and rotor. Your engine has a funky distributor cap that I can only assume was designed using the 'style over substance' method. You will notice that the plug wires exit the cap neatly to the left and right sides, unlike on conventional caps where each wire is equally spaced around the diameter of the cap. Cool, huh? The problem is that to make the cap look like that, most of the cap's spark plug wire terminals aren't anywhere near where the rotor "fires" their respective cylinders. If you inspect the top of the cap you will see the molded-in routing that dictates which terminal is fed by which clock position on the distributor. The real damning evidence here is that cylinder 5's plug wire enters right where the cylinder 7 terminal is inside the cap. It's the same for the cylinder 4 wire and cylinder 3 terminal. Now you can see why an ignition crossfire is so likely, and it is also likely that something like this would be intermittant, setting the misfire codes in no particular order. The 4/3 combination is *really* close on the cap, as is the 7/2. There are many problem areas where ignition crossfire is facilitated on this cap, so you could conceivably see more misfire codes in the future. Try the cap and rotor for ~$50US and see if that takes care of it. Toyota MDT in MO Thanks, but there is no Cap....it is individual coil packs for each cylinder. I'm quite certain now it is the fuel pump. > > I have a 1997 Chevy Silveradoo with a 5.7 litre engine. Recently it has > > started to miss badly when in idle. I had it scoped of which the [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > Toyota MDT in MO In article <1169417532.816139.69390@q2g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, > > > I have a 1997 Chevy Silveradoo with a 5.7 litre engine. Recently it has > > > started to miss badly when in idle. I had it scoped of which the [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > Thanks, but there is no Cap....it is individual coil packs for each > cylinder. I'm quite certain now it is the fuel pump. Then it is not a 1997 Silverado with a 5.7. > In article > <1169417532.816139.69390@q2g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > > Then it is not a 1997 Silverado with a 5.7. Geez, you ever get the feeling you just wasted 200+ words? Is a 5.7 litre different in Canada than a US 5.7 liter? Hmmm... Toyota MDT in MO please stop wasting my time yank. > > In article > > <1169417532.816139.69390@q2g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] > > Toyota MDT in MO General top posted: > please stop wasting my time yank. I will in no way impede you from f.cking yourself. Good luck with the simple problem you can't figure out. Toyota MDT in MO > > > In article > > > <1169417532.816139.69390@q2g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] > > > > Toyota MDT in MO Well....first and foremost the 1997 5.7 has a cap and rotor. Why the heck did I mention coil packs...I don't know. My response of "don't waste my time yank...was uncalled for...but my only excuse is that I have been stressed out over this and have a number of idiots up here in Thundra land telling me the bloddy thing runs on coil packs....IT DOESN'T ....it runs on cap and rotor as mention by yourself and AARCUDA in both replies. Your statement of going to f.ck myself over this simple problem...well your right on 50%...I am f.cking myself...but it is not a simple problem. At least not to this stupid Canadian - the stupid Canadain being myself and not the idiots that swore to me it is a coil pack. I did change the cap and rotor... to no avail. Missing still bad while in idle. next I will change the plugs once again....but I dont beleive it is the problem either. I should have it scanned again after I change the plugs.....I have no idea anymore...engine has 300 000 km....thats about 200 000 plus miles. I'm hoping that it might be an emmisson sensor problem.....but at this point ....it is really becoming a boat anchor. Once again...my apoligies as I continue to f.ck myself over this problem...you were right about it runnig on a cap and rotor.....but unfortunatly...that is not the root cause of this simple problem. > General top posted: > > please stop wasting my time yank. [quoted text clipped - 54 lines] > > > > > > Toyota MDT in MO >I did change the cap and rotor... to no avail. Missing still bad while >in idle. next I will change the plugs once again....but I dont beleive [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >sensor problem.....but at this point ....it is really becoming a boat >anchor. So what does a timing light tell you? --scott  Signature"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." > Well....first and foremost > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > problem...you were right about it runnig on a cap and rotor.....but > unfortunatly...that is not the root cause of this simple problem. Stuck CPI injector poppets (nozzles) are a common problem after a hot soak on the Vortec. Some people try injector cleaner, but it's unlikely to work if the poppets are currently stuck closed. Some have had success with (regulated) compressed nitrogen in the fuel rail, then operating the 8 fuel solenoids with a Tech2. I have not done this but it sounds like