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donc314@hotmail.com - 04 Feb 2007 02:57 GMT
A friend was just ripped off in a manner that was eerily similar to
some thing
that happened to me years ago. I wish I had warned her. I hope this
post can
save you from the same thing happening to you.

THE AAMCO TRANSMISSION SCAM

AAMCO transmission repair shops are famous for dishonest activies.
They run two basic  scams.

The first is to lure you into the shop for a "free" or low cost
diagnostic, take your transmission apart then demand thousands of
dollars to "repair it". The second is the bait and switch. You agree
to have a repair done for a set price. They take your transmission
apart then demand that you authorize more expensive repairs before
they will put it back together. Many shops also stick to the old tried
and true cons of charging you for work you don't need or work not
done.

These are very simple yet effective scams that AAMCO shops have been
successfully operating for years.  They tried to get me back in the
70s. I am amazed that they are still getting away with this
practice.

Here is my experience. I had a week's vacation planned. It is worth
mentioning that the transmission operated great up to this time. On
the way to the lake of the Ozarks the shift cable on my old Chrysler
broke. The car was able to run but you could not shift it. Luckily I
was near the home of some family members. Unfortunately I had never
changed a shift cable and had no tools with me. A AAMCO shop was a few
blocks away. I took the car to them and explained that I was on
vacation and needed the car right away. I made it very clear that I
only wanted the cable replaced because I wanted to get back on the
road.

The AAMCO shop was very neat and the people acted very professional.
There were no obvious indications that I had anything to worry about.
A guy in a clean white shirt did all the talking. I assumed that he
was the boss. He insisted that they "inspect" the transmission while
it was there because it was an old car and they were concerned that I
might have trouble on the road. I made it clear once again that I just
wanted the cable replaced because I was in a hurry and short on money.
I did not want any more work performed. I also told them that if they
didn't want to do the work I specified I would be glad to take it
somewhere else. They assured me that they would only do work that was
authorized.

I did not have to ask for a work order. They gave me one. It basically
said that they would inspect the transmission. I asked them to add the
cable repair to the document. They hand wrote cable on the work order.
I asked when they would be finished and they said a few hours since I
was traveling.  I left very pleased that they were willing to get my
car on the road so quickly.

A couple of hours latter I called and they said that I needed to come
to the shop because they had found a problem. When I arrived they took
me into the service center. They had pulled the transmission and
disassembled it. My transmission was in  pieces on a work bench.I was
given an "estimate" of a  thousand odd dollars (remember that this is
in 1976 dollars). I was pissed. Even with the transmission completely
torn down I could not get a firm price. Right then and there I knew
what they were pulling. They told me that I needed a complete rebuild
because the bands were worn out and the transmission was ready to fail
any time. The big selling point was the warranty.. I insisted that
they reassemble the transmission, put it back into the car and install
the cable it needed. They refused saying that I needed a repairs and
it would be unethical to install a bad transmission in my car. I took
a close look at the bands and they looked good to me. I have rebuilt a
couple of transmissions and I knew this one was OK. I asked if they
had measured the thickness to see if they were in spec. I was told
that because the fluid was brown the bands were worn out. The fluid
was in good shape, red not brown. I tried to talk to the mechanic but
he just looked really embarrassed and said I had to talk to the boss.

We argued for a while and no one would give. I was told that the
"manager" would have to OK rigging up and installing a bad
transmission in my car. I said "I thought you were the manager".Mr
white shirt said he was not the manager. I was told that the manger
would be in tomorrow which was a Saturday.

I left.

I started calling Saturday morning. No manager.

They were closed Sunday.

Monday I started calling again. No manager

Tuesday, no manager. So I went down again. No luck. They refused to
reinstall the transmission. By now I was ballistic. My vacation was
ruined and it looked like I was screwed. I was more or less a refugee
staying at a in-laws house. They were offering to loan me the money to
have the work done and probably convinced that I had a screw loose
because I didn't just pay-up leave.
I spent the rest of the day calling everybody I could think of. BBB
etc. Basically I could file a written complaint and sooner or later
something might happen.

