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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / Maintenance and Repair / January 2007

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88 Nissan Sentra Heater issue

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David - 21 Jan 2007 06:07 GMT
Hello, I have  a 1988 Nissan Sentra that I bought about 4 months ago.
It has A/C and during the summer, it was great....nice and cool. Now
that it's winter, it's a whole different story. The heater blows air
but with no heat what-so-ever. Basically, it's the same as the fan just
turned on with-out the A/C button switched on.

The strange thing is that the heater core doesn't seem to be bad. The
car doesn't loose coolant. I check the coolant every other week and
don't think I'ver ever had to add any anti-freeze. With the engine at
operating tempature I can grip the hoses that go to and from the heater
core, they are never hot. I've thought about changing the thermostat,
but if the thermostat were bad wouldn't the car over-heat? If the
heater core was bad, wouldn't the engine lose coolant?

Can anyone please help?
Helpmelearn - 21 Jan 2007 06:29 GMT
Give me a e-mail and I'll send what I have on your heater...

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David - 21 Jan 2007 07:00 GMT
My e-mail is dor@writeme.com
Steve B. - 21 Jan 2007 13:15 GMT
>Hello, I have  a 1988 Nissan Sentra that I bought about 4 months ago.
>It has A/C and during the summer, it was great....nice and cool. Now
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>Can anyone please help?

When you are feeling the hoses to see if they are hot also feel the
hoses going to the radiator to see if they are hot.  Thermostats can
fail open so that the engine never gets up to temperature.

If the engine is hot but the heater hoses are cold then we know no
water is circulating through the heater core.  Some cars had a valve
in line with the heater core that turned off the hot water when it
wasn't needed.  Does your car have one (not a trick question, I'm just
not familiar with this model)

If you don't have flow and there is no valve or the valve is working
properly then the heater core is plugged up.  I have had good luck
cleaning them out by disconnecting both hoses then using a garden hose
to backflush the heater core.  Amazing how much crap will come out of
there.  Be forewarned that if you have a heater core that is on the
verge of springing a leak the waterhose flush could push it over the
edge.

If you aren't able to flush the heater core well enough to restore
heat then you would need to replace it.

               Steve B.
David - 21 Jan 2007 16:43 GMT
Steve B.,

Thank you for your response. I think I once also felt the radiator
hoses and they were hot. I'll check them again today. As for a valve
that shuts of the hot water, I do not know if this model has one. I'm
going to the local auto parts and check a manual. If the manual doesn't
mention such a valve, I'm planning on doing three things today if
necessary. (1) I'm going to remove the thermostat and see if that will
get the heater core's hoses to get hot & hopefully get the heater core
to blow hot air. If it does I'll put a new thermostat in. (2) If after
that no heat comes out I'm going to do your garden hose trick to see if
it's plugged. (4) If it un-plugs the heater coer but also blows it out,
I'm just going to bypass it as I have no hot air as it is and on
Autozone.com the heater core is $399.99!!!!!

Once again, thank you.

David
David - 23 Jan 2007 00:38 GMT
Update on the situation. I removed the thermostat housing and
discovered that the car didn't have thermostat. I bought a 180 degree
thermostat, installed it and the car came up to tempature much quicker.
However, the heater still won't blow hot air. I can still feel the
heater hoses and one (the lower one) is luke warm and the other one
(the higher one) is completely cold. Since I don't have to add
anti-freeze and there are no leaks, I'm going to assume that the heater
core is plugged up.

My next plan is to un-plug it by connecting a garden hose to the higher
heater hose  (disconnecting the lower hose of course) and seeing if any
junk comes out of it. This was suggested by Steve B.  Does anyoone have
any other thoughts on another way of un-plugging it???

Chris, to answer your question, the gauge does get off of the cold mark
(even before I installed the thermostat). I't may help that I live in
Southern California. However, last night I had to go to south San Diego
near Tijuana, Mexico and it was 46 degrees at 9:30 PM...which to me was
freezing.
Helpmelearn - 23 Jan 2007 00:58 GMT
Sounds like a air pocket or plugged htr core. the hose trick works
excellent and I have also had luck with the product CLR used for
cleaning bathrooms, but it works exceelnt on heater and rad cores. try
running it up to temp without a rad cap and see if there is air
bleeding off

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Scott Dorsey - 23 Jan 2007 14:11 GMT
>Update on the situation. I removed the thermostat housing and
>discovered that the car didn't have thermostat. I bought a 180 degree
>thermostat, installed it and the car came up to tempature much quicker.

This is good.  Odds are you'll see better mileage with the thermostat in
there, too.

>However, the heater still won't blow hot air. I can still feel the
>heater hoses and one (the lower one) is luke warm and the other one
>(the higher one) is completely cold. Since I don't have to add
>anti-freeze and there are no leaks, I'm going to assume that the heater
>core is plugged up.

Either the heater core is plugged up, or the valve that allows water
through it is not opening.  The valve might be worth checking right off
if it's easy to get to, but on some vehicles it is a nightmare.

>My next plan is to un-plug it by connecting a garden hose to the higher
>heater hose  (disconnecting the lower hose of course) and seeing if any
>junk comes out of it. This was suggested by Steve B.  Does anyoone have
>any other thoughts on another way of un-plugging it???

This is a good thing to do.  Another possibility is to run a radiator
flush through the system.  This will clean out a lot of gunk, BUT if
the flow through the heater is completely blocked it won't get in there
at all.  Also, of course, if your heater core and radiator are held together
with corrosion (like on many old cars), running the flush through it will
make them leak.  On the other hand, then you know they are overdue for
replacement.
--scott
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David - 28 Jan 2007 17:27 GMT
Update.

Yesterday I tried the garden hose solution and....it worked!!!! First
I disconnected the bottom heater core hose at the heater core and the
upper heater core hose at the back of the thermostat/distributer
housing. Very little water came out. I put a funnel on the top heater
hose and poured CLR through it. It cam out of the bottom exit of the
heater core just about as fast as I poured it in. Next I connected the
garden hose to the top hose of the heater core using a garden hose
repair coupler. It urned it on and clear water came out of the other
end. Here comes the interseting part: I then reconnected the bottom
hose of the heater core at the core and removed it from the other end.
I connected the garden hose to it (the bottom heater core hose) and
turned on the water. The garden hose loaded up and very little dirty
water came out of the top hose of the heater core. So I turned up the
water on the garden hose to it's limit and placed my thumb over the
exit of the top heater core hose. I let preasure build up and I
removed my thumb. Water would spurt out and return to a a very small
flow. However, after doing it over and over again about five times, it
seemed like a cork popped out and  the water started shooting out full
blast. Nice clear water. I then hooked up both heater core hoses,
turned on the car, let it reach operating tempature, and...... some
heat! Just a little. However, when I drove the car the heat became
much stronger.

I next want to do a full coolant system flush. I imagine there must be
all sorts of junk in th system. Can anyone suggest the best way to do
a flush?
Hal - 21 Jan 2007 16:43 GMT
> don't think I'ver ever had to add any anti-freeze. With the engine at
> operating tempature I can grip the hoses that go to and from the heater
> core, they are never hot. I've thought about changing the thermostat,

Obviously the heater core isn't doing it's job in terms of getting hot.
With a car at the age yours is, it could be that the heater core is
plugged up due to infrequent maintenance, or it could be a thermostat
stuck open. Do either of the radiator hoses get hot? How about your
temp gauge, does it move off of the cold mark?

Chris
 
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