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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / Maintenance and Repair / April 2007

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High mileage, burning oil, but love car! Help!

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wanda - 30 Mar 2007 20:11 GMT
Hi, i have a 93 mazda 626 i love the car. has 199,000 miles, long commute
using 2 quarts week, using 30weight oil. anything to help?
Scott Dorsey - 30 Mar 2007 20:36 GMT
>Hi, i have a 93 mazda 626 i love the car. has 199,000 miles, long commute
>using 2 quarts week, using 30weight oil. anything to help?

Engine rebuild, perhaps?  At 200k miles, it's not worth trying to figure
out where the majority of the consumption is coming from, and you might
as well just swap the whole thing out.
--scott
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wanda - 30 Mar 2007 21:35 GMT
>>Hi, i have a 93 mazda 626 i love the car. has 199,000 miles, long commute
>>using 2 quarts week, using 30weight oil. anything to help?
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>as well just swap the whole thing out.
>--scott

i was afraid you'd say that. very expensive, huh? if i decide to do that, how
would i find a shop to do this, i wouldnt want to take it to the mazda dealer
for this, right? and, is there any way to 'test' the transmission, because
with my luck, i'll fix the engine (also has a power steering leak, would
engine rebuild fix this too?), and the tranny would go out. problems!
Scott Dorsey - 30 Mar 2007 22:32 GMT
>i was afraid you'd say that. very expensive, huh? if i decide to do that, how
>would i find a shop to do this, i wouldnt want to take it to the mazda dealer
>for this, right?

Ask people in your area who they would trust.  There are a lot of shops that
do nothing but engine work, and that's probably where you want to go.

>and, is there any way to 'test' the transmission, because
>with my luck, i'll fix the engine (also has a power steering leak, would
>engine rebuild fix this too?), and the tranny would go out. problems!

If you have a manual transmission, don't sweat it and just keep driving.
Be sure to change the fluid according to the 'severe service' schedule in
the owner's manual.

If you have an automatic transmission, get rid of the car and get one with
a manual.  Automatic transmissions just have too many things inside to go
wrong when the mileage gets high.
--scott
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Don Stauffer in Minnesota - 31 Mar 2007 16:02 GMT
> >>Hi, i have a 93 mazda 626 i love the car. has 199,000 miles, long commute
> >>using 2 quarts week, using 30weight oil. anything to help?
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> with my luck, i'll fix the engine (also has a power steering leak, would
> engine rebuild fix this too?), and the tranny would go out. problems!

Look in the yellow pages for "engine rebuilders".
zwsdotcom@gmail.com - 01 Apr 2007 16:09 GMT
> >>Hi, i have a 93 mazda 626 i love the car. has 199,000 miles, long
>
> >--scott
>
> i was afraid you'd say that. very expensive, huh? if i decide to do that, how

Isn't the Maz626 basically a Ford Escort? I had my entire engine
replaced locally (NYC prices) for $1500.
wanda - 30 Mar 2007 21:37 GMT
>>Hi, i have a 93 mazda 626 i love the car. has 199,000 miles, long commute
>>using 2 quarts week, using 30weight oil. anything to help?
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>as well just swap the whole thing out.
>--scott
also, i was reading one of the posts, to have the compression checked to find
out if the seals have to be replaced or something like that, or the whole
engine needs to be replaced. is this something i should do ?
Scott Dorsey - 30 Mar 2007 22:29 GMT
>>>Hi, i have a 93 mazda 626 i love the car. has 199,000 miles, long commute
>>>using 2 quarts week, using 30weight oil. anything to help?
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>out if the seals have to be replaced or something like that, or the whole
>engine needs to be replaced. is this something i should do ?

The thing is, if you have leaky valve guide seals, you can fix them.  If
you have leaking bearings, you can change them.  If you have bad rings,
you can change them.  But at 200,000 miles, you're probably close to
having all of the above, and if you change one part, you're probably in
line for the rest soon.

Now, I admit that I have got 480,000 miles on an engine before, but to
be honest it would have been more cost-effective to have replaced the
car completely at about half that, and I did it mostly just to see if I
could.
--scott
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wanda - 30 Mar 2007 23:29 GMT
thank you for your help!

>>>>Hi, i have a 93 mazda 626 i love the car. has 199,000 miles, long commute
>>>>using 2 quarts week, using 30weight oil. anything to help?
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>could.
>--scott
Steve B. - 30 Mar 2007 22:34 GMT
>also, i was reading one of the posts, to have the compression checked to find
>out if the seals have to be replaced or something like that, or the whole
>engine needs to be replaced. is this something i should do ?

