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Can You Repair a "Plastic Radiator"?
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Nehmo - 21 Apr 2007 10:22 GMT A search was disappointing. The radiator is on a '97 Cadillac. Small crack. Any suggestions? Is replacing the tank the only option?
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M.M. - 21 Apr 2007 17:05 GMT > A search was disappointing. The radiator is on a '97 Cadillac. Small > crack. Any suggestions? Is replacing the tank the only option? I repaired a small crack in the plastic rad in my daughter's Mazda with JB Weld. Somewhat to my surprise it lasted until I finally replaced the rad over a year later (didn't want to push my/her luck). I cleaned the area with brake cleaner and roughed it up first and did it while the rad was warm...cap off so no pressure in it & fluid level below the crack. Give it a try...what do you have to lose?
HLS@nospam.nix - 21 Apr 2007 21:24 GMT > > A search was disappointing. The radiator is on a '97 Cadillac. Small > > crack. Any suggestions? Is replacing the tank the only option? Some of the radiator shops in the yellow pages say they can repair plastic tanks. Ive never had to resort to this and dont know how well they do.
Marsh Monster - 21 Apr 2007 18:25 GMT ====== ======
> A search was disappointing. The radiator is on a '97 Cadillac. Small > crack. Any suggestions? Is replacing the tank the only option? > > -- > (||) Nehmo (||) ====== ====== answers to your questions, as they were worded........
1) Topic Question: Yes
2) Suggestions: Replace the radiator.
3) Replaceing the tank, only option: No. (see answer no. 2)
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Kjun - 22 Apr 2007 00:40 GMT Nehmo <nehmo54@hotmail.com> wrote in news:1177147367.811021.56870 @y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com:
> A search was disappointing. The radiator is on a '97 Cadillac. Small > crack. Any suggestions? Is replacing the tank the only option? > > -- > (||) Nehmo (||) the majors (napa, pecker boys, auto shack) all sell a product recommended for tank repair....rarely do they work for long.......dealer and aftermarket sell many end tanks. call around or buy a new radiator would be my only advise................kjun (btw; summer is a comin')
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MiltRuiz506@hotmail.com - 22 Apr 2007 01:20 GMT > A search was disappointing. The radiator is on a '97 Cadillac. Small > crack. Any suggestions? Is replacing the tank the only option? > > -- > (||) Nehmo (||) A friend of mine cracked her dad's car's metal radiator and fixed it with JB Weld (a commonly found epoxy). I swear by this sh.t, and know of people who've done unbelivable things with it. e.g.: A transmissions mechanic who made a divot on a valve body while taking off the transmission pan. He figured there was no way he could repair something like that with a MIG welder (and he was probably right), so he JB Welded it.... They now make a variation of the product that even works on wet leaks (I haven't tried it yet; but the original version of the product is solid. I've even used it to affix rearview mirrors, which lesser epoxies have failed miserably at). Since it's less than $10 bucks a pop, I would say it's at least worth a try.
400sbc_guy - 22 Apr 2007 01:52 GMT radiator shops have special apoxy to fix it. there is one a block away i hang out there 1 time a week. my cousin works there and that 2 part apoxy they ordered they use alot. and i have had several fixed and they are still runnig wit them now. couple of yrs l8ter
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do_not_spam_me@my-deja.com - 22 Apr 2007 10:38 GMT > A search was disappointing. The radiator is on a '97 Cadillac. Small > crack. Any suggestions? Is replacing the tank the only option? Plastic radiator tanks are made of fiberglass-reinforced nylon, a material that can't be glued well with anything. The best solution, next to replacement of the plastic tank, is to melt the crack with a soldering iron and fill it with glass-reinforced nylon repair rod, which is sold by radiator supplies and GM dealerships. Do not use just any nylon since some types don't stick well to one another.
Nehmo - 22 Apr 2007 16:00 GMT On Apr 22, 4:38 am, do_not_spam...@my-deja.com wrote:
> Nehmowrote: > > A search was disappointing. The radiator is on a '97 Cadillac. Small [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > which is sold by radiator supplies and GM dealerships. Do not use > just any nylon since some types don't stick well to one another. Considering everyone's advice, including the advice of a friend who works at a body shop (Nathan of Ron's Custom: "No shop in town will repair a plastic radiator"), I bought a new radiator. It was $173 total from Orr radiator in Kansas City, Kansas. Getting the thing out and in wasn't easy.
