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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / Maintenance and Repair / March 2007

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I've got a sinking feeling about this...

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runderwo@mail.win.org - 04 Mar 2007 22:29 GMT
... and it's under my foot.

So the consensus is pretty much that Chinese master cylinders are
crap, but what about American rebuilds such as Cardone?  I'm leaning
towards new but I could save 40 bucks with a rebuild, so do the big
names know how to get a rebuilt MC right yet?
Don - 05 Mar 2007 04:43 GMT
>... and it's under my foot.
>
>So the consensus is pretty much that Chinese master cylinders are
>crap, but what about American rebuilds such as Cardone?  I'm leaning
>towards new but I could save 40 bucks with a rebuild, so do the big
>names know how to get a rebuilt MC right yet?

Cardone is a big name that has the market cornered on lots of items.
They cornered the market strictly by price, NOT by quality.  My
stepson bought 4 "rebuilt" A1 Cardone calipers for his 76 Corvette and
all leaked with the year.  I once bought an A1 Cardone PS pump for an
old Celica -- genuine Toyota part was not easily available but that's
no excuse.  It leaked at an outlet fitting.  I removed the fitting to
find a  20 year old dry, brittle cracked "O" ring.  Clearly they had
done nothing but paint a used pump.

By new.  If the car is Japanese made buy new made in Japan.    

Don
www.donsautomotive.com
Brent P - 05 Mar 2007 05:26 GMT
>>... and it's under my foot.
>>
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> find a  20 year old dry, brittle cracked "O" ring.  Clearly they had
> done nothing but paint a used pump.

Cardone, I have to second this.... I had the bushings inside my
maverick's distributor fail from old age a few years back. All I could
find was cardone rebuilds. First one I got was really cheesy. crappy
made replacement parts inside _and_ the vacume retard didn't work. Took
it back to carquest. They found the vacume retard was intentionally
plugged by the rebuilder. They had gotten another one, same thing, but
this one had been done better and still had OEM parts inside of it.
Figuring this was as good as it was going to get I took it.

I then replaced the vacume advance/retard diaphragm with the original
and went to put it in. They had put an as-cast O-ring bushing where on the
original it was machined. To swap them meant disassembling both
distributors entirely. So I got to sanding the as cast surface smooth.
Sand, test fit, sand, test fit, so and so on until I got a tight but
acceptable fit.

I ate the core charge and kept my original. If there should be another
problem I will do more two into one or just have the original fully
redone properly.
clifto - 05 Mar 2007 18:50 GMT
> I ate the core charge and kept my original. If there should be another
> problem I will do more two into one or just have the original fully
> redone properly.

Does anyone still make rebuild kits?

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Brent P - 05 Mar 2007 19:04 GMT
>> I ate the core charge and kept my original. If there should be another
>> problem I will do more two into one or just have the original fully
>> redone properly.

> Does anyone still make rebuild kits?

Maybe somewhere online or special order, haven't seen one since the early
90s though.
runderwo@mail.win.org - 06 Mar 2007 01:54 GMT
> > I ate the core charge and kept my original. If there should be another
> > problem I will do more two into one or just have the original fully
> > redone properly.
>
> Does anyone still make rebuild kits?

O'Reilly has a rebuild kit listed for my Honda.  I'm a bit hesitant to
try to rebuild it myself because I don't have a garage or most of my
tools for the moment.
Don - 06 Mar 2007 05:56 GMT
>> > I ate the core charge and kept my original. If there should be another
>> > problem I will do more two into one or just have the original fully
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>try to rebuild it myself because I don't have a garage or most of my
>tools for the moment.

Your Honda will have an aluminum master cylinder.  "Rebuilding"
aluminum  master cylinders is not a good idea.  They corrode and can
not be honed without removing what is left of the protective anodized
finish.

Go new. Any brand made in Japan will be fine.

Don
www.donsautomotive.com
runderwo@mail.win.org - 06 Mar 2007 16:29 GMT
> Your Honda will have an aluminum master cylinder.  "Rebuilding"
> aluminum  master cylinders is not a good idea.  They corrode and can
> not be honed without removing what is left of the protective anodized
> finish.
>
> Go new. Any brand made in Japan will be fine.

Will do, thanks!
Hachiroku ハチロク - 16 Mar 2007 21:30 GMT
>> I ate the core charge and kept my original. If there should be another
>> problem I will do more two into one or just have the original fully
>> redone properly.
>
> Does anyone still make rebuild kits?

The OP can get a rebuild kit either from Toyota or any parts store.
runderwo@mail.win.org - 05 Mar 2007 16:20 GMT
> Cardone is a big name that has the market cornered on lots of items.
> They cornered the market strictly by price, NOT by quality.  My
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>
> By new.  If the car is Japanese made buy new made in Japan.    

OEM it is.  Thanks all.
 
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