First I would figure out if the engine is burning the oil or leaking
the oil.  If you are leaving a puddle of oil everywhere you go then
have the leaks fixed.  If you are leaving a blue cloud behind you then
it is time for a rebuilt engine (and no, a rebuilt engine will not fix
a power steering leak).

Another way to go might be to look for another of these cars with low
mileage.  You are going to spend a few thousand getting this one fixed
up and unfortunately after spending all that money you are still going
to have a well used car that is worth 1500 to 2k. Also consider that
the rest of the car is well worn as well.  The transmission could go
soon costing you another couple of thousand, front end components are
going to need attention at some point and the interior parts are going
to start going at some point.

                    Steve B.
wanda - 30 Mar 2007 23:30 GMT
Thanks, Steve for your help!

>>also, i was reading one of the posts, to have the compression checked to find
>>out if the seals have to be replaced or something like that, or the whole
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>
>                     Steve B.
Steve - 30 Mar 2007 21:56 GMT
> Hi, i have a 93 mazda 626 i love the car. has 199,000 miles, long commute
> using 2 quarts week, using 30weight oil. anything to help?

Rebuild the engine, if the rest of the car is in good shape. But I have
to say, 199k is AWFULLY low mileage to be burning that much oil. Did it
get regular oil changes, was it ever overheated? I've got 3 cars over
200k miles that don't use anything like that much oil. Of course they're
not Mazdas, either :-)
wanda - 30 Mar 2007 22:07 GMT
>> Hi, i have a 93 mazda 626 i love the car. has 199,000 miles, long commute
>> using 2 quarts week, using 30weight oil. anything to help?
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>200k miles that don't use anything like that much oil. Of course they're
>not Mazdas, either :-)

yes, one owner (me) since new, oil change every 3K religiously, gets a little
warm sometimes, but never overheated. it does leak a little oil, but it has
done that for a long time. it has been using oil for a while, but seems to
have gone up quite a bit here lately (from 1 qt every two weeks to 1,
sometimes 2 qts a week.
Steve - 30 Mar 2007 23:43 GMT
>>>Hi, i have a 93 mazda 626 i love the car. has 199,000 miles, long commute
>>>using 2 quarts week, using 30weight oil. anything to help?
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> have gone up quite a bit here lately (from 1 qt every two weeks to 1,
> sometimes 2 qts a week.

Sounds like it broke a ring, assuming the PCV system is in good shape
and it isn't needlessly sucking oil mist down the intake.
Tegger - 31 Mar 2007 02:15 GMT
>>>>Hi, i have a 93 mazda 626 i love the car. has 199,000 miles, long
>>>>commute using 2 quarts week, using 30weight oil. anything to help?
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> Sounds like it broke a ring, assuming the PCV system is in good shape
> and it isn't needlessly sucking oil mist down the intake.

Might it be excessive oil throwoff from worn crank bearings?

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Steve - 01 Apr 2007 02:39 GMT
>>Sounds like it broke a ring, assuming the PCV system is in good shape
>>and it isn't needlessly sucking oil mist down the intake.
>
> Might it be excessive oil throwoff from worn crank bearings?

If the rings were in any kind of good shape, they could scrape the
excess away. Could be both contributing to the problem.
Noozer - 31 Mar 2007 00:12 GMT
> Hi, i have a 93 mazda 626 i love the car. has 199,000 miles, long commute
> using 2 quarts week, using 30weight oil. anything to help?

By my 93 626 as a replacement!   : )

Currently has 0w30 synthetic oil in it and doesn't leak or burn a drop!
Don Byrer - 01 Apr 2007 06:57 GMT
>Hi, i have a 93 mazda 626 i love the car. has 199,000 miles, long commute
>using 2 quarts week, using 30weight oil. anything to help?

NOTE: use advice below at your own risk!    (standard disclaimer)

Hm...reminds me of the 89 S10 Blazer 4.3 V6 I used to have.  Bought
for almost $10K (dumb!!!),  120K miles, with leaky rings (excessive
crankcase pressure) and leaky valve seals .  I reconfigured PCV to
pull vacuum all the time ( no valve)...it idled around 1000, but ran
great to 220K until I sold it.   I used 20W50 or 15W40 oil, whichever
was cheapest.  Yes, it did smoke a bit on startup but never failed to
start!  

I certainly would NOT recommend fooling with the PCV system yourself,
especially if it's working....but you might consider using 15W40
oil..aka diesel oil.   It's designed for diesel trucks (big semi's),
is resistant to smoking and being burned up (vs 30 or 10w30), and has
extra anti-wear/scuff additives.   Your bearing and valve clearances
are certainly much greater than when new, so the extra viscosity
(thicker) won't hurt.  Also, it comes in 1 gallon bottles, so it's
fairly economical-especially when you find it on sale and buy several.
Buy your oil filters that way too.