Wednesday and Thursday no luck. At this point. I was considering
physical assault. On Friday I called the local police. This was before
the days of 911 so you could actually talk to a policeman. My in laws
knew one of the local police and I explained what was going on. He was
aware of the scams these guys pulled. They had apparently established
a bad reputation in the area. Two cops went to AAMCO with me and
basically told Mr White shirt that if my car was not put back in the
condition as received I could file fraud charges. They also made it
very clear that the police department would make a very good effort to
investigate the complaint. The AAMCO guy agreed to put my car back
together. I was told I could pick it up on Tuesday.

I missed work on Monday. I also missed work on Tuesday. I picked the
car up on Tuesday.
It's worth mentioning that they tried to get me to pay a bill of
several hundred dollars for putting my transmission together and
reinstalling it. The bill included a few bucks for gaskets the rest
was for labor.  I literally told them to get f.cked. When they refused
to give up the car I told them I would be glad to come back with the
police. I got my keys. I never did get to meet the mystery manager.

I limped to a car parts store. Bought the cable. I installed the
cable in the car parts parking lot In about 45 minutes. The
transmission operated fine for the next two years that I owned the old
beater.

Think I'm alone? Check out a few hundred other complaints: http://
www.consumeraffairs.com/automotive/aamco.htm

http://www.ripoffreport.com/results.asp?q1=ALL&q5=aamco&submit2=Search%21&q4=&q6
=&q3=&q2=&q7=&searchtype=0


These are just a couple of places. Do a search and you will find
hundreds of other complaints about AAMCO.

A Free AAMCO inspection: $700

A $2000 AAMCO rebuild: $3000

A clear head shot at Mr Whiteshirt with no witnesses around:
priceless!

1. From Wikipedia: AAMCO is an American-based transmission-repair
franchise founded by Robert Morgan and Anthony A. Martino (for whom
the acronym AAMCO was named) in 1963 in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.
Martino eventually left to manage the MAACO autobody franchise, but
Morgan stayed on with his son, Keith Morgan, succeeding him as CEO.
There are now 700 AAMCO stores in the US and Canada.
Ashton Crusher - 04 Feb 2007 04:16 GMT
>A friend was just ripped off in a manner that was eerily similar to
>some thing
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>AAMCO transmission repair shops are famous for dishonest activies.
>They run two basic  scams.

Yup, I've heard that story many times.  A friend of mine has a 1972
TransAm.  Sometime in the 80's he needed the transmission rebuilt.  He
had it done at AAMCO and paid their high price.  It's got a lifetime
guarantee.  He doesn't drive the car anymore, he's just keeping it
"forever" but at least once a year he drives it to AAMCO for their
required yearly inspection.  If it every does go out again they will
be rebuilding it for free.
Search4Lancer - 05 Feb 2007 20:29 GMT
Watch out for that Scott's Transmission, too.... I knew exactly what
was wrong - hydraulics crapped out. I ended up with a new slave
cylinder (which was to be expected), master cylinder, clutch, and who
knows what else. To top it all off, he busted my ignition and got the
key stuck in it - and did nothing about it.

It's been about a month and a half now, and harder to shift every day
- too bloody cold out to check the fluid, though (14 w/ -6 chill,
brr!). But hey, at least the truck hasn't been stolen yet!
clifto - 05 Feb 2007 22:29 GMT
>>A friend was just ripped off in a manner that was eerily similar to
>>some thing
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> required yearly inspection.  If it every does go out again they will
> be rebuilding it for free.

You hope. Years ago a friend made the mistake of having his van's
transmission rebuilt at an AAMCO franchise. It cost considerably more
than I believe the current average price was for such work. He paid
the bill and about three days later the transmission went out totally.
He towed it back to them for repair under the warranty; they kept it
several days and then demanded hundreds of dollars more for repairs.

He came one night with an extra set of keys and "accepted" the car.
They never tried taking any action because they knew their actions
couldn't stand scrutiny in legal venues.