the easiest, best method given that you have the equipment. Toyota MDT in MO In article <1169573657.370607.27640@d71g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, > Stuck CPI injector poppets (nozzles) are a common problem after a hot > soak on the Vortec. Some people try injector cleaner, but it's [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Toyota MDT in MO Good call on the stuck poppets. Shame on me, I've been using compressed air. 100% success rate though... (just ask my brother in law who's too cheap to use a bottle of Techron a couple of times a year.) Is it possible that you run by me the routine for compressed stuck injectors? I should also mention that it has been an extremly cold week here....temperature dropped below -40C which is the same as -40F. Truck was left outside plugged in (oil/block heater) on overnight. It seemed that after the first night of this unbearable cold...it started it's miss in idle. I'm thinking that perhaps this extrem cold weather might have froze the injectors shut. I dont have nitrogen avaiable...but compressed air might do the trick. Sincerly...f.cked and stuck on the missing problem. > In article > <1169573657.370607.27640@d71g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > (just ask my brother in law who's too cheap to use a bottle of > Techron a couple of times a year.) Hey Neil, Do you have a homemade adaptor for the schrader valve, or ? What kind of PSI gets the job done without being dangerous? Which scanner do you bidirectional the solenoids with, or ? Thanks for your time, Toyota MDT in MO In article <1169590637.841553.35170@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com>, > Hey Neil, > > Do you have a homemade adaptor for the schrader valve, or ? I made an adaptor out of 3/8" steel line to fit the fuel line connection (O-ring) either at the back side of the intake manifold or at the fuel filter, the Mastercool flaring tool: http://www.sjdiscounttools.com/mas71300.html makes the GM O-ring fitting, the nut is available thru Edelmann as part number 109600: http://plews-edelmann.com/brochure.cfm?brochure=1861&location_id=2 516 > What kind > of PSI gets the job done without being dangerous? 100-120 PSI > Which scanner do you > bidirectional the solenoids with, or ? I use my OTC injector balance tool: http://www.sjdiscounttools.com/otc3398.html Gonna see if the AE can command injectors on next time a Vortec comes in... This is all done with the engine off, if you block the throttle plate open, you can actually hear when the poppet un-sticks by the sound. > Thanks for your time, Watch your e-mail. > I use my OTC injector balance tool: > http://www.sjdiscounttools.com/otc3398.html I'm kind of surprised that you got one of these, but with all of the various drivability issues you tackle it has no doubt paid for itself in convenience. > Gonna see if the AE can command injectors on next time a Vortec > comes in... I can't imagine Jay would leave that function out. > This is all done with the engine off... Unless your engine runs on air, then by all means, let it run :) > Watch your e-mail. You got it. Toyota MDT in MO In article <1169615097.560582.184940@k78g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, > > I use my OTC injector balance tool: > > http://www.sjdiscounttools.com/otc3398.html > > I'm kind of surprised that you got one of these, but with all of the > various drivability issues you tackle it has no doubt paid for itself > in convenience. Indeed. I've had it since the late 80s and it sure has come in handy. > > Gonna see if the AE can command injectors on next time a Vortec > > comes in... > > I can't imagine Jay would leave that function out. Did you buy AE yet? > > This is all done with the engine off... > > Unless your engine runs on air, then by all means, let it run :) I mainly mentioned that for the benefit of the OP. > > Watch your e-mail. > > You got it. > > Toyota MDT in MO > Did you buy AE yet? Nope. Tempted, but the lure of a Mastertech (in the works) and a trade up for a Solus for adequate CAN generic coverage has put AE on the back burner. I really don't want to use a laptop at work and I don't want to plop down additional $$ on a Palm at this point. The Solus deal actually works out to less than AE if you figure in my Snapon MDT credits through Toyota and the fact that I need to unload my POS MTG2500 anyway. I've heard that AE's coverage of Toyota is one of it's weaker points. I'll take Snappy's marginal but reliable coverage in a shop-friendly design over spotty coverage on a Palm. I think Jay is focusing on stuff the Snapy doesn't do at all like Prius or hybrid in general, and coverage of many of the non-engine modules. Like I said it's just to spotty to rely on now. So a Mastertech for Toyota only and a Solus for all others seems to be in the future. How would you rate Toyota coverage so far? Any glaring glitches like freezing up during active tests or ?? > > > This is all done with the engine off... > > > > Unless your engine runs on air, then by all means, let it run :) > > I mainly mentioned that for the benefit of the OP. I think he would figure it out right quick :) BTW, check your email... I wrote all I done know about the question you posed. > Well....first and