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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / Maintenance and Repair / April 2007

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Mobil 1 "High Mileage" - opinions?

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Elko Tchernev - 19 Apr 2007 23:52 GMT
What is the difference (if any) between the (all of them fully
synthetic) Mobil 1 "High Mileage" (for engines over 75K miles), Mobil 1
"Extended Performance" and the regular Mobil 1 (don't remember whether
it says "with SuperSyn or not)? They claim "High Mileage" has extra
anti-wear, anti-sludge, and higher viscosity to reduce burn-off. How
could it have higher viscosity for the same weight ratings - wouldn't
that be mislabeling? And would it really have better wear and sludge
characteristics than the "Extended Performance"? Or maybe it does, but
doesn't last as long? Opinions, please.

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jcr - 20 Apr 2007 01:45 GMT
>     What is the difference (if any) between the (all of them fully
> synthetic) Mobil 1 "High Mileage" (for engines over 75K miles), Mobil 1
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> characteristics than the "Extended Performance"? Or maybe it does, but
> doesn't last as long? Opinions, please.

It's marketing blah...blah.
Nate Nagel - 20 Apr 2007 03:21 GMT
>>     What is the difference (if any) between the (all of them fully
>> synthetic) Mobil 1 "High Mileage" (for engines over 75K miles), Mobil
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>>
> It's marketing blah...blah.

I would ASSume that any oil marketed as "high mileage" would have extra
seal-softening additives, but that is just a guess.

nate

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HLS@nospam.nix - 20 Apr 2007 13:53 GMT
> I would ASSume that any oil marketed as "high mileage" would have extra
> seal-softening additives, but that is just a guess.

They claim the new generation of seal conditioning additives are not
softeners, as such,
but are high mol weight polymers.  Polymers of this type can have
viscosifying effects
in tight places without showing the macro effect of viscosifying the oil in
general.  (This
effect is genuine in principle)

Again, anybody can make claims about anything.
Ashton Crusher - 20 Apr 2007 07:22 GMT
>     What is the difference (if any) between the (all of them fully
>synthetic) Mobil 1 "High Mileage" (for engines over 75K miles), Mobil 1
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>characteristics than the "Extended Performance"? Or maybe it does, but
>doesn't last as long? Opinions, please.

Typically, oils marketed as "high mileage" don't meet some aspect of
the new car oil spec.  It may be that it doesn't meet the spec to
qualify as "energy savings".  Or it may have more anti-wear additives
then the new car spec allows because new car specs continue to allow
lower and lower levels of various additives that can foul the
catalytic converter and they are required to warranty the converters
for longer and longer lengths of time/mileage by the feds.  So the
reality is that you may get a BETTER oil for preventing wear when you
choose a "high mileage" oil then if you choose the one that is the
latest and greatest spec for new cars.  This lowering of allowed
amounts of anti-wear additives is why you are seeing more and more of
the new car oil's becoming semi-synthetic - they can't get them to
have sufficient wear protection with just dino oil and meet all the
other requirements for reduced additives, etc.  I think you are safe
with any of the Mobile One products. If you have a newer car and plan
on keeping it for a long time don't use the "high mileage" oil if you
wish to make your cat converter last as long as possible.  On the
other hand, if you really want to maximize anti wear protection and
are willing to maybe have to replace the cat at some point, then the
High Mileage oil may actually be the best choice.
N8N - 20 Apr 2007 15:02 GMT
> On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 18:52:30 -0400, Elko Tchernev
>
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> are willing to maybe have to replace the cat at some point, then the
> High Mileage oil may actually be the best choice.

AFAIK the best choice in that respect is a "fleet" oil like Rotella or
Delo, but NOT the versions that meet the latest API specs.  There's
been a fairly lively discussion about this over on the Studebaker
forums (as Studes, like many old cars, use flat tappet cams, so ZDDP
content is a real concern.)

nate
Ashton Crusher - 21 Apr 2007 07:46 GMT
>> On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 18:52:30 -0400, Elko Tchernev
>>
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>
>nate

Yeah, I've been hearing that too.  There was a lot of talk about it in
a classic T-bird group regarding what oil to use in the old FE big
blocks in the old birds.  Many suggested the Rotella and similar
diesel oils or at the very least to stay away from the energy savings
oils.  I"ve been reading that one of the reasons most newer engines
went to roller tappets was because the new oils simply can't provide
enough high pressure anti wear to protect the cam/tappet interface on
the non-roller designs.
Elko Tchernev - 24 Apr 2007 04:17 GMT
Well, I've decided to field-test the "High Mileage" oil in my 160K+
miles Stratus, and I put it in. I'll consider it a success if it doesn't
require a top-off for the 7500 miles I plan to keep it. If it does, I'll
switch back to the "Extended Performance", which needs a quart every 2
to 3 thousand miles, but this at least adds some fresh anti-wear that
helps it last the 15K.

>>> On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 18:52:30 -0400, Elko Tchernev
>>>
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> enough high pressure anti wear to protect the cam/tappet interface on
> the non-roller designs.

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