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1954 Chevy voltage conversion

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Programbo - 24 Apr 2007 01:04 GMT
What all would be involved in converting a 1954 Chevy Bel-Air from 6
volt to 12 volts...If anyone knows a bteer group to post this question
in thanks for that info also
Ashton Crusher - 24 Apr 2007 02:00 GMT
>What all would be involved in converting a 1954 Chevy Bel-Air from 6
>volt to 12 volts...If anyone knows a bteer group to post this question
>in thanks for that info also

You would need to replace all the light bulbs with the 12 volt
equivalent.  You would need to put a voltage reducer in the supply
wire that powers the dash gauges.  You'd need to change the heater
blower motor. You'd need to change the starter to a 12 volt starter.
Change the radio, etc, etc,  For that old of a vehicle it should be
pretty simple, basically you change everything to it's 12 volt
equivalent.  If you can't change it you have to provide something to
step the voltage down (such as the gauges).  If it has an old tube
radio you'd be better off just putting a modern radio in it unless you
are trying to maintain it all original.  You'd have to find someone
else to tell you how to get an old tube radio converted.
Steve Austin - 24 Apr 2007 03:25 GMT
>>What all would be involved in converting a 1954 Chevy Bel-Air from 6
>>volt to 12 volts...If anyone knows a bteer group to post this question
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> are trying to maintain it all original.  You'd have to find someone
> else to tell you how to get an old tube radio converted.

I wouldn't worry about the starter.
Nate Nagel - 24 Apr 2007 03:31 GMT
>>> What all would be involved in converting a 1954 Chevy Bel-Air from 6
>>> volt to 12 volts...If anyone knows a bteer group to post this question
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>
> I wouldn't worry about the starter.

Agreed.  The heater blower and wiper motor might be a problem though.  I
 went through this dance a couple years ago with my '55 Studebaker;
however that is an easier car to convert because a '56 is the exact same
car practically but with 12V accessories.  The only place I needed to
use voltage droppers was on the temperature gauge and fuel gauge. (the
radio I just removed.)  A '54 Chev. might be more problematic because
the body style changed for '55 so there may be no direct 12V
interchanges for some components.  Maybe might want to post to a more
Chevy-oriented group so you can see what you're in for?

good luck,

nate

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Ashton Crusher - 24 Apr 2007 07:07 GMT
>>>What all would be involved in converting a 1954 Chevy Bel-Air from 6
>>>volt to 12 volts...If anyone knows a bteer group to post this question
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>
>I wouldn't worry about the starter.

Yeah, it would probably work fine and I bet it would spin that engine
over like there's no tomorrow.  It would be kinda cool.
Nate Nagel - 24 Apr 2007 12:03 GMT
>>>>What all would be involved in converting a 1954 Chevy Bel-Air from 6
>>>>volt to 12 volts...If anyone knows a bteer group to post this question
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> Yeah, it would probably work fine and I bet it would spin that engine
> over like there's no tomorrow.  It would be kinda cool.

It'd probably sound like a MoPar :)

nate

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Steve W. - 24 Apr 2007 14:20 GMT
>> What all would be involved in converting a 1954 Chevy Bel-Air from 6
>> volt to 12 volts...If anyone knows a bteer group to post this question
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> are trying to maintain it all original.  You'd have to find someone
> else to tell you how to get an old tube radio converted.

Starter is no problem. Swap out the generator for a 12 volt unit. Add a
dropping resistor for the points and change out the ignition coil. On
the dash gauges you can just grab a voltage reducer for the fuel, oil,
water temp gauges, amp gauge won't need anything. Radio can be fed
through a voltage reducer BUT get a large one if you still have a tube set.
Blower speed control, you will need to replace the resistor pack with a
newer unit.

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Dan_Thomas_nospam@yahoo.com - 25 Apr 2007 23:11 GMT
> >> What all would be involved in converting a 1954 Chevy Bel-Air from 6
> >> volt to 12 volts...If anyone knows a bteer group to post this question
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> - Show quoted text -

      The 6-volt blower motor will draw about 6 amps at 7 volts, or
around40 watts. If we need to reduce a 14-volt system (a 12-volt
system runs at 14) we need to get rid of 7 volts. E = I x R, so 7 =6 x
1.16 ohms. Anything from an ohm to an ohm and a half will do. You can
use a resistor array from an '80s Ford, lets say, and pick the
resistor (there are three of them) that comes closest, or parallel a
couple to get what you need.

            Dan
Scott Dorsey - 24 Apr 2007 15:05 GMT
>What all would be involved in converting a 1954 Chevy Bel-Air from 6
>volt to 12 volts...If anyone knows a bteer group to post this question
>in thanks for that info also

New starter
New alternator (and regulator).  If you have a generator, it is worth
retrofitting a modern alternator in for longer battery life.

New light bulbs throughout.

New radio.

