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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / Maintenance and Repair / April 2007

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Dean - 23 Apr 2007 16:22 GMT
This is on a 96 Lexus LS400, which is otherwise in great condition.
What are my options here? Sounds like a Mustang now, but I guess I
gotta fix it.

How much should this cost to cut apart and insert a new piece and weld
it back in? Which shops are best for exhaust work?

Thanks

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Dean
C. E. White - 23 Apr 2007 16:46 GMT
> This is on a 96 Lexus LS400, which is otherwise in great condition.
> What are my options here? Sounds like a Mustang now, but I guess I
> gotta fix it.

It looks like the seam just opened up. I'd take it to a muffler shop
and ask them to just reweld the seam. If the rest of the material is
so bad, that it can't be weleded, isn't it likely that a lot of the
exhaust system is close to failure as well? The biggist concern I
would have is whether or not you can find a shop experienced in
welding stainless steel. It might be worth talking to the service
writer at your local Lexus dealer. Is the system combletely welded
from the front catalytic convertors to the rear, or is there another
bolted joint behind the Y-pipe? You possibly could remove the Y-pipe
and take to an experienced welder. The Lexus catalog
(http://www.lexuspartsonline.com ) lists a seperate pipe for the front
pipe, you it is possible you could purchase that and have it welded
in. The cost is shown as $334 (see http://tinyurl.com/2h9g3t ).

> How much should this cost to cut apart and insert a new piece and
> weld
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> Dean
Dean - 23 Apr 2007 20:02 GMT
On Apr 23, 11:46 am, "C. E. White" <cewhi...@removemindspring.com>
wrote:

> > This is on a 96 Lexus LS400, which is otherwise in great condition.
> > What are my options here? Sounds like a Mustang now, but I guess I
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Isn't that just a heat shield, rather than a pressurized seal?

Good price on the part there - thanks. Cheap compared to the other
lexus models!
Dean - 23 Apr 2007 20:04 GMT
On Apr 23, 11:46 am, "C. E. White" <cewhi...@removemindspring.com>
wrote:

> > This is on a 96 Lexus LS400, which is otherwise in great condition.
> > What are my options here? Sounds like a Mustang now, but I guess I
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Isn't that just a heat shield?

Thanks for the link - quite cheap compared to the other lexus models!
MasterBlaster - 23 Apr 2007 23:08 GMT
> "Dean" <deanbrown3d@yahoo.com> wrote in message

> > This is on a 96 Lexus LS400, which is otherwise in great condition.
> > What are my options here? Sounds like a Mustang now, but I guess I
> > gotta fix it.
>
> It looks like the seam just opened up.

But when you brighten up the picture a bunch, it looks like there's an actual hole
in the rusted inner pipe, and opening the heat shield's seam just lets you see it....  http://i16.tinypic.com/2psggsk.jpg
Tegger - 24 Apr 2007 00:18 GMT
Dean <deanbrown3d@yahoo.com> wrote in news:1177341730.157672.227980
@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com:

> This is on a 96 Lexus LS400, which is otherwise in great condition.
> What are my options here? Sounds like a Mustang now, but I guess I
> gotta fix it.
>
> How much should this cost to cut apart and insert a new piece and weld
> it back in? Which shops are best for exhaust work?

These appear to be factory exhaust parts, still installed on the car. The
silvery-colored heat shields are still present, which is how I know it's
still factory.

You have suffered a rust-through of the exhaust pipe due to internal
moisture. When this happens, it is a certainty that the rest of the system
is very close to being perforated as well.

It appears it took eleven years for your factory exhaust to hole itself.
Not bad at all.

What to do? All that is practical is to replace stuff. You can do this one
of two ways:

1) Cheap out, getting Monkeys-R-Us (The Cheap Exhaust Specialists) to cut
out and replace the worst bits, rip off the heat shields, and install
clamps, simian-quality welding and Chinese-quality steel.
Repeat every six to twelve months ad infinitum to have the next holey bit
replaced.