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Marsh Monster - 23 Apr 2007 00:43 GMT ======= =======
> Considering everyone's advice, including the advice of a friend who > works at a body shop (Nathan of Ron's Custom: "No shop in town will [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > -- > (||) Nehmo (||) ====== ======
Wisdom cannot be disquised..... Ignorance provides it's own testament.
I applaud your choice of repairs. Well done.
Problem is......now ....you'll never learn from your mistake. :)
As Benny Franklin sayed, Experience is a hard way to learn, but fools will learn in no other.
again, good job Nehmo..glad you got'r fixed.
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HLS@nospam.nix - 23 Apr 2007 01:09 GMT > Considering everyone's advice, including the advice of a friend who > works at a body shop (Nathan of Ron's Custom: "No shop in town will > repair a plastic radiator"), I bought a new radiator. It was $173 > total from Orr radiator in Kansas City, Kansas. Getting the thing out > and in wasn't easy. I find it interesting that you counseled with a body shop with respect to a radiator problem.
A new radiator can be a good fix, if you dont buy a crappo unit.
Nehmo - 24 Apr 2007 03:25 GMT I consulted with my friend at a body shop because he was my friend and he knows a lot about cars. I might have consulted him on *any* car question. However, he *does* have plenty of experience with radiators. The body shop deals with wrecked cars and consequently deals with replacing or fixing radiators. -- (||) Nehmo (||)
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On Apr 22, 7:09 pm, <H...@nospam.nix> wrote:
> I find it interesting that you counseled with a body shop with respect > to a radiator problem. > > A new radiator can be a good fix, if you dont buy a crappo unit. Marsh Monster - 24 Apr 2007 07:34 GMT ======= ======= On Apr 22, 7:09?pm, <H...@nospam.nix> wrote in message:
> I find it interesting that you counseled with a body shop with respect > to a radiator problem. > > A new radiator can be a good fix, if you dont buy a crappo unit. ======= ======= Believe me when i say......
Bodyshops....see ALOT of radiator problems.
ALOT
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more than a few
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BeastFiend - 24 Apr 2007 12:37 GMT > ======= > ======= > On Apr 22, 7:09?pm, <H...@nospam.nix> wrote in message: > > > I find it interesting that you counseled with a body shop with respect > > to a radiator problem. Wedding night - virgin bride tries to say no but is forced 'Roman Discipline' by Rod Caine, from Stern Publications http://www.a1adultebooks.com/sternpub.htm
Chapter 1: Wedding Night
It was a good marriage for both families. Each had something the other coveted: the Manlii had wealth, and the Martii had respectability. The Martii were old Patrician stock, but with the stormy fortunes of the years their fortunes had slowly dwindled. Flavius Manlius, by contrast, was a man of huge wealth but low birth. At the age of thirty- four, Flavius Manlius was a battle-scarred veteran with a string hard- fought victories to his name. Now, a marriage between Manlius a girl of high Patrician birth like Caia Martia would make a formidable match. With the wealth of the Manlii, a father who was a celebrated and faithful soldier, and the pedigree of the Martii, there might be no limit to how far their future sons could climb.
No-one had asked Caia Martia how she felt about the union. A Patrician girl was expected to obey her father's commands for the good of the family. If that meant marrying a man fifteen years her senior, so be it. Now she was in her dressing room, being prepared by giggling maids. They seemed to think that she was in for a night of the wildest pleasure. But Caia looked forward to the coming consummation with no girlish excitement.
She thought about all that had happened today. They had been married, and then there had been the feast. She had sat demurely while her new husband acted uproariously, laughing coarsely with his fellow soldiers as they drowned themselves in wine. She hoped that he might fall into a stupor, but his capacity for drink seemed endless. The lake of wine he had imbibed seemed to have no effect on him, except perhaps to make him even more loutish.
The maids bathed Caia, dried her and dressed her hair. They perfumed her and then slipped a fine robe onto her arms, so thin that it was almost transparent. Finally they wrapped a band around her middle, dyed a vivid red, to hold the robe closed. It had no other fastening. The red band was supposed to represent her maiden virtue. Her husband would undo it and open her robe, a symbol of his loosening the bonds of her girlhood. And she was supposed to lie quiet and obedient as he did so: so Caia's mother had instructed her.
When Caia was dressed, the maids conveyed her to the nuptial chamber. They gave her their giggling congratulations, and then withdrew, joking with each other. The room was lit by lamps. Its centrepiece was a bed, with a large square of white linen laid on its covers. Caia stood nervously, hands playing together like frightened animals.