What else is there that runs off the electrical system?  If you have
accessories like windshield wipers you will need to replace those motors as
well.  
--scott

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Ashton Crusher - 25 Apr 2007 05:55 GMT
>>What all would be involved in converting a 1954 Chevy Bel-Air from 6
>>volt to 12 volts...If anyone knows a bteer group to post this question
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>well.  
>--scott

After seeing all the stuff that's affected I think I would just add a
second 6 volt battery and run dual batteries.  And maybe redo all the
major feed wires with bigger wire for less voltage drop.
Nate Nagel - 25 Apr 2007 12:40 GMT
>>>What all would be involved in converting a 1954 Chevy Bel-Air from 6
>>>volt to 12 volts...If anyone knows a bteer group to post this question
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> second 6 volt battery and run dual batteries.  And maybe redo all the
> major feed wires with bigger wire for less voltage drop.

I've seen people "center-tap" the old style tar top batteries to get a
6V output for gauges etc...  certainly will void your battery's
warranty, but it works.

nate

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Scott Dorsey - 25 Apr 2007 16:02 GMT
>> After seeing all the stuff that's affected I think I would just add a
>> second 6 volt battery and run dual batteries.  And maybe redo all the
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>6V output for gauges etc...  certainly will void your battery's
>warranty, but it works.

You can also put two 6V batteries under the hood in series, then pull
the center tap off.  Of course, two 6V batteries will be a lot more money
than a single 12V one.

The other solution is to trade the car in for a VW bug.  Doing the 6->12V
conversion on the bug is easy, since there's hardly anything electrical
on it.  Also it's more fun to drive and gets better mileage.
--SCott
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Dan_Thomas_nospam@yahoo.com - 25 Apr 2007 23:12 GMT
> >What all would be involved in converting a 1954 Chevy Bel-Air from 6
> >volt to 12 volts...If anyone knows a bteer group to post this question
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> accessories like windshield wipers you will need to replace those motors as
> well.  

          Probably still vacuum.

      Dan
bobelon - 26 Apr 2007 01:04 GMT
> >What all would be involved in converting a 1954 Chevy Bel-Air from 6
> >volt to 12 volts...If anyone knows a bteer group to post this question
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> --
> "C'est un Nagra.  C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

Go buy an 8 volt battery, yes they are available, and adjust the
regulator to output about 9 volts by increasing the tension on the
field coil spring.  You will find that this will blow out some of the
bulbs in the car that are weak but the new ones will last well.  The
bonus is that the starter and the rest of the electrical system will
perform as if they were on Viagra.  No muss no fuss, no new starter,
generator et. al.
Bobby Ray
cuhulin@webtv.net - 26 Apr 2007 01:45 GMT
In 1972,I bought a 1950 six cylinder manual shift Ford car.I wanted
faster starting and brighter head lights.I went to an auto/truck/lawn
mower/MG batteries battery manufacturer that used to be not far from me
(the factory went out of business about seven years ago) and I bought an
8 volt battery.Then I went to an automotive electric shop near me.One of
the guys who works there,he got a pair of pliers and all he did was
tweak the regulator on my car.Not many years later,I sold the car.The
car was still running great when I got rid of it.Two more volts from 6
volts up to 8 volts sure did make a difference in that old car.
cuhulin
Dan_Thomas_nospam@yahoo.com - 26 Apr 2007 19:23 GMT
On Apr 25, 6:45 pm, cuhu...@webtv.net wrote:
> In 1972,I bought a 1950 six cylinder manual shift Ford car.I wanted
> faster starting and brighter head lights.I went to an auto/truck/lawn
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> volts up to 8 volts sure did make a difference in that old car.
> cuhulin  

              The problem with that 8-volt conversion is the
difficulty in getting 6-volt batteries and bulbs and so on. I'd
imagine that by now a 6-volt battery costs more than a 12-volt, and 6-
volt bulbs I have found way too hard to find.
             I've converted my 1948 International farmall Cub tractor
and my 1951 International pickup to 12-volt. The tractor's 6-volt
starter worked better than ever and I started that thing in cold
winters for ten years to plow snow without hurting the starter. The
alternator was off a newer auto with the regulator built in. The
lights went to 12 volt.
            The truck was a different animal. I replaced the blown-up
engine with a Ford 300, and changed the lights to 12 volt, did the
Ford heater-resistor thing for the blower motor, and built an
electronic regulator for the instruments using an LM317 regulator
chip. The chip is good for 1.5 amps if heat-sinked and the old fuel,
oil pressure and temp gauges draw a total of about half an amp at most
(I don't remember exactly, but the chip was plenty capable). The
wipers were vacuum-driven, but I'm thinking of installing an electric
wiper motor. The old 6-volt wiper motors could be run via a power
resistor just like the heater motor if the current is known at the
usual 7-volt supply. Divide 7 volts (the drop from 14) by the amperage
to get the required resistance.
 
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