2) Bite the bullet and have the Toyota dealer install one-piece, top-
quality factory parts (with heat shields) to replace the old one-piece,
top-quality factory parts (with heat shields) that lasted eleven years.
Now forget about it for another eleven years.

Guess what my choice would be, and guess how I (a non-professional) might
arrive at such a decision?

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Brent P - 24 Apr 2007 00:27 GMT
> Dean <deanbrown3d@yahoo.com> wrote in news:1177341730.157672.227980
> @q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com:
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> Guess what my choice would be, and guess how I (a non-professional) might
> arrive at such a decision?

Option 3) Install a high quality aftermarket stainless steel
performance exhaust system. As I understand it, there are a number of
good manufacturers (borla, magnaflow, bassani, etc). These systems should
be far less expensive than the factory replacement parts
retail-to-retail.
Steve - 24 Apr 2007 20:00 GMT
> It appears it took eleven years for your factory exhaust to hole itself.
> Not bad at all.

I disagree, that kind of failure is appalling in this day and age. Isn't
Lexus supposed to be flawless, after all? Everyone else has been using
fully stainless exhaust for a LONG time. The original 240,000 mile and
17 year exhaust system on my wife's "inferior" American car doesn't have
the slightest blemish on it, from exhaust manifolds to exhaust tips.
Tegger - 24 Apr 2007 22:37 GMT
>> It appears it took eleven years for your factory exhaust to hole
>> itself. Not bad at all.
>
> I disagree, that kind of failure is appalling in this day and age.
> Isn't Lexus supposed to be flawless, after all? Everyone else has been
> using fully stainless exhaust for a LONG time.

Toyota's now using "semi-stainless". I don't know if they were using that
in '96.

> The original 240,000
> mile and 17 year exhaust system on my wife's "inferior" American car
> doesn't have the slightest blemish on it, from exhaust manifolds to
> exhaust tips.

Then you sure don't live where I do. Winter does incredible damage to
exhausts. The OP appears to be in the Rust Belt (possibly NJ).

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Dean - 27 Apr 2007 09:17 GMT
> >> It appears it took eleven years for your factory exhaust to hole
> >> itself. Not bad at all.
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> --
> Tegger

Yes, I am in NJ!

We had a flas flood the other day, and drove through maybe 6-10" of
water for a few yards, maybe the shock was too much for the system and
that propogated the hole. Its certainly not SS, from the rust it looks
like regular steel.

I'm going to poke around and maybe patch it up this weekend.

Thanks all for the help

Dean
Tegger - 27 Apr 2007 23:08 GMT
> We had a flas flood the other day, and drove through maybe 6-10" of
> water for a few yards, maybe the shock was too much for the system and
> that propogated the hole. Its certainly not SS, from the rust it looks
> like regular steel.

Even semi-stainless won't rust like that.

> I'm going to poke around and maybe patch it up this weekend.

Be prepared to keep adding patches from time to time. Your whole system is
near the rust-through point. You'll get tired of the work after a while.

I highly recommend a complete replacement from the dealer.

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Tegger

Brent P - 28 Apr 2007 00:17 GMT
> Even semi-stainless won't rust like that.

I should send you a picture of the stainless exhaust system on my '97
mustang after 10 years and having been driven in 8 chicago winters.
Sure the part that shows that is made of the higher grade stuff is
pretty as the day it left the factory. The rest however is ugly. The
joints on the muffler side of the cat section/muffler section are
going. The mufflers are also on their way out.
Steve - 24 Apr 2007 19:56 GMT
> This is on a 96 Lexus LS400, which is otherwise in great condition.
> What are my options here? Sounds like a Mustang now, but I guess I
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>
> Dean

I'll bet that once you get those shiny stainless heat shields off,
you'll find a very, very rotted exhaust system underneath. The portion
of the actual pipe that is visible looks HORRIBLE! If that's the case
then I wouldn't patch, I'd replace. Before any decision is made you need
to look at more of the system than what can be seen through that gap in
the heat shields.

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