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Daniel - 04 Feb 2007 15:14 GMT
> A friend was just ripped off in a manner that was eerily similar to
> some thing
> that happened to me years ago.
========
Same thing happened to my son a number years ago with an air cooled
VW.
By the time I was called in the transmission was disassembled and the
"inspection fee" was more than the cost of a good serviceable used
transaxle.
After they put it back together, it only shifted into 3 of the 4
forward gears. Their answer:"you have the 3 speed transmission." I
knew the shift linkage was incorrectly adjusted and could be repaired.
The clutch was also incorrectly adjusted for freeplay. On this type of
VW there is a thumbscrew so you can adjust the clutch in moments. They
managed to turn the screw the wrong way and increased rather than
decreasing free play. We just left. Later I noticed that shop had
closed.
HLS@nospam.nix - 04 Feb 2007 15:58 GMT
> > A friend was just ripped off in a manner that was eerily similar to
> > some thing
> > that happened to me years ago.

What is really surprising is that people keep going to this, and similar
franchises, since we have all known their reputation for years.

The greater public doesnt seem to get the message.

The OP was smart in having everything down in written form so
that he had some legal recourse.
Scott Dorsey - 04 Feb 2007 16:21 GMT
>> > A friend was just ripped off in a manner that was eerily similar to
>> > some thing
>> > that happened to me years ago.
>
>What is really surprising is that people keep going to this, and similar
>franchises, since we have all known their reputation for years.

Well, the thing is, I have known local AAMCO franchisees that were good,
and did good work, and didn't seem to engage in this kind of behaviour.

I have also known some that were total frauds.

The reason you join a franchise in part is because of the reputation of
the franchise; being a member of the franchise means their advertising
and their reputation becomes yours.  But if the franchise owners do not
police their franchisees, and they allow this kind of crap to happen,
the franchise reputation develops a negative worth.

>The greater public doesnt seem to get the message.

In a lot of case, there are no other alternatives.  There are places
with no local transmission shops out there, and sadly there are more and
more such places all the time.

>The OP was smart in having everything down in written form so
>that he had some legal recourse.

That's always important.  Note that the OP could actually have sued for
lost time and probably won, too.  He surely should at least have written
a letter about the incident to the franchise.
--scott
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cuhulin@webtv.net - 04 Feb 2007 17:26 GMT
About six years ago I took my van to a local Mr.Transmission shop to
have the automatic transmission repaired.So far,I am still satisfied
with their work.
cuhulin
Brent P - 04 Feb 2007 17:26 GMT
> What is really surprising is that people keep going to this, and similar
> franchises, since we have all known their reputation for years.

> The greater public doesnt seem to get the message.

Because there are so many people and each one has a transmission failure
rarely. Most people don't read much of anything about cars and would
never know.
bajazza@yahoo.com - 04 Feb 2007 17:32 GMT
AAMCO sux a.s, to be sure..so does (or did) Lee Myles. I don't know if
they even exist anymore. Bottom line where transmission work is
concerned, go to a local non-franchised shop. I know that was
impossible with th OP, but avoid any of those franchised guys at any
cost. I've had exactly 1 bad experience with AAMCO and will *never*
deal with those cocksmokers again, and furthermore, will continue to
spread the word.
While we're on the subject, and Midas is the all time winner when it
comes to ripping off the public. I recently went to my local Midas to
get my emmissions done (required by my state yearly) While I'm waiting
in the waiting room, a woman comes in to check on her car that she had
left earlier that morning. The 'manager' had said she would not be
allowed to take the car home for fear of liability reasons. This was
brake related. The car was a newer, probably 3 years old Honda
Accord , very well kept and to me, looked very well maintained. This
was not some bomb that someone had driven in to get fixed. She had
stated that she just wanted the sqealing sound checked out from the
front end and the manager tried to sell her a 500.00 brake job PLUS an
entire front steering rack ass'y for 1400.00. Upon hearing this the
woman got very upset, called her husband and proceded to explain how
they would not let her take her own car home. 10 minutes later, this
f.cking HUGE gorilla-like knuckle dragging shaved ape bursts thru the
door and demands to see the manager. From there they all went out into
the bay and very loudly discussed it. He jumps in the wifes car, backs
it out and squealed away, wife jumos in his car and did the same.
Kudos to them! No bloodshed, no threats (that I heard) and they ended
up double-f.cking Midas! Oh, by the way, I passed emmisions, but they
wanted to sell me a 16.99 pint of dry gas "so I'd be sure to pass next
years emession" . I told them kepp it and left.
Fricken incredible!
Jay
HLS@nospam.nix - 04 Feb 2007 19:31 GMT
> > What is really surprising is that people keep going to this, and similar
> > franchises, since we have all known their reputation for years.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> rarely. Most people don't read much of anything about cars and would
> never know.

