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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / Maintenance and Repair / January 2007

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90 Beretta - rough idle - bad gas?

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Ray - 25 Jan 2007 14:31 GMT
Car: 1990 Beretta 3.1/AT.  240,000km.
Is now my designated winter commuter.
Runs fine.
Well, was running fine, now mostly runs fine.

The last couple of days at idle it's been running on and off rough like
a vacuum leak or plug wire or something like that.  At light throttle
openings it also "bogs" and surges like a badly adjusted carb would.
Stab the throttle, and it goes as good as a 17 year old V6 can.  No
check engine light, and nothing obviously disconnected under the hood.
(a couple of months ago the vacuum line by the TB popped out and gave a
2000rpm idle...)

Suggestions on what to check first?  I was thinking maybe I just got a
tank of bad gas - I did run it almost empty last time.  Also, about
three weeks ago the battery went dead because I left the interior light
on overnight - but if that was going to give me any issues while the
computer did a relearn, wouldn't that have been two weeks ago?

FWIW, virtually all the emissions stuff is ORIGINAL except plugs, wires
and filters.  Original fuel injectors, all sensors are original except
the 02 sensor.  Heck, I don't even know if this thing has a MAP or a MAF
or an IAC or what... never had to touch it.

And of course, this morning it drove to work just fine.
Maybe I just had to blow the carbon off the plugs?  :)

Ray
KjunRaven - 26 Jan 2007 00:11 GMT
Ray <ray@nospam.example.com> wrote in news:4b3uh.696$W73.206
@newsfe22.lga:

> Car: 1990 Beretta 3.1/AT.  240,000km.
> Is now my designated winter commuter.
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>
> Ray

here is my exp. with like vehicle...88.beretta gt/2.8.wifes car bought
new in 88...........first couple of years all is fine. then started
bucking and farting at intermittant times but never with me. no CEL, no
stored codes. came to my attention that a TSB was published with same
symptoms and required different PROM that negated MAF signal and turned
it into air density program (MAF sensor was left in place as it supplied
IAT signal also)...all is fine again for another year. pretty much the
same symptoms returned including no CEL. ended up being the processor
this time, reused the PROM.......dont know if this will help any but
thats what i remember of the car......as you know fuel pressure and
failing coils or ign. module can give some really intermittant probs also
and with OBD1 their is no way for the ECM to tell you about
it.........good luck, kjun
Ray - 26 Jan 2007 19:01 GMT
> here is my exp. with like vehicle...88.beretta gt/2.8.wifes car bought
> new in 88...........first couple of years all is fine. then started
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> and with OBD1 their is no way for the ECM to tell you about
> it.........good luck, kjun

Thanks.  Problem went away for now... and with it being 17 years old I'm
not about to start messing around with it if it doesn't need it.  It's
due for new plugs anyway... think I did the fuel filter last summer -
have to check my records. :)
anumber1 - 26 Jan 2007 01:50 GMT
> Car: 1990 Beretta 3.1/AT.  240,000km.
> Is now my designated winter commuter.
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>
> Ray
My 91 Lumina with a 3.1 would do this when it wanted a new PCV valve. I
think it (the PCV valve) would get sticky and leak when it should have
been closing/metering.

That car is really sensitive to plug wires too...

Al G.
Ray - 26 Jan 2007 19:03 GMT
> My 91 Lumina with a 3.1 would do this when it wanted a new PCV valve. I
> think it (the PCV valve) would get sticky and leak when it should have
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>
> Al G.

thanks.  Another quick and simple thing to check... and test - maybe I
can replicate it.

Ray
scott21230@gmail.com - 31 Jan 2007 15:11 GMT
Clean the MAF
Clean the throddle body
Check for vacuum leaks.  Use a MityVac and check everything that uses
vacuum as well.
Clean the EGR tube

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