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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / Maintenance and Repair / January 2007

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Fouled Pugs

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Timbit Two - 27 Jan 2007 14:53 GMT
1997 5.7 Chev...with three fouled plugs. Changed rotor, cap, wires,
plugs ( all OEM). OBD II reads running rich left bank, running right
bank and missing on three cylinders. Intake Manifold is present and
good, not burning oil, or antifreeze.

Run extremly rough in idle and becoming extremly hard to start. Fuel
pressure was check and ran between 55 and 60 psi. Driving me
nuts....hoping someone on here has had the same problm or seen the
same problem on ths engine

HELP!
Don - 27 Jan 2007 16:27 GMT
>1997 5.7 Chev...with three fouled plugs. Changed rotor, cap, wires,
>plugs ( all OEM).

That won't fix the flooding problem.

>OBD II reads running rich left bank, running right
>bank and missing on three cylinders. Intake Manifold is present and
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>nuts....hoping someone on here has had the same problm or seen the
>same problem on ths engine

Many times!  "Spider" central fuel injector assembly is blown causing
severe flooding.  You can replace the whole thing or possibly just the
leaking regulator.  It is under the tthrottle body and upper intake
manifold.

Don
www.donsautomotive.com

>HELP!
Timbit Two - 27 Jan 2007 16:44 GMT
Really? Please run by me what to do next...replace the fuel
regulator?

> >1997 5.7 Chev...with three fouled plugs. Changed rotor, cap, wires,
> >plugs ( all OEM).That won't fix the flooding problem.
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aarcuda69062 - 27 Jan 2007 17:47 GMT
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> Really? Please run by me what to do next...replace the fuel
> regulator?

The fuel pressure regulator is mounted to the side of the main
injector body inside the upper plenum.
To replace the regulator, you need to remove the upper plenum
(plastic), the regulator is clipped to the injector main body, be
aware of the O-rings and screens that are underneath the
regulator.

if you plan to keep the truck, it may be wiser to preemptively
replace the entire injector assembly with the new updated
"mini-injector" that is available thru:
http://www.lindertech.com/reconinj.htm
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Timbit Two - 28 Jan 2007 02:00 GMT
That was it exactly! Where were you a week ago! Thanks many....leaking
fuel regulator....any other items I should be concerned about at this
point?

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> "mini-injector" that is available thru:http://www.lindertech.com/reconinj.htm
> (scroll down)
aarcuda69062 - 28 Jan 2007 15:27 GMT
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> That was it exactly!

Thank Don, he offered up the first correct diagnosis.

> Where were you a week ago!

Right here watching you argue that your 97 had coil packs. ;-)
Had you bothered to pull the plugs that were miss firing and
inform us that they were fuel fouled, you'd have saved a bunch of
time.  Your original post mentioned that the engine had been
"scoped," even a half assed technician should have been able to
discern fuel fouled plugs from the burn line of the scope pattern.

> Thanks many....leaking
> fuel regulator....any other items I should be concerned about at this
> point?

As I advised in my last post, the injector assembly has been
updated to a better design that isn't as prone to sticking and
causing miss fire.
I'd also monitor the catalytic convertor on that side for failure
due to the now known over fueling condition.
Timbit Two - 29 Jan 2007 19:59 GMT
Thanks...but that comment of thanks was intended for the Don in
Texas......he knows his trucks. But thanks for taking his thanks.
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> I'd also monitor the catalytic convertor on that side for failure
> due to the now known over fueling condition.
aarcuda69062 - 29 Jan 2007 21:25 GMT
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> Thanks...but that comment of thanks was intended for the Don in
> Texas......he knows his trucks. But thanks for taking his thanks.

1) You posted a reply to my post in the thread.
2) As I acknowledged, Don had the first correct reply.
3) Learn to use your news client, read attributes, etc.

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> > I'd also monitor the catalytic convertor on that side for failure
> > due to the now known over fueling condition.
Comboverfish - 29 Jan 2007 23:11 GMT
> 1) You posted a reply to my post in the thread.
> 2) As I acknowledged, Don had the first correct reply.
> 3) Learn to use your news client, read attributes, etc.

Do you think 3) will ever happen?

Anyway, have you used the improved Linder CPI unit yet?  I was
wondering if it has serviceable injector/nozzles or regulator...