To some extent, I agree with you, Brent.  It is typical of people to buy a
new car,
neglect service on tranny and other parts, and then trade to a new one in
3-5 years,
leaving the new owner with a potential problem.

It has been my experience that, once you have over 100,000 on an automatic,
you are on borrowed time.  There are clearly  people who have beat this
and are still running at 200,000 miles.

Most people today just dont know anything about cars, except put the key in
and go,
and keep gas in it.
« Paul » - 04 Feb 2007 17:39 GMT
> THE AAMCO TRANSMISSION SCAM
>
> AAMCO transmission repair shops are famous for dishonest activies.
> They run two basic  scams.

Not at all like my experience with an AAMCO shop in Houston, Texas, USA.
One of my previous cars was a Mustang 5.0 auto.
They rebuilt the trans and it was still working great 5 years
later when I sold the car.
Maybe me having some knowledge of auto mechanics helped.
HLS@nospam.nix - 04 Feb 2007 19:33 GMT
> Not at all like my experience with an AAMCO shop in Houston, Texas, USA.
> One of my previous cars was a Mustang 5.0 auto.
> They rebuilt the trans and it was still working great 5 years
> later when I sold the car.

******* Maybe me having some knowledge of auto mechanics helped.******
You can bet on this.  Scam shops prey on women and kids, and pull in their
horns when
somebody comes around that knows the ropes.
Nate Nagel - 04 Feb 2007 20:02 GMT
>>Not at all like my experience with an AAMCO shop in Houston, Texas, USA.
>>One of my previous cars was a Mustang 5.0 auto.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> horns when
> somebody comes around that knows the ropes.

So they actually *can* do a good job but choose to rip off the
unknowledgeable?  That's even worse in my book than just being incompetent.

nate

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Brent P - 04 Feb 2007 20:41 GMT
>>>Not at all like my experience with an AAMCO shop in Houston, Texas, USA.
>>>One of my previous cars was a Mustang 5.0 auto.
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> So they actually *can* do a good job but choose to rip off the
> unknowledgeable?  That's even worse in my book than just being incompetent.

Take the OP's story about how he just wanted them to replace a cable. I
had an experience where I was calling around to have something specific
done. I had already had done the diagnosis. I knew what was bad. I just
didn't want to do it myself. So I just wanted some quotes for that job.
One or two places the person answering the phone gave me sh.t about how I
knew what was wrong and this and that... I knew that was trouble.

In another case a place tried scamming my brother. My brother called me
and I talked to the guy. Total bullshit. I told him to have the car towed
home and I would check it out on the weekend. (he was still living with
my parents at the time so he had a car to borrow for a couple days) When
he wouldn't have it done, their price started dropping quick and someone
there offered to buy the car. I ended up fixing it for him for something
like $60 in parts, shop wanted something like $500 replacing stuff that
wasn't needed and so on.
« Paul » - 05 Feb 2007 00:09 GMT
> > Not at all like my experience with an AAMCO shop in Houston, Texas, USA.
> > One of my previous cars was a Mustang 5.0 auto.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> horns when
> somebody comes around that knows the ropes.