The door opened and her husband half-fell in through it. There was a burst of oafish laughter from outside, from several throats. 'Don't worry, you sons of whores!' shouted Flavius Manlius happily to whoever was outside. 'You'll get to see it soon enough! Now I've got business to attend to, so keep your noise down!' He slammed the door shut, and turned to face her.
'Caia,' he said. He grinned and licked his lips, then stripped off his toga to reveal a simple tunic underneath, held in place with a leather belt. 'Caia,' he repeated. 'What a lovely girl you are. Let me have a look at you.' He advanced on her in a slight crouch, the crouch a hunter would use when advancing on his prey and she drew back, flattening the palms of her hands across her chest and belly in instinctive fear.
'Caia,' he said again, more obviously drunk now. 'You're so pretty, Caia. So shy.' He grinned, and it was the deranged grin of some mad beast, some demon from her nightmares. She felt the wall against her bottom and her back, and realised that she had been retreating. 'Whenever I look at you, Caia, you always drop your eyes and blush,' he said quietly, almost whispering. 'That's nice. It's how a Roman maiden should behave. Stately. The blushing bride. You know how I feel about you, Caia,' he said, smiling, as if trying to encourage an unwilling child. 'I'm so lucky to have a girl like you. So pretty. So noble. You're the perfect wife, Caia.' He put a hand out and his fingertips touched her forearm. She made a tiny, high-pitched sound in her throat and shrank further back into the wall.
'Don't be scared, Caia,' he said. 'I'm not going to hurt you. It's time for you to...' he chuckled to himself, without finishing the sentence. His eyes were glittering darkly. She could smell wine on his breath, and the musk of his body, the sweat of hard merrymaking. Her eyes were locked on his face.
'At the feast,' he said, almost whispering, 'you didn't join in the fun. You sat there, quiet. Like a queen. And whenever I looked at you, you blushed and looked down. But you're not looking down now, are you Caia? You can't take your eyes off me now, can you? Now we're alone, Caia. You don't have to act any more. You don't have to play the proper Roman noblewoman. Come on. There's another part for you to play tonight.'
His fingertips ran along her arm, brushing her skin through the terribly thin robe she wore. His hand reached her wrist, and his fingers closed around it. 'Come with me, Caia,' he whispered, pulling her hand toward him. Caia tried to pull her arm away, but her strength was nothing to the steely muscles in his battle-hardened body. 'Come on,' he said. 'Don't be scared. Don't be shy. It's time for you to be a woman, Caia. You're my queen. And I'm your king. Now come with me and be a woman for me.'
Flavius stepped back, pulling her after him, gently but firmly. Caia's arm was pulled out straight to its full extent, and then he was dragging her away from the wall. A whine escaped her as he did so. 'What's wrong?' he said. Consternation suddenly clouded his features. 'Come with me, Caia. You're my wife now. It's time. It's time for you to be mine.' He gave a tug on her arm, less gentle than before.
'Please,' she blurted. 'Please, no, please...'
'What? No?' he asked, seeming confused. 'What do you mean, no?'
'Please!' The word burst from her, a shout of desperation. 'Please... I can't - you can't -' she stuttered, words emerging from her mouth without thought, without even intending to speak.
'I can't what?' he asked. He sounded as though he had been insulted. 'You are my wife, Caia. It's my right to take you, and my duty. And it's your duty to obey. Now come with me.' He pulled on her arm roughly now, dragging her toward the bed.
'No!' she cried pathetically, begging. 'No, please! No, don't! I can't bear it!'
'Come on now,' said her husband. He was beside the bed. Caia Martia was as far from him as she could be, one arm stretched toward him. 'Don't worry, Caia. You're in the hands of an expert. I know just how to treat girls like you.' He gave her arm a savage pull, and a dull cry of shock came from her throat as she stumbled toward him. She fell to her knees, and Flavius Manlius darted forward to grab her before she knew what was happening, his hands seizing her arms just below the shoulders and gripping her flesh like merciless iron bands. Caia cried out again at that biting grasp, and her cry became a long wail of fear.
'Nnnnaaaa - aaaaahh - no no, please! No, please, I beg you -' she found words as he forced her onto the bed, pressing her back.
'Don't you say no to me!' snapped her husband. 'Being shy is one thing, but I don't take disobedience from anyone under me! Now you're mine, and you're going to do as I tell you - one way or another!' He leant over her, his face above hers, his hands pressing her arms down into the bed. She was half on and half off it, legs trailing on the floor. Flavius wrestled her up onto the bed, trying to position her on the white square of linen. He seemed to think it important for some reason.