foremost > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > problem...you were right about it runnig on a cap and rotor.....but > unfortunatly...that is not the root cause of this simple problem. I should also mention that you should check fuel pressure. Typical fuel pressure is between 54 and 60 psi on that engine. Anything less than low 50's will not open the poppets reliably, and cause a no start or poor run condition. Toyota MDT in MO > please stop wasting my time yank. I, for one, do not understand why Comboverfish's comprehensive response--obviously laborously created to help one specific person out of his plight--called for or deserved such an insulting reply. His responses have pretty much all been unselfish sharing of real-world experiences, not mere quotes from repair manuals or highly theoretical guesses. He even admitted having been 'off the mark' about his analysis of an unusual vehicle when he said, "Geez, you ever get the feeling you just wasted 200+ words?"--obviously a self-deprecating remark and an apparent apology. Please continue offering your expertise, C-Fish, as many of us benefit from and appreciate your ideas. s > Please continue offering your expertise, C-Fish, as many of us benefit > from and appreciate your ideas. s I agree, SD. Comboverfish is a professional and a highly knowledgeable contributor to this site, as are several others, and I would hate to see them get fed up with this sort of response. <H...@nospam.nix> wrote: > > Please continue offering your expertise, C-Fish, as many of us benefit > > from and appreciate your ideas. s [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > as are several others, and I would hate to see them get fed up with this > sort of response. Thanks, H. Now I'm blushing... :) Toyota MDT in MO > <H...@nospam.nix> wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Thanks, H. Now I'm blushing... Please ignore the vomitous expellations of the anti-American Kommunist Kanadians. Anti-Americanism is Canada's national sport. You'd have to live up here to understand the insanity. If you didn't see and hear it first-hand (every day), you wouldn't (couldn't) believe its pervasiveness, fury, idiocy, and banality. Canada is America Lite: Tastes great, but not nearly the same thing. And don't the Canadians know this. And don't they resent the disconnect, with a passion! SignatureTegger > > please stop wasting my time yank. > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Please continue offering your expertise, C-Fish, as many of us benefit > from and appreciate your ideas. s Very kind of you to reply in this manner, Sdlomi2. I appreciate your contribution to this group as well. I actually meant that the OP wasted my time by posting incorrect vehicle info, or not enough info to give a "correct" answer. If he really had a 1997 Chevy Silverado with 5.7, and I don't care what trim level, Suburban or truck, short bed, long bed, whatever, then he would have the Vortec with a distributor -- no coilpacks. His description of which pairs of cylinders were misfiring was a classic case of cap crossfiring based on the design of that tried and untrue cap design. Of course I had to find a picture of one online to verify which cylinder pairs were most suspect... Neil even replied that the OP must have a distributor if it is a 97 5.7. He lives up north and knows a thing or two about Canadian spec vehicles, so I figure his to be a well considered reply given the OP is somewhere in Canada (apparently). Now if the OP had a different engine or some aftermarket ignition system (not likely) it still should have been mentioned. Enough soapboxing, I just heard the bell ring.... The decision... TKO! I'll take it... :) Toyota MDT in MO Sure it is. Perhaps it is different up here. > In article > <1169417532.816139.69390@q2g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > > Then it is not a 1997 Silverado with a 5.7. Don't know answer to question, but my '97 K1500 with 5.7 doesn't have coil packs. > In article > <1169417532.816139.69390@q2g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > > Then it is not a 1997 Silverado with a 5.7. "General" <m_tragic@yahoo.com> wrote in news:1169341266.793872.106090 @s34g2000cwa.googlegroups.com: > I have a 1997 Chevy Silveradoo with a 5.7 litre engine. Recently it has > started to miss badly when in idle. I had it scoped of which the [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > if anyone else has had similar symptoms before. Thanks for your input > into the matter. 97 /5.7 L/coil over plug?......not here in the land of plenty. now up there in the frozen tundra they may have built some bastardized 97 but down here it wasnt until late 99 when they switched to the 5.3 design......since you do have coil over plug ign. you should know...*coils fail intermittently*. yep. all the time.......i see it more in ford than gm but ive replaced many of single fire coils in the new trucks also. if you truley suspect the fuel pump a simple guage will tell you if pressure is not adequate when symptoms appear. if you decide to replace pump make sure you get one made in USA. those french pumps only work part of the time and surrender under pressure! |
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