I like the 3K oil changes...if the oil is getting really nasty  black
or really thin ( diluted with gas from leaky rings)  you may want to
change it even a bit sooner.  Got a kid in the neighborhood who's
always under his car?  buy the oil & filters and offer him $15-20
labor to change 'em for you if you don't already do it yourself. WAY
cheaper than an engine!

Don't  (really DON'T) spend your $$ on expensive upgrades or engine
rebuilds.   If you REALLY love the 626, save up the $$ you'd otherwise
spend on repairs...drive yours till it's totally dead...could be next
week or three years(?); then sell it to your local motorhead guy for
salvage value and buy a new-er one that's in a bit better shape... a
98 or even a nice 2000.

According to kbb.com, a '00 626 ES with 80K and a few goodies is a
$6000-7000 car if "excellent".  A "good" 98 ES @ 84K is $5000.

Don't make the mistake I once did and put a $2000 engine in a $2500
car...still kicking myself for that one.

Best of Luck...Don

Don Byrer KJ5KB
Radar Tech & Smilin' Commercial Pilot Guy
Glider & CFI wannabe
kj5kb-at-hotmail.com

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Ashton Crusher - 01 Apr 2007 08:38 GMT
>Hi, i have a 93 mazda 626 i love the car. has 199,000 miles, long commute
>using 2 quarts week, using 30weight oil. anything to help?

So you pay $4 a week for oil.  Compared to what it will cost to fix
that worn out engine you are better off to just keep putting oil in
it.  There are some products like CD-Engine Restore that claim they
will help with oil consumption.  I would try some of them and see if
they help.
Noozer - 01 Apr 2007 10:17 GMT
>>Hi, i have a 93 mazda 626 i love the car. has 199,000 miles, long commute
>>using 2 quarts week, using 30weight oil. anything to help?
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> will help with oil consumption.  I would try some of them and see if
> they help.

There's also something I've seen from time to time. Might just be snake oil,
but I've never had need to try it.

Basically, you pull the sparkplugs, drop a pellet into the cylinder and
reinstall the plug. Some liquid goes into your gas tank and then you start
and idle the engine for a while. Not really sure of the details.
zwsdotcom@gmail.com - 01 Apr 2007 16:14 GMT
> There's also something I've seen from time to time. Might just be snake oil,
> but I've never had need to try it.
>
> Basically, you pull the sparkplugs, drop a pellet into the cylinder and

#define SARCASM
Well gee, it's hard to tell if it's snake oil based on that
description. The critical fact you didn't specify is, of course, what
color candles you need to burn on the points of the pentacle
surrounding the car. You did read the instructions that tell you to
draw a pentacle with sidewalk chalk and sacrifice a chicken before
using the product, right?
#undef SARCASM
sdlomi2 - 02 Apr 2007 01:28 GMT
> Hi, i have a 93 mazda 626 i love the car. has 199,000 miles, long commute
> using 2 quarts week, using 30weight oil. anything to help?

   Many rational replies--but, please listen to Ashton Crusher!!!  I've
bought/sold 1000's of cars(was my livelihood) and Ashton's advice was what
I(while still in school) gave my dad on a car he'd bought from his neighbor.
It had spent its life, altho' low miles, going from home to office; then to
post office; then back home.  Short drives can ruin engines.  Nonetheless,
it gave my dad 4 years of troublefree service by adding gas when needed, AND
adding oil when needed.  Meanwhile, save your money into a car-replacement
fund.  HTH & good luck.  s
wanda - 02 Apr 2007 18:53 GMT
Wow. alot of good information has been posted. thanks to you folks. i forgot
to  say that this car has automatic transmission, 6 cyl, and smokes a little
when first started, but only then. ( passed CA smog test-after 2 oxygen
sensors replaced last summer). and i get relatively great gas mileage on my
commute (27 mpg)! i do love the car and find it hard to think of letting it
go. i've driven it across country twice by myself, and it's lived in very
cold back east weather for few years, and very hot so. cal. weather most of
it's years. does anyone else get sentimental about their vehicle like this?
thanks again for your comments.
wanda

>Hi, i have a 93 mazda 626 i love the car. has 199,000 miles, long commute
>using 2 quarts week, using 30weight oil. anything to help?
Scott Dorsey - 02 Apr 2007 19:14 GMT
>Wow. alot of good information has been posted. thanks to you folks. i forgot
>to  say that this car has automatic transmission, 6 cyl, and smokes a little
>when first started, but only then.

Okay, that's probably just valve guide seals.  It's at least worth popping
the valve covers to see.  That's a fairly easy repair job, compared with
an actual oil-burning problem.
--scott

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