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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / Maintenance and Repair / April 2007

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Noise of unknown origin

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clifto - 19 Apr 2007 07:59 GMT
'94 Plymouth Alliance 3.0. Had a broken engine mount; the current mystery
noise was heard among the other sounds made by the broken mount, and the
mystery noise was assumed to be caused by the mount. Transaxle was
rebuilt (the place is known competent) and mount replaced, but the
mystery noise persists.

There isn't anything I can identify the noise with. It's from the front
right side of the car, sounds like thick metal parts hitting each other.

Pull down the driveway. Go over the flattened curb section - BONK
Turn left - BONK
100 feet to intersection - nothing
Turn right - BONK
Down street, hit bump - nothing
Veer slightly right - BONK
Straighten out - nothing
Veer slightly left - BONK
Straighten out - nothing
Stop - nothing
Turn right - BONK
Steer slightly right and left - nothing
Turn left - nothing

Now that it's been driven for a minute or two, it will make the noise
less and less in response to slight steering. Normal steering is the
most likely thing to get the noise, but not consistently. There is no
change whatsoever in steering, road feel, braking, or anything else
between noises. Braking of any sort does not seem to cause or prevent
the noise.

Accelerate or decelerate during turn - nothing
Hit bump - 10% of the time BONK, 90% nothing
Hit bump immediately after steering - likely BONK
Jackrabbit acceleration - nothing
Panic stop - nothing
Parked, bounce car up and down - nothing
Wobble tire & wheel - no looseness or play
New brake pads & rotors - no difference

I haven't found anything I can do to make the noise five times out of
ten, nor anything I can avoid doing to prevent the noise five times out
of ten. That's why it's so mysterious. Ideas appreciated.

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Noozer - 19 Apr 2007 08:16 GMT
> '94 Plymouth Alliance 3.0. Had a broken engine mount; the current mystery
> noise was heard among the other sounds made by the broken mount, and the
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> There isn't anything I can identify the noise with. It's from the front
> right side of the car, sounds like thick metal parts hitting each other.

Check the front swaybar endlinks and frame mounts?
spamTHISbrp@yahoo.com - 19 Apr 2007 13:25 GMT
> '94 Plymouth Alliance 3.0. Had a broken engine mount; the current mystery
> noise was heard among the other sounds made by the broken mount, and the
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>                 Music hath charms to soothe the savage breast.
>                      That's why stereo has two channels.

I've had this type of mystery noise, and in my case it was the front
calipers, believe it or not.
It was the kind of setup where the piece that takes up the slack
between the calipers and the mount could wear, allowing the calipers
to wiggle around (as opposed to just sliding in and out).

It didn't make the noise on braking, but on turning.
Apparently, when the spindles see more/less stress (turning, bumps)
the spindle, and therefore the rotor, would move around just enough to
cause a clunk because the caliper wasn't properly  floating.

Dave
Dan  Beaton - 19 Apr 2007 14:10 GMT
...
> There isn't anything I can identify the noise with. It's from the front
> right side of the car, sounds like thick metal parts hitting each other.
>
> Pull down the driveway. Go over the flattened curb section - BONK
> Turn left - BONK

I had a similar noise recently in my Ford Focus. It turned out to be a
broken spring, although it was initially diagnosed as a strut bearing.
Dan

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Steve Walker - 20 Apr 2007 02:57 GMT
> '94 Plymouth Alliance 3.0. Had a broken engine mount; the current mystery
> noise was heard among the other sounds made by the broken mount, and the
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> ten, nor anything I can avoid doing to prevent the noise five times out
> of ten. That's why it's so mysterious. Ideas appreciated.

There is an alignment procedure for the motor mounts. If the engine is
not in the correct left to right position, an axle could bottom out into
the transmission, making the sound you are hearing. I had a Shadow that
drove me nuts for almost 3 months before I finally took it in and had it
checked out. If I would have bought a book, I'd have known, but I didn't
think of the engine alignment.

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