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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / Maintenance and Repair / February 2007

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Bleed ABS system (93 Chevy)

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Jeff - 05 Feb 2007 17:27 GMT
I have a '93 Chevy Suburban K2500 4x4. When I look up parts for it, I
always need to tell them that it's "over 8300 lbs" or 8600 lbs. I
believe I have 4 wheel ABS on this truck. Recently, I blew out a flex
line in the LF wheel, and by the time I got home, the entire system
was completely drained and the brakes were absolutely gone.

So... I bench bled the master cylinder, replaced the flex lines,
replaced the front calipers, and went to bleed out the system. I have
a Haynes book that generally has some good information in it and it
says I can bleed out the ABS, but it's sketchy in one spot. It says
(paraphrasing here):

* Push in the needle valve in the front of the combination valve and
hold it in for the entire process
* Bleed (in the usual manner: RR,LR,RF,LF)
* Bleed the "Isolation/Dump valve"
* Re-Bleed at each wheel again
* Release the needle valve
* Done.

The problem is that there is no description of where the "Isolation/
Dump" valve is, and it is not shown in any pictures. There is a chunk
of metal on the fender that I call "an ABS unit" which I assumed was
what they were talking about - it indeed has 2 bleed nipples on it. It
also has the lines from the combination valve going to it, and then it
has 4 lines going out (1 to each wheel). So I went to bleed it and no
fluid would come out of the unit at all. Also, pressure on the brakes
did not change at all when opening/closing the bleeder screw on "the
ABS unit". After a number of tries, I gave up on it and just re-bled
the wheels, and took it on a drive. After you start it up, the ABS
light comes on and it stays on. The brakes work okay, but there is
absolutely no ABS going on (tested on some ice).

So does anyone have a clue as to what the "isolation/dump" valve is
and how you bleed it? Is it the thing I'm calling "the ABS unit"? If
so, why couldn't I get fluid out of it?

TIA,
--Jeff
Daryl Bryant - 05 Feb 2007 23:12 GMT
look just below the master cylinder!!

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>
> I have a '93 Chevy Suburban K2500 4x4. When I look up parts for it, I
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> TIA,
> --Jeff
Jeff - 06 Feb 2007 17:10 GMT
On Feb 5, 7:12 pm, "Daryl Bryant" <sealsforensec...@charterseals.net>
wrote:
> look just below the master cylinder!!

<I replied to this already, but since I don't see my letter here, I'm
re-posting. Sorry if this is duplication>

There are no bleed valves on the master cylinder, and none that I can
see on the combination valve (under it). Are you saying that the
combination valve is the same thing as the "isolation/dump valve"? The
combination valve has 2 lines going in (from the master cylinder) and
2 lines going out (to "the ABS unit"). It also has an electrical
connection on top (1 wire - either a solenoid or a sensor - I believe
it's a solenoid to control the valve inside). On the front of the
combination valve is a rubber boot that you remove to push in the
needle for when you bleed the system (per the manual). The back has a
boot too that I have not taken off, but it seems too small to hide a
bleed valve. I'll check it though. The only way I see to bleed the
combination valve is to crack the lines a bit, which I'm guessing
isn't correct. I can pass along some pictures of the unit if that'd
help - it's fairly simple looking:
Master cylinder has two lines going to the combination valve, which
has two outbound lines going to "the ABS unit" which has 4 lines, one
going to each wheel. There are electrical connections on the
combination valve and on "the ABS unit".

Thanks,
--Jeff
scott21230@gmail.com - 06 Feb 2007 17:53 GMT
For future reference, the purpose of a dual master cylinder isn't to
get you home.  It's to keep you from wrecking your car.  Don't drive
it like that!
Daryl Bryant - 10 Feb 2007 07:28 GMT
> On Feb 5, 7:12 pm, "Daryl Bryant" <sealsforensec...@charterseals.net>
> wrote:
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> see on the combination valve (under it). Are you saying that the
> combination valve is the same thing as the "isolation/dump valve"?

Yup!

> combination valve has 2 lines going in (from the master cylinder) and
> 2 lines going out (to "the ABS unit"). It also has an electrical
> connection on top (1 wire - either a solenoid or a sensor - I believe
> it's a solenoid to control the valve inside). On the front of the
> combination valve is a rubber boot that you remove to push in the
> needle for when you bleed the system (per the manual).

That's it!!

The back has a
> boot too that I have not taken off, but it seems too small to hide a
> bleed valve. I'll check it though. The only way I see to bleed the
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> Thanks,
> --Jeff
 
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