Toyota MDT in MO
aarcuda69062 - 30 Jan 2007 00:53 GMT
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> > 1) You posted a reply to my post in the thread.
> > 2) As I acknowledged, Don had the first correct reply.
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> Anyway, have you used the improved Linder CPI unit yet?  

I've installed a few.

> I was  wondering if it has serviceable injector/nozzles or regulator...

Haven't had any come back needing service.  No poppet to stick so
that leaves electrical and/or mechanical failure similar to any
other injector, AFAIK, the injectors are replaceable separately,
though I'd defer to what Doug says...

Have you ever sat in on one of Jim Linders seminars?
Comboverfish - 30 Jan 2007 11:17 GMT
> Have you ever sat in on one of Jim Linders seminars?

No.  I know of Jim but I'm not sure who Doug is.  I guess these
seminars are worth the money, huh?

So, is your 02 Corolla customer going to get help from Toyota on the
oil burning issue?

Toyota MDT in MO
aarcuda69062 - 30 Jan 2007 13:58 GMT
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> > Have you ever sat in on one of Jim Linders seminars?
>
> No.  I know of Jim but I'm not sure who Doug is.

Doug is the #1 injector guy there, it's who you'd have talked to
before they got big and started hiring more help.

> I guess these
> seminars are worth the money, huh?

Absolutely.  Jim Linder is a very funny guy, he has good stories
which keeps it interesting.  I haven't been to the Guru school
but he's been up here (Milwaukee) as a guest speaker.

> So, is your 02 Corolla customer going to get help from Toyota on the
> oil burning issue?

Prizm.  Chevy said too bad, out of warranty.  
Customer opted to try his own fix of soaking the rings with
Marvel Mystery Oil for a few days.  I'm not much of a believer in
mechanic in a can, so we'll see...
Comboverfish - 30 Jan 2007 16:09 GMT
> > So, is your 02 Corolla customer going to get help from Toyota on the
> > oil burning issue?Prizm.  Chevy said too bad, out of warranty.  
> Customer opted to try his own fix of soaking the rings with
> Marvel Mystery Oil for a few days.  I'm not much of a believer in
> mechanic in a can, so we'll see...

That's because you haven't tried "Mechanic In A Bottle".  It's
different, and here's why... Tiny mechanics are deployed into your
engine's oil galleries, bearings, sump, pump, journals, etc.  They are
equipped with tiny mics, snap gauges, vernier calipers, plastigauge,
etc. with which they use to measure all critical bearing surfaces.  
Then they remove burrs and add babbit where needed.  Finally a PTFE
additive is mixed to an exacting ratio with your existing oil (no
change needed) which increases your engine's lifespan to 9.9999X10^15
years or 9.9999X10^15 miles, whichever comes last.

Toyota MDT in MO
cuhulin@webtv.net - 30 Jan 2007 20:41 GMT
Autolite AP64's are the best for my old raggity 1978 Dodge van.I once
tried a new set of those Splitfire (or whatever they call them?) spark
plugs about fifteen years ago.The first few miles out,one of them
stopped working,cold dead in the water.I put one of my old spark plugs
back in.About three days later,another one of those Splitfires quit
working.I stick with Autolites now.
cuhulin
Timbit Two - 30 Jan 2007 13:30 GMT
You need a vacation...try Cuba.
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Comboverfish - 30 Jan 2007 13:49 GMT
On Jan 30, 7:30 am, "Timbit Two" <m_tra...@yahoo.com> top posted like
an idiot:
> You need a vacation...try Cuba.

Wow, you got your answer and now it's back to jackass mode.  What a
surprise.  What's your excuse this time?  Go ahead and change names
again the next time you have a simple repair problem you can't figure
out.  See if you get any help here.  Oh, and disregard the helpful
preventative advice offered too.  Jackasses usually do.

Toyota MDT in MO

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aarcuda69062 - 30 Jan 2007 13:50 GMT
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> You need a vacation...

Will me taking a vacation improve your reading skills?

> try Cuba.

Too dry.
Timbit Two - 30 Jan 2007 14:39 GMT
We can keep going on  dude...I got all the time in the world
now...thanks to your input. Remember that.
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>
> > You need a vacation...Will me taking a vacation improve your reading skills?
>
> > try Cuba.Too dry.
 
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