Oh!  You are right.  Auto repair shops are always ripping off my ex
wife.
RayV - 05 Feb 2007 13:58 GMT
On Feb 3, 9:57 pm, donc...@hotmail.com wrote:
> A friend was just ripped off in a manner that was eerily similar to
> some thing
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> THE AAMCO TRANSMISSION SCAM

<snip scam story>

Not just the specialty shops.  Took my wife's 04 trailblazer to the
dealer because the CD player broke and the front brakes were starting
to pulse.

3 hours later the guy comes out to tell me that they needed to replace
the radio and he "was gonna get that covered under warranty for me".
Thanks for nothing, the truck only had 18K on it.  Then he tells me
they will resurface the rotors and repair the front brakes, "I will
get this covered under warranty too".  Gee thanks, doing a half-assed
repair and 'getting' it covered for me on a truck with 18K miles.

Then he starts the story about how they need to scan the computer
while checking the radio and there is some minor misfiring.  "Its
nothing you'll notice yet but could lead to problems down the road" he
explains.  Then this dickwad tries to sell me an injection sytem flush
or clean-out service for somewhere around $159.  Guess he was feeling
cocky because 10 minutes earlier he sold this load of crap to somebody
else.  I asked him why an engine problem wouldn't be covered under
warranty and started backpedaling saying "it might just be the
additives in the gas" and will probably ok when they switch to the
"other gas".

Makes me think the other 'customer' was a plant to get me or somebody
else waiting to go along with this stupid 'service'.
HLS@nospam.nix - 05 Feb 2007 16:20 GMT
"RayV" <NunyaBiznas@comcast.net> wrote in message

> Not just the specialty shops.  Took my wife's 04 trailblazer to the
> dealer because the CD player broke and the front brakes were starting
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
> Makes me think the other 'customer' was a plant to get me or somebody
> else waiting to go along with this stupid 'service'.

That is why the Romans used the phrase "caveat emptor" -let the buyer
beware.
Unfortunately, the greater number of people would not know enough to
challenge
this bait and bang tactic.
rantonrave@mail.com - 06 Feb 2007 07:40 GMT
>Took my wife's 04 trailblazer to the dealer because the
>CD player broke and the front brakes were starting to pulse.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>Thanks for nothing, the truck only had 18K on it.  Then he tells me
>they will resurface the rotors and repair the front brakes,

>Then he starts the story about how they need to scan the computer
>while checking the radio and there is some minor misfiring.  "Its
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>additives in the gas" and will probably ok when they switch to the
>"other gas".

I had a company 1982 Chevy X-car that developed pinging at 85,000
miles, and a Chevy dealer not known for outstanding service (I was
ordered to take it there rather than to the dealer I preferred)
charged $250, managed to lock my keys in the trunk (and couldn't open
it without my spare key), and solved nothing.  Both the mechanic and
service advisor told me to switch to high octane, but that made no
difference.  A week later they worked on it again without solving the
ping, so I drove out angry and on impulse drove into a Buick
dealership on my way home.  20 minutes later, the care was returned
and the pinging had been eliminated by reversing a vacuum valve that
had been installed backward.
sdlomi2 - 06 Feb 2007 14:15 GMT
> On Feb 3, 9:57 pm, donc...@hotmail.com wrote:
>> A friend was just ripped off in a manner that was eerily similar to
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> Thanks for nothing, the truck only had 18K on it.  Then he tells me
> they will resurface the rotors and repair the front brakes >snip<
   RayV, seems as if you are very lucky.  Dealerships in our locale have
traditionally NOT resurfaced rotors under warranty.  Their rationale: it's
normal & similar to tire wear.  If a "chunk" is broken off a rotor,
however, they will replace it under warranty.  Personally never agreed
w/that policy.  As a matter of goodwill (We sold some new cars in our used
car operation. ), we would turn the rotors at no charge for these
customers--really put a star in our crown when customers realized the
new-car dealerships couldn't do it under warranty.   Wish I could join you
in that luck scenario.  s
 
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