'I know how to deal with girls like you,' he said. 'I've had to deal with your sort before. You'll soon fall in line when I've taught you a lesson. Now stop struggling and be good, or you'll find out what that's like!' But his new bride carried on thrashing about in his grip, wailing and blurting words and half-coherent pleas. Flavius pulled her arms behind her back and wrapped a single strong hand around both wrists. Then he brought out his right hand and touched her face with it. Caia turned her head aside in disgust. Flavius ran his hand down her body to her chest then let it linger there, stroking her through the fine weave of her virginal gown.
'Now come on, Caia. Be good. I'm your king now. And you're my subject. You have to do what I want. So behave yourself and obey me. Be dignified, Caia. Like you were before. I admired that, Caia. Try to act like that again. Like a queen. Regal. Stately. That's how you should be. Calm down and do as I tell you. You just lie back and enjoy it...' He lowered his hand, stroking it over her twisting belly until his it reached the cord which held her gown together, the cord which represented her virginal bonds. Slowly he started to undo the knot. Caia tried to pull her lower body aside, dragging it away with her legs. But Flavius grabbed her thigh with his free hand and hauled it back into place, then put his own knee on her leg to hold it in place.
He returned his hand to the knot, and loosed it without hurry. Then he took hold of her robe. He slowly drew the thin material aside, sliding it over her delicate pale skin. When he had drawn the last scrap of covering from her body, Flavius Manlius slowly looked his prize up and down. His new wife's hair was yellow as a field of ripe wheat, as a noble Roman's should be. That hair had been dressed prettily by her house-slaves, but during her struggles it had gone awry and was now strewn loose about her head in disarray. That golden hair framed a fine-boned face that could have been haughty, but was now distorted with fear, the eyes glistening with moisture as she fought feebly beneath him. Manlius had seen that look in the eyes of so many girls in towns he had sacked, girls who had tried but failed to escape him, and had been forced to endure his attentions. Now he saw the same look in the eyes of his bride, and it roused his passions, stirring him until his manhood was hard as Roman steel, standing proud and stiff as a stallion's member.
His eyes ran down her body further. Below her mouth, which worked at silently half-forming words, was a slender neck. On her chest rose two sweetly curved globes, pointed with dark nipples. Her belly was a smooth expanse of marble, but rippled like water as her muscles twitched without coordination in a delirium of fear. Then, lower down, was the real treasure, her temple, concealed by a thick field of wheat as golden as that on her head. His eyes ran up again, searching out the curves of her waist, delighting in its graceful shape. His hand touched her above the navel, fingers just teasing her skin, and she gasped and sucked her belly in. Flavius chuckled and brushed his hand slowly down, down toward the most precious part of her virginal body. His fingers ran over the silky whiteness of her still unknown flesh, feeling the light dew of sweat that had arisen there. They reached her cornfield, and felt the swell of her Venerean mound. Those fingers roamed further down, seeking the hidden place of her chaste virtue. Caia's throat had been locked solid with terror, leaving her silent, but now a grinding, choking sound escaped her. Her body heaved under him, exerting all her strength to try to get away, but it was no use. Her husband was too strong. Flavius had his knee on her right leg; her left jerked up, almost to her belly, to try to cover her maidenhood. Flavius laughed, grabbed that leg with a grip like iron and forced it aside. In a lithe motion he shifted his own legs over her trapped right one, and suddenly Caia found that he was kneeling on the bed between her thighs. He was bent forward over her, his left hand still behind her back to clasp her wrists together.
Caia desperately tried to close her legs, but her brutal husband's muscular body was between them. She let out a long wail, too terrified to form words, and her body thrashed on the bed while her legs kicked up and down, seeking some way of closing, rubbing their inner surfaces feverishly against the sides of his body. Manlius reached between his own legs and lifted his tunic, taking hold of his spear, which was throbbing now, aching with desire and stiff with power. Shifting his legs he lowered his body down, and Caia felt the tip of his hot flesh prod into the arch where her left leg met her body.
'Nooooo!!!' she shrieked, suddenly finding words in her delirium of nightmarish fear. 'You can't - don't - p-please, no!!'
'You want it really,' grunted Manlius. Over the years, he had said that to so many girls in the same situation. His weapon poked about until it found the entry it sought...
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HLS@nospam.nix - 24 Apr 2007 16:31 GMT > ======= > ======= [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > more than a few I dont doubt they see a lot. And probably replace a lot.
Apparently a lot of replacement radiators are junk, from some previous posts here. Radiator repair can also be junk, but done professionally it can be good.
A lot depends upon what you can, and are willing to, pay for.
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